137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

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Re: 129 Pages EEA application for, what for

Postby robsters » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:45 pm

Obie wrote:The form Is mad. Asking if people are in receipt of benefit.

Asking for divorce petitions to be provided.

It is crazy.


Just to make sure is it the EEA FM 91 pages the right form? everyone saying 100 + pages but i only see the 91 page document here for surinder Singh cases. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... orm-eea-fm

we plan to apply, also it states integration into EEA Country and example is child born there....my wife got pregnant there but she is due in dec she gone through most the pregnancy in Ireland do you think that will help with the centre of life test or would it possibly go against us as we moved to uk for her to give birth here?

if the application is refused on surrinder singh cases can you appeal and how often do people get refused? she has 5 months left on her family permit and want to apply for the uk residence card soon and i cant afford for it to go wrong with a child on the way
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby mfhkay » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:45 pm

as i was reading the guide they mentioned

It’s not mandatory to use the EEA(FM) application form but it will assist us in dealing with your
application more efficiently if you do. Even if you choose not to use this form, you must pay the
specified fee, submit the relevant supporting documents and (if you’re a non EEA national) give
your biometric information.
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it means it is not necessary
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby albrechtjc » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:58 pm

Dossier sent on May 7, 2015
permanent resident card received today 06/10/2015.
Application was sped up by contacting member of parliament.
Good Luck to All.
Just a word on the submitted documents: took 2 month to compile, much effort was made to read it and present it in a very professional manner.
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby tigerram » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:24 pm

Hi people,

I am confused and I don't want to make a mistake. I will be marrying my non EEA spouse, who is living in the Philippines, in HK in December. My dual-nationality is being rescinded and by the time we apply for a visa, I will be Irish.

I want to make sure if it is the EEA (FM) form I must use, or should it be done online (at this address: https://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk/account/register ), as she resides abroad? Also, what documentation must I include, is a tuberculosis test needed, etc. And should I be brave and just send a letter and biometrics...what are they?

Confused. I just don't want to make a mistake when the time comes. Please help.
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby tigerram » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:17 pm

Anyone able to help?
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby noajthan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:33 pm

tigerram wrote:Hi people,

I am confused and I don't want to make a mistake. I will be marrying my non EEA spouse, who is living in the Philippines, in HK in December. My dual-nationality is being rescinded and by the time we apply for a visa, I will be Irish.

I want to make sure if it is the EEA (FM) form I must use, or should it be done online (at this address: https://www.visa4uk.fco.gov.uk/account/register ), as she resides abroad? Also, what documentation must I include, is a tuberculosis test needed, etc. And should I be brave and just send a letter and biometrics...what are they?

Confused. I just don't want to make a mistake when the time comes. Please help.


Mabuhay!

What visa do you think you need?

Are you talking about an EEA Family Permit?
ie to bring your non-EEA dependent family member (spouse) with you into UK?
with you being an EEA national, (not a BC), planning to exercise treaty rights in UK?

If so you could start here:
https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/overview

Best of luck for your wedding day (& your future immigration journey).

P.S Re TB ...

An applicant applying for an EEA family permit is not required to produce a certificate showing them free from active pulmonary TB as EEA family permits are valid for six months.


Ref: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... issues-med
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby tigerram » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:09 pm

Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem :) but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby noajthan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:24 pm

tigerram wrote:Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem :) but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?


My understanding is you have to submit original documents, including passport.

I think you would submit your bundle of supporting documents to a regional processing centre.
What do the instructions say about where to send all the documents?
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Re: 129 Pages EEA application for, what for

Postby teardrops » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:50 pm

osbrandouk wrote:Hi obie,
my only concern by this new ridiculous EEA application form is actually section 18 of the form. in this section, they asked the applicant for information about any public fund or state benefits they or their eea national sponsor are claiming or have claimed since they have lived in the uk. i have the feeling HO will start refusing application from eea national and their family members who r claiming in-work benefits like tax credits, housing and council tax benefits. i might be wrong but i just have the feeling this could be another strategy from HO to frustrate eea national and their family member in this county.




Hi Obie, I am finding the forms getting more silly than anything esle. I have just submited an application and they wanted to know how much benefits my ex was claiming. I simple do a long cover letter explainig that he was getting beneifts in 2003 for a few months but have no idea of how much it was and for the exact date and time he was receving it. These people become such pain in the mule to say the least. I was shock by the repetitive questions. I have change three passport since am living in this country, I lost the very old passport I came in this country with. I never reported it lost becuase it is expired and without any validity. I sent it for P.R but was refused becuase my husband was getting pension credits for three years during the marriage and they have no immigration history about me.

I have summited one other epired passport along with the currnet one and explain that I came here with a passport and was give a visa when I came here. These are things that is at the finger tip of HO but yet they chose to be difficult. I came here since 1999 from a very far country, I cannot take a boat or ship to get me here hence I was landed here with my country passport hence I was given a visa. I never knew that getting pension credit is benfeits an E.U citizen is not entitled to ?
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby joneeboy » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:50 pm

by noajthan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:24 pm




tigerram wrote:
Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem :) but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?

My understanding is you have to submit original documents, including passport.

I think you would submit your bundle of supporting documents to a regional processing centre.
What do the instructions say about where to send all the documents?
A person can always be sure of what they don't know. They might not be sure of what they know.

We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand. E&OE.
1. It is your wife who will apply for the EU/EEA Family Permit, not you.
2. If her normal place of residence is the Philippines, that is where she should make her application.
3. Applications in the Philippines are made through an 'Application Centre' in Manila. Initial application is made online at which time an appontment is booked at the application centre. Applicant personally visits centre,carrying a downloaded and signed copy of the application, all the required documents, a simple letter of support from you, and two recent passport size photos.
4.There is no charge for a Family Permit, but there is a modest 'handling fee'.
5. Tha Agency checks everything and sends it on to the Embassy the same day.
Applicants usually pay a fee to have passport and all docs returned by Special Delivery, but I believe there is an option to collect oneself too.
It is NOT necessary to send the originals of any document issued by the UK Governmen such as your passport, or your certificate of Renunciation of Citizenship. Copies are accepted at the Manila Embassy, and I have that in writing. She will have to submit an original marriage certificate.
6. At present, Family Permits are issued by the Manila Embassy in under 2 weeks.
7. You can find all the details on the website of the British Embassy in Manila, and the links to the visa application centre, whose website has full and detailed instructions. Its quite a simple process compared to having to get a visa for the UK.(Which has a current reject rate of over 35% in the Philippines!).
How do I know? I'm also a former British/Irish Citizen who renouced his British citizenship, and was also married in HongKong to a Filipina. The only difference is that I was resident in the Philippines, as was she, and we chose to marry on Hong Kong because its easier and so much better than the bureucratic Philippines system. Now we are in the UK.
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby Carling40 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:17 am

hi all,
i could do with some advice from anyone who has had a successful application using a previous EEA4 form or anyone who knows really
I intend to apply for confirmation of my right with a previous EEA4 form, what do i do regarding the biometrics section? am i supposed to print off the biometric section from the current version with the rest of the old version?
i hope this makes sense
i await your help as always gurus
thanks
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby tigerram » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:36 pm

joneeboy wrote:by noajthan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:24 pm




tigerram wrote:
Hi there,

Thanks for your email and curing the tuberculosis problem :) but I am still confused...

Yes, what you say in your second paragraph about our situation and intentions is correct. It seems an EEA Family Permit is what us required. But I find that website confusing. If the online form is done, it says they will need her passport but would it have to be sent here from the Philippines?

My understanding is you have to submit original documents, including passport.

I think you would submit your bundle of supporting documents to a regional processing centre.
What do the instructions say about where to send all the documents?
A person can always be sure of what they don't know. They might not be sure of what they know.

We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand. E&OE.
1. It is your wife who will apply for the EU/EEA Family Permit, not you.
2. If her normal place of residence is the Philippines, that is where she should make her application.
3. Applications in the Philippines are made through an 'Application Centre' in Manila. Initial application is made online at which time an appontment is booked at the application centre. Applicant personally visits centre,carrying a downloaded and signed copy of the application, all the required documents, a simple letter of support from you, and two recent passport size photos.
4.There is no charge for a Family Permit, but there is a modest 'handling fee'.
5. Tha Agency checks everything and sends it on to the Embassy the same day.
Applicants usually pay a fee to have passport and all docs returned by Special Delivery, but I believe there is an option to collect oneself too.
It is NOT necessary to send the originals of any document issued by the UK Governmen such as your passport, or your certificate of Renunciation of Citizenship. Copies are accepted at the Manila Embassy, and I have that in writing. She will have to submit an original marriage certificate.
6. At present, Family Permits are issued by the Manila Embassy in under 2 weeks.
7. You can find all the details on the website of the British Embassy in Manila, and the links to the visa application centre, whose website has full and detailed instructions. Its quite a simple process compared to having to get a visa for the UK.(Which has a current reject rate of over 35% in the Philippines!).
How do I know? I'm also a former British/Irish Citizen who renouced his British citizenship, and was also married in HongKong to a Filipina. The only difference is that I was resident in the Philippines, as was she, and we chose to marry on Hong Kong because its easier and so much better than the bureucratic Philippines system. Now we are in the UK.



Thanks ever so much.
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby Lespa » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:04 pm

I don't know if anyone pointed out but you can simply use the old form, write a cover letter and point them in direction of the:
Home Office Guide
Processes and procedures: EEA documentation applications – v3.0 Published for Home Office staff on 08 October 2015

link is below

Page 8 talks about using previous forms or just writing a letter.
Also Every section has this quote:
An EEA(PR) form can be used to submit an application. However, you must not refuse or reject an application because it is not on the right form. A letter requesting a document certifying permanent residence or permanent residence card, or an application made on one of the previous forms (EEA3 or EEA4), is acceptable as long as:
 the correct fee is submitted with the application
 the applicant gives their biometric information if they are a non-EEA national applying
on or after 6 April 2015

this particular one is from PR section on page 19, but it is the same on all other sections (find section for your case and check)

I spoke recently to EEA applications team about this and something else as I am not a strait forward case and asked them if I included printout of their own guides and rules, would I come across as patronising.
The guy I spoke to told me that if I phoned for an advice, that is exactly what he would advised me to do. Print relevant pages, point out the source and highlight sections concerning you.
He said that makes officers jobs much easier and they appreciate if you don't just presume they will know EVERYTHING...(weather they should be aware of their own rules and policies is question for another discussion)

But anyway, don't bother with the new form, its too long, too intrusive (why would anyone want to know what language my KIDS speak at home is beyond me) and if you feel confident about your case, just use the old, simpler form and send them a copy of the guideline that says you can do that.

Oh, yes, very important !!! make sure you include the correct fee (currently £65 I believe) and biometrics pages from the new form.

Here is the link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/467008/Processes_and_Procedures_v3_0.pdf

Hope this helps
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Re: 129 Pages EEA application for, what for

Postby joneeboy » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:00 am

mkhan2525 wrote:The long application form is covered in this article amongst other things highlighting the way in which this government creates a hostile environment for migrants.

http://www.migrantsrights.org.uk/blog/2 ... nt-which-n

This does not link to any information about the long application form, but only to the website home page. The disadvantage of the migrantsrights.org.uk website is that it has neither an index or a search facilitmore than an hour of scrolling I gave up.
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby DFDS. » Thu May 05, 2016 1:35 pm

Obie wrote:I have seen the 129 pages EEA Application form. What exactly is this for.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... orm-eea-fm

It looks like it is a means of Frustrating people to pay more postage, and additional legal fees.

Utterly crazy, and unnecessary, and a cynical measure.
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby vinny » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:48 am

Please click on any given links for further information.

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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby hannes7 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:08 pm

It's a very time-consuming process. I even do not understand why it is necessary to provide biometric data for the EEA(FM) of the non-EU. The EEA(FM)-certificate is just a sticker in the passport.

And to make it even more inapprehensible, when you just go to the boarder with a marriage-certificate, the non-EU will get an "EEA Dependent"-stamp in the passport which is basically the same as the sticker - without any fee!
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby secret.simon » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:05 pm


Just as a quick update to Vinny's earlier post, from 1st February 2017, all applications for EEA documentation will have to be made on the specified Home Office form (Regulation 21).

Interestingly, all applications for either a residence card or a derivative residence card (I presume that covers both Chen and Zambrano derivatives) must be made from within the UK (Regulation 21(3) above).

hannes7 wrote:And to make it even more inapprehensible, when you just go to the boarder with a marriage-certificate, the non-EU will get an "EEA Dependent"-stamp in the passport which is basically the same as the sticker - without any fee!

I could be wrong, but that is the equivalent of a Family Permit, not a Residence Card.

To the best of my knowledge, a Residence Card of a non-EEA family member does contain biometric information and is a separate card.

The passport sticker that you mention is most likely a Family Permit that is valid for only six months and is generally only granted for actually entering the UK.
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby hannes7 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:07 pm

secret.simon wrote:

Just as a quick update to Vinny's earlier post, from 1st February 2017, all applications for EEA documentation will have to be made on the specified Home Office form (Regulation 21).

Interestingly, all applications for either a residence card or a derivative residence card (I presume that covers both Chen and Zambrano derivatives) must be made from within the UK (Regulation 21(3) above).

hannes7 wrote:And to make it even more inapprehensible, when you just go to the boarder with a marriage-certificate, the non-EU will get an "EEA Dependent"-stamp in the passport which is basically the same as the sticker - without any fee!

I could be wrong, but that is the equivalent of a Family Permit, not a Residence Card.

To the best of my knowledge, a Residence Card of a non-EEA family member does contain biometric information and is a separate card.

The passport sticker that you mention is most likely a Family Permit that is valid for only six months and is generally only granted for actually entering the UK.


I'm not quite sure, if the british goverment intended to establish a barrier by confusing people using similar names for different visa. In my situation it worked perfectly and created a wonderful confusion :mrgreen:
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Re: 137 Pages EEA application form, what for exactly

Postby noajthan » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:27 pm

There are no visas in EU migration context.

EU documentation is mandated by EU Directive not dictated by UK gov; (simply transposed into UK law from EU law and the Directive).
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