Child Registration Success (MN1) For Child Born in Uk

Post by **John** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:18 pm

aaanjoo, the difference is not so much whether the child personally has ILR, but where they were born. If child born in the UK :-

if born after one or both parents has their own ILR, then child automatically British from the moment of birth, but
if born prior to both parents getting their ILR, it is necessary to apply for registration as British using form MN!, but no ILR compulsory when making that application

Consider this list, in order, which could actually happen (although admittedly the timescale would usually tend to be a bit longer!) :-

child is born on Monday
on Tuesday one or both parents get their ILR[(at a PEO)
on Wednesday the birth is registered, so a birth certificate is issued
on Thursday the form MN1 is posted!

The point is this. The child does not have a visa, or indeed a passport, but nevertheless an application for Registration as British can still be made.

f2k · Post by **f2k** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:22 pm

yhdyhd wrote:I want to ask how did you pay to HO as there is no payment section in the application form.

the payment section is found on the 'fees section' on the citizenship section of the UKBA website.

I paid by cheque by the way

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... from060409

f2k · Post by **f2k** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:25 pm

John wrote:aaanjoo, the difference is not so much whether the child personally has ILR, but where they were born. If child born in the UK :-

if born after one or both parents has their own ILR, then child automatically British from the moment of birth, but
if born prior to both parents getting their ILR, it is necessary to apply for registration as British using form MN!, but no ILR compulsory when making that application
Consider this list, in order, which could actually happen (although admittedly the timescale would usually tend to be a bit longer!) :-

child is born on Monday
on Tuesday one or both parents get their ILR[(at a PEO)
on Wednesday the birth is registered, so a birth certificate is issued
on Thursday the form MN1 is posted!
The point is this. The child does not have a visa, or indeed a passport, but nevertheless an application for Registration as British can still be made.

Just to confirm what John has said, my child did not have ILR also had no passport. Registration certificate was received after 2 weeks

1273 · Post by **1273** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:54 pm

Can someone clarify the following poinst/questions?

1. Does a child (born outside the UK 6 years old automatically gets ILR when the parents gets it, irrespective the child has been in the UK for a minimum of 2 years?

2. When the parent with ILR is making an application for Naturalisation can he include the child of 6 years on the applicaiton so that the child (who was born outside the UK) can be registered?

Post by **John** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:40 pm

Using your numbering :-

that would depend upon why the parent is getting ILR. For example, is the parent making a 10-year Long Residence application, in which case the answer is "no", or have they got a spouse visa, or HSMP or WP, in which case, "yes", if the child already has a UK time-limited visa, and is entered on to the parent's visa application form.
Yes, if the child has a ILR visa.

1273 · Post by **1273** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:04 pm

John wrote:Using your numbering :-

that would depend upon why the parent is getting ILR. For example, is the parent making a 10-year Long Residence application, in which case the answer is "no", or have they got a spouse visa, or HSMP or WP, in which case, "yes", if the child already has a UK time-limited visa, and is entered on to the parent's visa application form.

Yes, if the child has a ILR visa.

Sorry >> Parent on WP and recieved ILR : Just to clarify

1. Child of 6 years (dependant) residing in the UK with parents will get automatically get ILR with parent on Work Permit?

2. Parent on WP recieved ILR and now wishes to apply for Naturalisation, can the dependant child be included on application for registration?

Post by **John** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:59 pm

Again, using your numbering :-

I think you are saying that the WP-holding parent has not yet applied for their ILR, and you wonder whether, when they do so, can the 6yo child be included on the application form? Yes!
When the parent, having had their ILR for at least one year, uses form AN to apply for Naturalisation, a form MN1 can be submitted at the same time to Register the child as British. (but see below)

As regards Citizenship applications, a Bill is currently being discussed in Parliament, which will have the effect of changing the law on Citizenship. So it is totally possible that the comment at 2 above, whilst it is correct now, might not be correct in the future.

RAJ2007 · Post by **RAJ2007** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:38 am

aaanjoo,

yes there is diff.

1. If the child is not born here and gets ILR when parents get it, then they will go for naturalisation as usual (like in your case).

2. If the child is born in UK after their parents got ILR, then that child do not need to apply for MN1, then he can apply for British PP directly.

3. If the child is born before parents got ILR, then he needs to apply for MN1 and then apply for British PP.

stella66 · Post by **stella66** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:50 pm

stella66 wrote:I have just applied for registration for my two daughters aged 8 and 11. They were born outside the UK, and have ILR. The timeline is as follows:

Date of posting: 26 June 2009
Card debited: 30 June 2009
Acknowledgement received: 4 July 2009 (dated 1 July 2009)
Date of approval: waiting

Upadating the timeline:

Date of recipt of approval: 14 July 2009

ravon · Post by **ravon** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:25 pm

A child born in the UK to parents one or both of whom are
â€¢ British citizens, or
â€¢ are settled in the UK at the time the child is born
is automatically a British citizen otherwise than by descent and does not need to be registered.

RAJ2007 · Post by **RAJ2007** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:24 pm

ravon,

provided the child was born after one of the parent got ILR, otherwise the child need to get registered.

f2k · Post by **f2k** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:41 pm

RAJ2007 wrote:f2k,

Please keep me udated with the timeline for your child's passport.

xxxxxx

Received childs passport back last week. Took exactly 2weeks from the date I submitted application.

Used post office Check and Send. Its worth the extra Â£6 (actually you would be paying for special delivery anyway so difference in price is actually minimal). Thing to remember is that both form and one of childs photos need to countersigned by a British Passport holding 'professiona'. Original birth certicate and registration certificate sent as supporting docs, these are returned seperate from the passport

RAJ2007 · Post by **RAJ2007** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:17 am

f2k,

Thanks for the info. You mentioned that countersignatory has to be a professional . As far as i understood that he /she needs to be a british citizen and does not have to be a professional. I know it applies to MN1. Does it really apply while applying for the PP.

f2k · Post by **f2k** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:03 pm

i havent got the form or guidance notes with me so i cant give you the exact wording. When you next pass through the post office get a copy of the form and have a look

Korben Dallas · Post by **Korben Dallas** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:06 pm

John wrote:aaanjoo, the difference is not so much whether the child personally has ILR, but where they were born. If child born in the UK :-

if born after one or both parents has their own ILR, then child automatically British from the moment of birth, but
if born prior to both parents getting their ILR, it is necessary to apply for registration as British using form MN!, but no ILR compulsory when making that application
Consider this list, in order, which could actually happen (although admittedly the timescale would usually tend to be a bit longer!) :-

child is born on Monday
on Tuesday one or both parents get their ILR[(at a PEO)
on Wednesday the birth is registered, so a birth certificate is issued
on Thursday the form MN1 is posted!
The point is this. The child does not have a visa, or indeed a passport, but nevertheless an application for Registration as British can still be made.

John,

a quick question if I may. I am applying for settlement next week (PEO) and had our first one born a month ago.

Q1 : Should I or should I not mention anything about our newborn on SET(0)? I take it I shouldn't as I won't be including her as dependant?

Pls advise.

Post by **John** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:36 pm

Korben Dallas, on what basis are you applying for your ILR? 10-year Long Residence application, or what?

Korben Dallas · Post by **Korben Dallas** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:42 pm

John wrote:Korben Dallas, on what basis are you applying for your ILR? 10-year Long Residence application, or what?

Sorry, it is HSMP JR2009.

Post by **John** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:19 pm

You are no doubt including your spouse on the form SET(O), so any reason why you are not going to include your newly-born child?

Actually another thought! As you are applying for ILR on the basis of HSMP JR2009, the date of issue of your ILR could well be back-dated, and possibly back-dated to a date before the birth of your child!

If such back-dating does happen, the conclusion is that (retrospectively) your child will have been British since the moment of birth. In which case, following the issue of such back-dated ILR, you would just apply for a British passport for your child ... no need to register using form MN1.

Actually, when did you come to the UK on HSMP? That is, when does your HSMP 4-year period start?

Other thoughts on this very welcome.

old_hsmp · Post by **old_hsmp** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:47 pm

John wrote:You are no doubt including your spouse on the form SET(O), so any reason why you are not going to include your newly-born child?

Actually another thought! As you are applying for ILR on the basis of HSMP JR2009, the date of issue of your ILR could well be back-dated, and possibly back-dated to a date before the birth of your child!

If such back-dating does happen, the conclusion is that (retrospectively) your child will have been British since the moment of birth. In which case, following the issue of such back-dated ILR, you would just apply for a British passport for your child ... no need to register using form MN1.

Actually, when did you come to the UK on HSMP? That is, when does your HSMP 4-year period start?

Other thoughts on this very welcome.

I also thought to do the same but after speaking to HO they advised me to apply because the passport office can ask for the proof of confirmation of nationality which will cost you Â£75 and delay the application process.

I applied for ILR under JR on the same date when I entered the UK 5 years ago. I had the letter stating that my ILR is backdated to the same date last year and my son was 6 months old at that time.

Post by **John** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:36 pm

old_hsmp, so have you actually applied for a British passport for your child? If so, the outcome?

If your ILR was backdated as you say, retrospectively your child was born after the date of your ILR, and thus your child is British!

I also thought to do the same but after speaking to HO they advised me to apply .....

Sorry, it is not clear, apply for what?

Korben Dallas · Post by **Korben Dallas** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:02 am

John wrote:You are no doubt including your spouse on the form SET(O), so any reason why you are not going to include your newly-born child?

I am including my wife but was thinking if I have to include our baby as my understanding is after getting settlement done we can apply for her (baby) citizenship straight away rather than paying for her ILR and then literally next day going MN1 (which does not require ILR.) Am I right or am I delusional about the whole thing? thank you

PS: I am at the end of my 4th year. I entered UK in Aug 2005.

old_hsmp · Post by **old_hsmp** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:17 am

John wrote:old_hsmp, so have you actually applied for a British passport for your child? If so, the outcome?

If your ILR was backdated as you say, retrospectively your child was born after the date of your ILR, and thus your child is British!

I also thought to do the same but after speaking to HO they advised me to apply .....
Sorry, it is not clear, apply for what?

John, I applied for ILR on 24th May under ILR JR and got the letter with the back dated ILR (24th June 2008) for me and both of my children. One of them was born after 24th June 2008.
I told that to the person at NCS while booking appointment. The guy contacted the HO and told me that they want me to apply for him anyway. The reason they gave was if I don't register my child, it may delay his passport application. I did so and got the approval letters for all three of us within month.

Korben Dallas · Post by **Korben Dallas** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:31 am

old_hsmp wrote:
The reason they gave was if I don't register my child, it may delay his passport application. I did so and got the approval letters for all three of us within month.

I see your situation is a little different to mine but I guess to stay on the safe side I will do ILR for my little one too to avoid possible "delays" in future.

Korben Dallas · Post by **Korben Dallas** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:11 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
old_hsmp wrote:
The reason they gave was if I don't register my child, it may delay his passport application. I did so and got the approval letters for all three of us within month.
I see your situation is a little different to mine but I guess to stay on the safe side I will do ILR for my little one too to avoid possible "delays" in future.

Just phoned HO and was confirmed that I don't have to add my child as dependant and provided MN1 does NOT require ILR (which I believe so) I can apply straight for baby's British Citizenship after I get my settlement done. Super.

old_hsmp · Post by **old_hsmp** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:20 pm

Korben Dallas wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
old_hsmp wrote:
The reason they gave was if I don't register my child, it may delay his passport application. I did so and got the approval letters for all three of us within month.
I see your situation is a little different to mine but I guess to stay on the safe side I will do ILR for my little one too to avoid possible "delays" in future.
Just phoned HO and was confirmed that I don't have to add my child as dependant and provided MN1 does NOT require ILR (which I believe so) I can apply straight for baby's British Citizenship after I get my settlement done. Super.

That is good news. It will save you some money. The time when I applied for my ILR, the ILR JR changes were new and HO helpline was unable to advise on any JR issues.

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