NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

AksJohn wrote:Hi All,

I am trying to understand whether degree certificate and printout from Points Based Calculator are enough for proving knowledge of English language for Naturalisation application.

Having read through this thread entirely I understand there is mixed feedback. Some say that printout is enough while some others say they have been asked for UK NARIC assessments.

Just a few weeks ago while checking PBC, my degree was being awarded 30 points. However now it only shows 0 points. I have checked with few other degrees as well, like my husband's, and one of the images posted on this thread and they all come back with 0 points now. This makes think probably this is why just printout of PBC isn't enough anymore. We would have to get UK NARIC assessments done.

Any thoughts?

Also, can someone please advise what service I need from UK NARIC? Is it Statement of Comparability or English Language Assessment or Both?

Many thanks in advance.

-- Aks

I have figured out why PBS calculator sometimes shows me 30 points for my degree and sometimes shows 0 points.

On 31 March 2009 there were changes to Tier 1 (General) so that no points would be awarded for a Bachelor’s degree. However from 6 April 2010 this change were reversed and 30 points were awarded for a Bachelor’s degree.

My husband’s first application was in Nov 2008. Hence he receives 30 points for his Bachelor’s degree. I applied on a dependant basis in Aug 2009. If I use the date of my husband’s application for the PBS Calculator I get 30 points for my Bachelor’s degree and 10 points for English. However if I use the start date on my Tier-1 visa I get 0 points.

I am not sure if PBS calculator printout (using my husband’s date) will be accepted in my case. I will write to UKVI and reply to this post if I find out.

An extract from an email with UKVI:

If you have a qualification that was taught or researched in English you can meet the language part of the requirement if:
- Your qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK, or
- Your qualification was taught or researched in an English speaking country other than Canada (see list below).

You will need to send your certificate as evidence of your qualification.

UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded 20 points or more for your degree, and an additional ten points for English language, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement. (See Q7 and Q8 below also)

Alternatively, you can obtain confirmation from UK NARIC that your qualification was taught or researched in English by requesting an English Language Assessment (ELA). (UK NARIC will only issue an ELA for a degree that is comparable to a UK degree, so it will not be necessary to also request a Statement of Comparability).

Hi Aks,

Would it be possible to forward the UKVI email?

The NCS service in Cambridge have asked for a NARIC certificate but are willing to consider communication with HO confirming that PBS recognized degree is deemed acceptable. I thought (https://www.gov.uk/english-language) is sufficient proof but I could be wrong.

My query with UKVI so far hasn't proved useful. I got a boiler plate reply, to the extent that it almost seems automated. If I can take the reply you obtained, that might prove good enough for them.

Can you forward the reply you got to quancern at gmail com?

I am sorry, I cannot forward the original email. However I have attached it as an image with this post after taking out my personal details. Click on the two images to open them up fully. You can save the images to your computer and print them.

You can show NCS the printout of Guide AN Page 13 - 14 as well.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... N_v1_0.pdf

Hope this helps.

-- Aks

Thank you. This is very helpful.

Its no more the case

http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1060727

NARIC is mandatory if u dont have UK Degree or B1 CEFR

Apologies I cant see where it says NARIC being mandatory.. On page 13 it says

"Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by the
Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in English
at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification; OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show us
that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK degree)14
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English speaking
country
• (For applicants outside the United Kingdom) evidence as directed by the office of
the Lieutenant-Governor, the office of the Governor, the British Embassy, the
British High Commission or the British Consulate.
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October 2013,
in order to obtain settlement."
I am sure having one of the above should be sufficient, I know at least 3 of my friends who have got BC based on the PBS calculator.. so when did it become mandatory.. It is nice to have a peaceful sleep with NARIC by your side.. but mandatory I doubt..

vivdubes wrote:Apologies I cant see where it says NARIC being mandatory.. On page 13 it says

"Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by the
Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in English
at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification; OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show us
that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK degree)14
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English speaking
country
• (For applicants outside the United Kingdom) evidence as directed by the office of
the Lieutenant-Governor, the office of the Governor, the British Embassy, the
British High Commission or the British Consulate.
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October 2013,
in order to obtain settlement."
I am sure having one of the above should be sufficient, I know at least 3 of my friends who have got BC based on the PBS calculator.. so when did it become mandatory.. It is nice to have a peaceful sleep with NARIC by your side.. but mandatory I doubt..

can you give me the link of where u got this form please?

I just picked it up from your link..here you go..
british-citizenship/eng-lang-requiremen ... l#p1060727

nm wrote:

go2khurram wrote:

nm wrote:Hi,

I have given a try using the PBS calculator and got 10 points for my english language and 35 points for my qualification. I have selected the option as below.

In this section, you must score ten points for your English language skills at the time of application or your application will be refused.


I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application
I do not want to claim points for English language skills (your application will be refused, unless your assessment refers to a settlement application - see Help below)

I have selected the option ' I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application ' for the PBS calculator.

Could some one clarify if i can use this PBS printout to proof my English language along with my original degree certificate ?

Yes PBS printout showing the points along with original degree certificate are acceptable as evidence

Hi,

I have called up the NCS Halton to book an appointment and they have ask me to get the UK NARIC certificate. I have tried to explain her that NARIC not required if the PBS recogonize my degree and provide points for my english and also i was a Tier1 General previosuly . However she has asked me to get the NARIC and she will not process my application if i dont get the NARIC.

Any one had such experience ?[/quote]

please update your situation. i am about to apply the same visa and also have the same way to claim the knowledge of english points. thanks

IndiMarshall wrote:Its no more the case

http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1060727

NARIC is mandatory if u dont have UK Degree or B1 CEFR

HI,

My degree was taught in English and from one of the UK university. The qualification can be found in PBS calculator. In this case, may i assume that with the original master degree certificate and the printed PBS be sufficient to proof knowledge of language or i still need other documents?

thanks

Hello,

Any idea how to get a letter from Mumbai University saying the degree subjects were solely taught in English? Can anyone else apply on by behalf for this letter?

Many Thanks,
SNair

I have just received the approval for naturalization for my wife. We only submitted the PBS print out(30 points + 10 points) and the original degree certificate(India). As far as we are concerned there is NO need for ELA from NARIC as the AN guide clearly states print out is sufficient to prove English language requirement. Hope this helps

bsa80 wrote:I have just received the approval for naturalization for my wife. We only submitted the PBS print out(30 points + 10 points) and the original degree certificate(India). As far as we are concerned there is NO need for ELA from NARIC as the AN guide clearly states print out is sufficient to prove English language requirement. Hope this helps

Hi bsa80,

Can you please let us know which option you selected from points calculator for English Language Requirement? There are currently 5 options as shown below.

How would you like to claim points for English language skills?

1) I am a national from a majority English speaking country
2) I have a qualification comparable to a UK Bachelor degree that was taught in English
3) I have passed an approved English language test
4) I have already proven my English language skills in a previous Tier 1 or HSMP application
5) I do not want to claim points for English language skills (your application will be refused, unless your assessment refers to a settlement application - see Help below)

Hi ather12,

I selected

2) I have a qualification comparable to a UK Bachelor degree that was taught in English

bsa80 wrote:Hi ather12,

I selected

2) I have a qualification comparable to a UK Bachelor degree that was taught in English

Thanks bsa80.

I try to use option 2 and its coming as (30 +0). zero is for English language.

Does this means that I have to get UK NARIC ELA letter?

Also what documents I need to provide as evidence.

Kind Regards

Hello,
I got a question on PBS.

My wife has a degree certificate, however no letter from university stating it was taught in English. Since it is recognised university, I am thinking of getting a PBS print out.

What option to select in Tier for spouse? Citizenship is not an option in the drop down. Do I just select any of them?

Thanks!

Hi,

Could you please let me know asap the link, what options to be selected for taking the PBS Print out please?

Thanking You.

Hi All,

I've got a master degree taught in english and have used it to get my Tier 2, extend it twice and apply for the ILR. But now it seems that one of the requirements of the citizenship application is to provide further evidence that that SAME degree is legit for claiming English language points!! Preposterous!!!

Anyways, here's the gov.uk link (https://www.gov.uk/english-language/degrees-in-english) that refers to the 'printout' from the PBS being a 'legitimate proof' of that qualification.

Is it just me or can nobody access the PBS Calculator from this link anymore?: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/pointscalculator

Let me know if someone tries this out.

Cheerio..!

aspirantmigrant wrote:Hi All,

I've got a master degree taught in english and have used it to get my Tier 2, extend it twice and apply for the ILR. But now it seems that one of the requirements of the citizenship application is to provide further evidence that that SAME degree is legit for claiming English language points!! Preposterous!!!

Anyways, here's the gov.uk link (https://www.gov.uk/english-language/degrees-in-english) that refers to the 'printout' from the PBS being a 'legitimate proof' of that qualification.

Is it just me or can nobody access the PBS Calculator from this link anymore?: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/pointscalculator

Let me know if someone tries this out.

Cheerio..!

I had no problem opening that link.

Hi Gurus

Need your acute help...

I am applying for British Citizenship and Council has asked me to get a print of Point Base Calculator which I cant get into working....

I have the link but its not showing Tier 1 General option.. where initially i applied with for my Bachelor Degree certificate.

Can some1 please send me the right link i am using the link from the forum but no luck..

https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gu ... ment.faces

Please help.....


Edit: After speaking to Council and explaining that the category I was under has been taken off by the Home Office i.e Tier 1 General .. They said they will get back to me and let me know how to obtain via PBS.

Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting


Response to a PM posted here instead for the benefit of all:

Educate your council's NCS team that the KOLL caseworker guidance explains to the caseworkers that Tier 2 should be selected when checking for "any" applicant's degree in the PBS calculator for English language requirements. So the NCS representative cannot expect you to provide a PBS printout that shows that you have selected Tier 1 (General) - something that doesn't exist in the list anymore. If they do not agree, best that you apply using another council's NCS and avoid the incompetency of the council's NCS members who can't even figure that out despite being (at least) OISC level 1 trained.


Apply some common sense:
1. Whether a degree meets the requirement or not is not dependant on the what category of Tier you choose from the list ... but is dependant on the degree itself! If a Tier 2 migrant fulfills the requirement by virtue of "qualification A from institution B with course length C and year of qualification D", then every migrant irrespective of his / her previous immigration category (PBS or non-PBS, principal or dependant) fulfills the requirement by virtue of having the "same" qualification.

2. Guide AN says that original certificate + printout of PBS showing 10 points is sufficient. Guide AN does not suggest or state that this "condition" is only applicable to PBS migrants or specifically only those PBS migrants belonging to categories mentioned in the drop down list! A spouse of a British citizen, a long residence ILR holder, a refugee ... everyone ..... can use the PBS calculator to check and provide evidence of fulfilling English language requirement by virtue of their degree taught or researched in English - irrespective of whether "their" immigration category is listed in the PBS calculator or not!!!!!!