UKBA reply over Naturalization employment history

DAC000 wrote:

jasonyu1983 wrote:I still can't get my head around the point of self-declaration of the employment. HO should contact HMRC themselves.

I'd bet that by having applicants state employment history Home Office can then ask about periods of unemployment. This would lead to queries about how did an applicant support themselves during gaps. Seems as through if they can raise legitimate questions about periods of cash employment good character could be questioned.

I would disagree here - any periods of gaps in employment could have been supported by family funding AND applicant is not supposed to keep evidence of that funding for 10 years. I believe they are carrying random checks on applicants and match what applicant had declared at different stages of his/her route to ILR. If considerable discrepancies are found in what applicant declared in AN form compared to records with HMRC & applicant history maintained by UKVI, HO would use that as excuse to raise questions based on good character.

How about if a person doing 2 zero hour part time jobs then should the both need to write or one. If two jobs then where the 2nd job should write??

I will humbly request the members that don't open multiple new threads about naturalization employment history because why not we all share our experiences, thoughts, solutions about this dilemma in an organized manner under one thread to know it in fullest level while using very gentle and friendly (non-controversial) language. We can make base that thread for this purpose.

Hello,

Can a senior member / Gurus help me out in filling Application form for Naturalisation.

As I am using May 2015 version form there is a section for Employment history of previous 10 years.

I dont have the exact information of dates, so i had contacted HMRC and they were able to provide me details for the past 6 years and they said that they dont keep records before that.

What should i do now as i remember the Employers where i had worked but not the dates and years and also during my Student period i had worked various number of places (temporary jobs for a week or month...) which i do not remember everything that i had worked 9 years ago.

Can some one please help me out in this matter as i had to get Naturalisation done inorder to continue in my job.

Many Thanks in advance.

Regards

Firstly thanks for opening this thread up,...

Naresh --- I think you can try bank account Statements (online)..Just give them month and year..in the extra information write to them that this what I can remember...

Questions is if HMRC doesn't have information for period before 6 years, whom are they going to cross check the accuracy beyond 6 years...????

Hmrc retrieval centre has record from 1948:
http://robertleach.co.uk/2013/08/reques ... from-hmrc/

cool mind wrote:How about if a person doing 2 zero hour part time jobs then should the both need to write or one. If two jobs then where the 2nd job should write??

Cool mind - did you get a response to your question, perhaps from elsewhere? If so, would you mind sharing? I suppose your question is about how best this can be represented on the form without appearing to be 'overworking'. E.g. a student who is only allowed to work 20 hours a week and is registered with multiple agencies. The student picks work from these various agencies depending on how the work comes, but ensures that he/she stays within the 20 hours a week limit. I suppose all agencies would have to be included under the period in question, making it seem like the student worked many hours???

ScopeD wrote:

cool mind wrote:How about if a person doing 2 zero hour part time jobs then should the both need to write or one. If two jobs then where the 2nd job should write??

Cool mind - did you get a response to your question, perhaps from elsewhere? If so, would you mind sharing? I suppose your question is about how best this can be represented on the form without appearing to be 'overworking'. E.g. a student who is only allowed to work 20 hours a week and is registered with multiple agencies. The student picks work from these various agencies depending on how the work comes, but ensures that he/she stays within the 20 hours a week limit. I suppose all agencies would have to be included under the period in question, making it seem like the student worked many hours???

Nope its not that mean. My mean that if presently someone doing two part time jobs but on the form the space is for one job then whether need to write one job or both??
About students then read universal soldiers comments who is 2000% right because its not to check number of hours. And students were allowed working especially when semester break, next semester waiting, writing thesis, course completion, summer vacation and much more when can work full time.

cool mind wrote:

ScopeD wrote:

cool mind wrote:How about if a person doing 2 zero hour part time jobs then should the both need to write or one. If two jobs then where the 2nd job should write??

Cool mind - did you get a response to your question, perhaps from elsewhere? If so, would you mind sharing? I suppose your question is about how best this can be represented on the form without appearing to be 'overworking'. E.g. a student who is only allowed to work 20 hours a week and is registered with multiple agencies. The student picks work from these various agencies depending on how the work comes, but ensures that he/she stays within the 20 hours a week limit. I suppose all agencies would have to be included under the period in question, making it seem like the student worked many hours???

Nope its not that mean. My mean that if presently someone doing two part time jobs but on the form the space is for one job then whether need to write one job or both??
About students then read universal soldiers comments who is 2000% right because its not to check number of hours. And students were allowed working especially when semester break, next semester waiting, writing thesis, course completion, summer vacation and much more when can work full time.

Thanks Cool Mind. I can't find Universal Soldier's comment about students working. Would you be able to provide me with a link?

ScopeD wrote:Nope its not that mean. My mean that if presently someone doing two part time jobs but on the form the space is for one job then whether need to write one job or both??
About students then read universal soldiers comments who is 2000% right because its not to check number of hours. And students were allowed working especially when semester break, next semester waiting, writing thesis, course completion, summer vacation and much more when can work full time.

Thanks Cool Mind. I can't find Universal Soldier's comment about students working. Would you be able to provide me with a link?

Don't worry Cool Mind. I found the comment. Thanks.

Hi

I think limited company directors are not considered as self employed. They will have to tick Director on the form. People like sole traders are self employed and need self assessment details from HMRC.

I couldn't find any document or guide where it says limited company directors have to provide HMRC tax record. Also, please can anyone confirm since when limited company directors will have to provide proof of NI contributions? What if a person no longer a limited company director but was at the time of Tier 1 extension only and got ILR on the basis of permanent employment?

Does this effect applications made before April 5?

Thanks.

Do I have to provide self employed details as well or only when I was employed

fn286 wrote:Hi

I think limited company directors are not considered as self employed. They will have to tick Director on the form. People like sole traders are self employed and need self assessment details from HMRC.

I couldn't find any document or guide where it says limited company directors have to provide HMRC tax record. Also, please can anyone confirm since when limited company directors will have to provide proof of NI contributions? What if a person no longer a limited company director but was at the time of Tier 1 extension only and got ILR on the basis of permanent employment?

Does this effect applications made before April 5?

Thanks.

See the link below for caseworkers instructions

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... utions.pdf

gaganjyot wrote:Do I have to provide self employed details as well or only when I was employed

this link doesnt work please share the correct link. Thanks.

Hi

This link of caseworker instructions is not working. Please share the correct link. thanks.

Bc4indian wrote:

fn286 wrote:Hi

I think limited company directors are not considered as self employed. They will have to tick Director on the form. People like sole traders are self employed and need self assessment details from HMRC.

I couldn't find any document or guide where it says limited company directors have to provide HMRC tax record. Also, please can anyone confirm since when limited company directors will have to provide proof of NI contributions? What if a person no longer a limited company director but was at the time of Tier 1 extension only and got ILR on the basis of permanent employment?

Does this effect applications made before April 5?

Thanks.

See the link below for caseworkers instructions

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... utions.pdf

Is this applicable for the applications made before 29th May.
The form I filled had no mention of 10 years of employment history.

fn286 wrote:

gaganjyot wrote:Do I have to provide self employed details as well or only when I was employed

this link doesnt work please share the correct link. Thanks.

Please see the full list here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... s-volume-2

Hi

The document states only below will require checks from HMRC:
- persons of independent means (POIMS); or
- sole representatives; or
- self-employed; or
- in business as sole traders; or
- in business as partners/directors in a company

Please note these are all self employed/business persons. I think sole representative is a person representing a foreign business in UK. I don't think HO will conducts HMRC checks for employed applicants. Also, what if someone is no longer a director but was during last 5-10 years?

Bc4indian wrote:

fn286 wrote:

gaganjyot wrote:Do I have to provide self employed details as well or only when I was employed

this link doesnt work please share the correct link. Thanks.

Please see the full list here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... s-volume-2

what if someone is no longer a director but was during last 5-10 years?

No Idea after the adding new 10 years history page in new form they might do that checks as well and this will add extra time to the processing I believe.

It doesn't matter that which version of form whether with new section of employment history or not. Because your nino even date of birth is enough to check or extract the past data if they need. I don't think they check everyone rather only check if some suspicious arise. For example self employed people who show more earning with outstanding taxes or fake trading activities.

Universal soldier wrote:It doesn't matter that which version of form whether with new section of employment history or not. Because your nino even date of birth is enough to check or extract the past data if they need. I don't think they check everyone rather only check if some suspicious arise. For example self employed people who show more earning with outstanding taxes or bad quality trading activities.

Hope this should be the case.

Universal soldier wrote:I don't know that whether is it suitable to attach employment history but again repeating what I guess that they don't care where you work. They try to locate your weak immigration history in past and then ask as how you support yourself during that period and if you have no right of work then under good character they will refuse. Maybe they preferring that applicant itself admit his guilt without they even refer HMRC. That's what I guess.

I was asked to provide additional information as I had to replace my passport, the case worker made it clear that they need p60 or payslip to demonstrate to the home Secretary that I meet the residence requirement.

Anais2015 wrote:

Universal soldier wrote:I don't know that whether is it suitable to attach employment history but again repeating what I guess that they don't care where you work. They try to locate your weak immigration history in past and then ask as how you support yourself during that period and if you have no right of work then under good character they will refuse. Maybe they preferring that applicant itself admit his guilt without they even refer HMRC. That's what I guess.

I was asked to provide additional information as I had to replace my passport, the case worker made it clear that they need p60 or payslip to demonstrate to the home Secretary that I meet the residence requirement.

Anais2015 wrote:

Universal soldier wrote:I don't know that whether is it suitable to attach employment history but again repeating what I guess that they don't care where you work. They try to locate your weak immigration history in past and then ask as how you support yourself during that period and if you have no right of work then under good character they will refuse. Maybe they preferring that applicant itself admit his guilt without they even refer HMRC. That's what I guess.

I was asked to provide additional information as I had to replace my passport, the case worker made it clear that they need p60 or payslip to demonstrate to the home Secretary that I meet the residence requirement.

They probably not have information of your replacement passport and that's why. Why you get replacements passport, is because it was lost??

Universal soldier wrote:

Anais2015 wrote:

Universal soldier wrote:I don't know that whether is it suitable to attach employment history but again repeating what I guess that they don't care where you work. They try to locate your weak immigration history in past and then ask as how you support yourself during that period and if you have no right of work then under good character they will refuse. Maybe they preferring that applicant itself admit his guilt without they even refer HMRC. That's what I guess.

I was asked to provide additional information as I had to replace my passport, the case worker made it clear that they need p60 or payslip to demonstrate to the home Secretary that I meet the residence requirement.

Anais2015 wrote:

Universal soldier wrote:I don't know that whether is it suitable to attach employment history but again repeating what I guess that they don't care where you work. They try to locate your weak immigration history in past and then ask as how you support yourself during that period and if you have no right of work then under good character they will refuse. Maybe they preferring that applicant itself admit his guilt without they even refer HMRC. That's what I guess.

I was asked to provide additional information as I had to replace my passport, the case worker made it clear that they need p60 or payslip to demonstrate to the home Secretary that I meet the residence requirement.

They probably not have information of your replacement passport and that's why. Why you get replacements passport, is because it was lost??

That's true. As I had to renew it.

March_LR14 wrote:I got my past 6 years employment history letter from HMRC today. I still don't remember the dates of my employment which i did in 2006. If i put the guess dates and HO checks with hmrc and finds them incorrect will that be considered as deception on my part?

Wonder how long that took. I requested the same in June. Mid July I gave up waiting and requested a SAR instead. Funny story, both arrived in a matter of days from each other.

I received the SAR after 38 days, two days short of the legal maximum, so that is fine. Although they sent two letters, anyway today I got the employment history .... 65 days after I requested it.

Employment history: 2 pages 65 days
SAR: 35 pages 38 days

Go figure