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Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never married

Post by Avichai148 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:18 am

Hello all
found myself in a weird situation.
I Was born in 1989 to a british father but my parents have never been married
Though that, i got my first ul passport at the age of 6.
**Important to add - i am considered as a legitimate childto my parents(therefore my father is on my birth certificate)
Until today i did not use my british passport and it was expired more than 10 years ago.
Whe. I tried to appley for a renewal, i got a replay on mail from the passport office asking for:
1-father british birth certificate- ordered it on mail from the registration office since my father has passed away And i dont hold one
2-mother birth certificate from morocco- she does not hold one(i think she never had one- born in 48).
3- my birth certificate - have it and my father's name appears in it.
4- parents marriage certificate - my parents. Were never "officially" married

What should i do?
Is there a chance i lose my rights because of the law("born before 2006 to a british father but parents are not married)?
After all, iv'e been granted a passport before, so it seems just insane to take away my citizenship.
Hope that someone can help me through that


Thanks ahead

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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:39 am

Unfortunately, 50(9(A)(c)) was not in force until 01 July 2006. So, you cannot claim automatic British citizenship via your father.

However, they may construe your British passport application as an undetermined application for registration (6.3.9), by entitlement or discretion.

Moreover, you may also benefit from Section 65 if/when it comes into force.
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Post by Avichai148 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:53 am

Thanks for the replay vinny,
My big question is, how is it possible to revoke my citizenship after made, without me Breaking the law?
I have registered as a british citizen as a minor and been approved so its a weird situation.
In fact, my brother had no problems with his renewal at the time(born also before 06) so...

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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:01 am

Unfortunately, a British passport does not confer citizenship.

Under what provisions did you register as a British citizen as a minor?

If you did register, then you are British. Parents' non-marriage will be irrelevant.

You may use your registration certificate, when applying for a British passport.
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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by Avichai148 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:19 am

At the time(i was very young) my mother had a document from court saying that my father is the legit father.
Also in my Old british passport it was written
"British citizen"
In that case you say They have to renew it?

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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:13 am

vinny wrote:Unfortunately, a British passport does not confer citizenship.
I am uncertain if the court document satisfies the requirements of the 1981 British Nationality Act.
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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:14 am

Avichai148 wrote:I have registered as a british citizen as a minor and been approved so its a weird situation.
Can you explain more?
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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by Avichai148 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:29 am

my father is known in court as my legit father(written in my birth certificate)
at the time that my mother filed the application for my citizenship' it has been approved in london for that reason, and i got my passport(in the passport my status was - "British citizen")
since the passport expired more than 10 years ago, i think that they are treating it like a new application.

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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:35 am

Avichai148 wrote: at the time that my mother filed the application for my citizenship' it has been approved in london for that reason,
What was the application for citizenship?

Do you have your Registration certificate?
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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by Avichai148 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:42 am

unfortunately i don't.
it was through the british console at that time (20 years ago i think).
and my mother can't recall about a paper regarding that.
this console has been closed since then and all records are gone :?

isn't the old passport i provided is enough to approve ?

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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:46 am

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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by Avichai148 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:51 am

oh well,
i will continue to try and update according the results that come up

again, thanks alot ! :!: :!: :!:

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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:22 pm

Just remembered. If you were registered for British citizenship, then try to Get a replacement UK citizenship certificate.
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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by vinny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:20 pm

Avichai148 wrote:unfortunately i don't.
it was through the british console at that time (20 years ago i think).
and my mother can't recall about a paper regarding that.
this console has been closed since then and all records are gone :?
Can you find out the type of application your mother had made for you?

A successful British passport application does not confer citizenship.

People who are already automatically British may make a non-compulsory consular birth registration.

This is different from Registering to become a British citizen.
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Re: Trouble getting first adult passport-parents never marri

Post by Avichai148 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:48 pm

vinny wrote:
Avichai148 wrote:unfortunately i don't.
it was through the british console at that time (20 years ago i think).
and my mother can't recall about a paper regarding that.
this console has been closed since then and all records are gone :?
Can you find out the type of application your mother had made for you?

A successful British passport application does not convey citizenship.

People who are already automatically British may make a non-compulsory consular birth registration.
No clue about the application, and so does my mother(long time ago)
I understand that the passport itself does not convey citizenship, but if so- how it was written on the passport that my status is "british citizen"?
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 14__2_.pdf
Section 65 seems like the solution to this problem

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