Advice needed uncancelled/Expired Passport Lost

zzzindagi wrote:Hi Guys,

I need advice for my first British Passport Application.

There is section where we have to write current and previous/expired passport numbers.
I have two expired and one valid passport and also there is a space for 3 passports available in the form.

I have had another passport which i never used in my life. That was my first Pakistani Passport which was lost. It has been stamped as " Previous Passport Reported lost " on my 2nd passport. I have always considered my second passport as my first passport because i entered UK first time on my second Passport and consider my first passport irrelevant.

Now the problem is there is another Section where we have to write the details of any passport which has been lost or stolen.

Can someone please advice me what should i write? should i just write the details of my 2 previous and a current passport and ignore the one which was lost in my home country ages ago.?

Many Thanks

seagul wrote:I don't think that there is need to give detail of expired passport which is counted as cancelled unless it was lost. This section only asks about uncancelled passports means those passports which are still valid. Remember on renewing or getting new passport the previous passport gets cancelled immediately.

noajthan wrote:

seagul wrote:I don't think that there is need to give detail of expired passport which is counted as cancelled unless it was lost. This section only asks about uncancelled passports means those passports which are still valid. Remember on renewing or getting new passport the previous passport gets cancelled immediately.

There are a number of categories involved here: valid, expired, cancelled, lost, stolen, destroyed.

An expired passport is not necessarily cancelled
Cancellation is an intervention by the issuing authority.
If a passport simply times out and expires it is not automatically cancelled (as if by magic).

Equally, as a member found out to their cost recently, just punching holes in or cutting off a corner of a passport (by themselves) does not make a passport 'cancelled'.

If you notice the passport instructions say 'send all passports including unexpired passports (if not cancelled)' - or words to that effect.

seagul wrote:A person can only have one passport of a particular/relevant country at one time and when it expires/lost then the issuance of New passport cause cancellation to previous one. The reason of three boxes on the form means that a person can have another country nationality with passport. Again a person can only have one passport at one time and the previous one become invalid/cancellation on the issuance of New passport and usually previous passport gets stamp too indicating the issue of New passport. Does it give better understanding?

lemony wrote:Hi All,
I have just applied for the first British Passport and sent only the current foreign pp alongwith the application (via P.O check and send service). We have at least one expired passport per family member but those were not sent.
I had called up passport office today after reading this post and they told me that we dont need to send any such passports which we dont use at the moment. All expired and cancelled passports supposedly fall under this category.
I hope this helps.

seagul wrote:Thanks for confirming that you only sent the most recent passport but how about did you write down other expired passport number at section 3B??

noajthan wrote:

seagul wrote:Thanks for confirming that you only sent the most recent passport but how about did you write down other expired passport number at section 3B??

Not sure how someone in different circumstances (and who has not said they have successfully received their passports) can help answer your question which relates to some lost passport.

The form and guidance are very clear that, for all types of passport application (not just first-time naturalisation cases), all previous uncancelled passports are required.
Questions could be expected on this matter at the passport interview too.

Also note the HO & HMPO helplines are notoriously unreliable as many members have testified (& I have personal experience of); call 3 times get 4 different answers.

noajthan wrote:
Actually that is an over-simplification.
Someone can perfectly legitimately hold 2 passports from the same country at the same time.

For example, a business traveller who needs to visit countries that are in conflict or that are incompatible with each other;
e.g. Israel and Iran/Lebanon/Syria/Iraq; USA and Cuba etc etc.
These passports are likely to have different expiry dates and one or both may or may not be renewed (when the time comes).

Your statement also assumes all expired passports are immediately renewed by being replaced with a newer one. This is not necessarily true.

For example, if someone has a passport lying around in a drawer for over 5 or 10 years (depending on country of issue) it is going to expire.
It will not automatically be cancelled. So that passport is expired but not cancelled.
HMPO wants to see such a passport.

On the other hand, if you have an expired passport that has been renewed and the expired one has been cancelled (during the renewal process) then what you have is an old cancelled passport.
HMPO doesn't care about this one.

So there are reasons for the different states a passport can be in.
And the passport form has to be generic and capture all these possible scenarios (not just the way you manage your passports).

And HMPO, for their own purposes, wants to know about and scrutinise all such passports in all these states except for the cancelled ones.
- as per the HMPO instructions.

As reported recently, a member has even got into a catch-22 situation with HMPO by accidentally admitting they have a cancelled passport (even though they didn't need to mention it). If interested you can find and read the whole saga.

lemony wrote:Actually in my case i have passport for only 1 country, hence all our expired passports are the ones for which we have got renewals. Hence I believe, in our case these expired passports are also cancelled. I believe this is the reason for it being ok for us not to send the expired ones.

seagul wrote:Will it be ok that if someone has written previous 2 expired passports numbers at section 3B along with the recent one but actually sending the recent one? Should the expired ones written on form need to be deleted or left there as it won't affect??

zzzindagi wrote:TI can only provide my lost passport number. I want to know if that section where they are asking for the details of lost passport whether it is relevant in my case. I won't be able to provide any further details except passport number because it was lost 20 years ago and i don't remember anything. Just trying to avoid complications.

Many Thanks

seagul wrote:Will it be ok that if someone has written previous 2 expired passports numbers at section 3B along with the recent one but actually sending the recent one? Should the expired ones written on form need to be deleted or left there as it won't affect??

noajthan wrote:

zzzindagi wrote:Hi Guys,

I need advice for my first British Passport Application.

There is section where we have to write current and previous/expired passport numbers.
I have two expired and one valid passport and also there is a space for 3 passports available in the form.

I have had another passport which i never used in my life. That was my first Pakistani Passport which was lost. It has been stamped as " Previous Passport Reported lost " on my 2nd passport. I have always considered my second passport as my first passport because i entered UK first time on my second Passport and consider my first passport irrelevant.

Now the problem is there is another Section where we have to write the details of any passport which has been lost or stolen.

Can someone please advice me what should i write? should i just write the details of my 2 previous and a current passport and ignore the one which was lost in my home country ages ago.?

Many Thanks

There is a very clear question about lost passports. Its clearly of interest to HMPO.
Submit details of all those passports in the relevant sections of the form, including the lost one.

As its referenced in another passport then its obvious there was another passport in existence.
Add explanation in a cover note if necessary.

zzzindagi wrote: Hi Noajthan,

I went to Post Office today and the person who checked my application form rejected that saying i should not have put my lost passport details in the form. He said it is only for those who lost their British passports not foreign. He said HMPO will never accept my application as i have put the wrong details in the form.
He has asked me to write my Parents marriage date as well. My Parents are not alive and i don't know their marriage date.
Please suggest me what should i do?

Many Thanks