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Antsmall wrote:I've just heard from someone who is approaching, or has even possibly reached by now, the six-month mark since their application. They say that they've now received a letter from the Home Office recognising that their application was approaching the 'target' resolution date of six months, and stating that the person's case will probably be resolved by the 25th of December (hmm).
So at least once cases reach the six-month mark, or are about to do so, the Home Office may give signs of life. (We have only one example so far, but it's better than nothing). Also, the six-month mark does appear to have some significance for them: they imply that we have some vague right to expect that the case should have been resolved by then. In this panorama of almost uniform bleakness it is encouraging that they are communicating with someone if even in such a slow and unclear manner.
The letter also referred to some 'outstanding policy issues' that have to be sorted out in order for the case to be finalised, but was no clearer than that. Neither I nor the recipient of the letter have any clue what they could possibly mean. These mysterious 'issues' may be the reasons for all the delays we're seeing. After all, I know of only one person who got citizenship this way, and that may have been before these 'policy issues' came to light.
I wonder if some of the other earlier applicants will begin to receive similar letters in the near future.
This is a UKF Form related topic. Please, forward your message to the correct topic. Thanks.yktamimi wrote:Dear All
I just have a quick question about the proper supporting documents that should go along with the NS application form. according to the Home Office stuff (When I had a telephone coversation with him) he requested a Passport, but in some other forums they mentioned that I have to obtain an indexed record of naturalization certificate from the national archives, and get it sent over to the home office. This is necessary because the home office does not retain any records for certificates issued before 1986.
Could I have any input here.
Antsmall wrote:The other person was applying from Australia. The only document they've issued
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... ule_v2.pdf
about the schedule of opening the biometric schedule (unless there's another one that I haven't found) gives Australia as one of the countries in category 3 (May 2015). Obviously they haven't obeyed their own schedule because the USA was in category 4 ('rest of the world', July 2015) and there hasn't been a peep about the biometric infrastructure there to date, but Australia was supposed to be sorted out earlier. Of course it could be that they still haven't opened the biometric thingies in Australia either, since the fact that they declare a date obviously doesn't mean much.
So basically we have no idea if it's the biometric thing or not.
I hate how they express it: "a decision on your application" and "policy issues which may affect your case" as if somehow the person's eligibility for citizenship were being questioned rather than it merely being a matter of them having to sort out some bureaucracy or infrastructure. They could have been kinder. They also could have refrained from ruining people's Christmas.
I'm sorry bfrenchfry that you have to go through this nonsense after waiting so long. I guess this is their modus operandi now and many of us will probably receive a similar letter soon enough. And this business of not returning your passport, preventing you from working, is truly disgraceful. Well the whole business is. They had more than a year between approval of the law in March 2014 and commencement in April 2015 and they still can't sort themselves out. Their incompetence is becoming disrespectful to us.
By the way, another example of the extreme negligence of such officials is the passport office's failure to address a Freedom of Information request I made on the 15th of April even though by law they should have responded long ago. It seems that negligence and unnecessary delays are rife in British bureaucracy.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... oose_h/new
mikeg333 wrote:bfrenchfry I would still have hope as I received the same exact letter saying an outstanding policy issue and mine would be decided on December 24th. Two weeks after I got that letter I got my approval. I don't think they are requiring biometrics from US applicants until they have set it up.
As far as getting your passport back I tried that online form never got a reply. I emailed the FurtherNationality address that I had urgent travel as I was flying internationally and they had someone contact me within a few days to arrange the return of my passport.
That's so good to know! I'm going to not get my hopes up as I've just been feeling cursed through this whole experience, but it would really be a nice early Christmas present to finally be approved.mikeg333 wrote:bfrenchfry I would still have hope as I received the same exact letter saying an outstanding policy issue and mine would be decided on December 24th. Two weeks after I got that letter I got my approval. I don't think they are requiring biometrics from US applicants until they have set it up.
As far as getting your passport back I tried that online form never got a reply. I emailed the FurtherNationality address that I had urgent travel as I was flying internationally and they had someone contact me within a few days to arrange the return of my passport.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. Mine was dated exactly 5 months from my application date, so it might just be their idea of protecting themselves...Antsmall wrote: Perhaps it's just a form letter that they send whenever the application approaches the six-month mark. Who knows.
I thought about just applying for a passport originally, but that doesn't make you a citizen does it? I've heard horror stories of trying to get housing in London without being a citizen. Apparently the fines are so steep for letting a flat to an illegal that no one will even think of it. Also, the passport application pages haven't been updated yet and all still claim you need to send your parents marriage certificates if your father was the English one. I can't imagine many of the passport people are going to be familiar with UKF type applications either. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the letter was automatically issued at 5 months, and since I applied in April don't need to do biometrics, and my approval will be in the mail shortly....Cloverbea wrote:SO.....I had a thought today....
after speaking with immigration ....again.....
what if....the reason there aren't many UKM/UKF form folks here or in the world because they also called the Passport advice line and were told they were eligible for a passport, they applied and got it and that was the end of it....
We were told to call immigration, after calling another immigration line, only to be told to call the other immigration line.....oh my word. And of course they won't say a word to you if you are under the six month mark....The immigration officers I spoke to didn't understand why I hadn't paid an application fee, but when I told them it was a ceremony fee they told me my application MUST be in process since I paid the APPLICATION fee.....?!?! None of them communicate whatsoever, so hubby is thinking to get his paperwork back and apply for his passport :/ This is nuckin' futs.....
I received all of these type of letters as well. I think their right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I've already received my approval letter yet still getting email responses about waits from emails I sent 6 weeks ago! So, that shows you that those letters are auto generated.bfrenchfry wrote:Well I have another update, though still not a good one sadly. I just got my passport back in the mail along with a letter saying "once work begins on your application we may need to request them again but please do not send them until we write to you requesting them".
They also enclosed one letter that is the acknowledgement of reciept which I had never received before today.
Then the third letter enclosed first calls my application UKM which is wrong, it's UKF. It says "from April 6 2015, applicants for British citizenship must enrol their biometric identifiers as part of the application process." Then blah blah "unfortunately it has taken longer than we expected to put in place the necessary technical infrastructure and this has meant that we have been unable to schedule biometric enrollments". Then in bold it says "we now expect this to be resolved by October 2015, when we will be able to invite you to arrange your enrollment visits. We will contact you again in October to explain what you need to do next."
So there is only 1.5 weeks left of October. Wonder when they think they're contacting me to enrol. I'm still holding out hope that like mikegg I don't have to actually do it since I applied before the roll out in May. All their letters are such stock nonsense and no one ever knows what they're talking about. All I can do is pray...