EEA4 fast processing times or wishful thinking

Hubba wrote: It's funny they didn't pick on your application, but you also needed Comprehensive Sickness Insurance during the whole 5 year period. Both the EEA national and his/her family members need to be covered, if applying as self-sufficient.

I don't believe that is true. I took "and family members" to mean any other family members in the application, such as children. As I am working and giving 40% of my income to the state, I do not understand why I'd need insurance. She's the one exercising treaty rights, not me.

Put another way, she could have applied and gotten an EEA3 PR solely based on her bank accounts (and her 5 years of CSI) with no mention of me. Then I could have applied using EEA4, only mentioning that my EEA spouse already has PR (its just a checkbox in the form). Where in that process would I have needed to show CSI for myself?

HI there,

I am writing this post for my friend his 5 years on EEA route will nearly comming to end next month... his wife had EEA1 (WRS) i think and he did EEA2 applicaition earlier when they apply for visa... can anyone please advice about that does his wife must have to apply for EEA3 and is there any advantage or disadvantage for EEA3??

What documents they will have to send with EEA4 application? someone advise that only his wife work documents will be enough............any one know any guidance ...it would be very helpfull thnkas

blooms wrote:

Hubba wrote: It's funny they didn't pick on your application, but you also needed Comprehensive Sickness Insurance during the whole 5 year period. Both the EEA national and his/her family members need to be covered, if applying as self-sufficient.

I don't believe that is true. I took "and family members" to mean any other family members in the application, such as children. As I am working and giving 40% of my income to the state, I do not understand why I'd need insurance. She's the one exercising treaty rights, not me.

Put another way, she could have applied and gotten an EEA3 PR solely based on her bank accounts (and her 5 years of CSI) with no mention of me. Then I could have applied using EEA4, only mentioning that my EEA spouse already has PR (its just a checkbox in the form). Where in that process would I have needed to show CSI for myself?

National Insurance and income tax can't be taken as "in lieu" payments for health insurance. For her to exercise Treaty Rights as self-sufficient, her and her family members (not just those included on the EEA3 application- but any which the right to live in the UK was dependent of her Treaty Rights exercise, which would include you) would need to be covered by CSI ( https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 0_0EXT.pdf, page 26).

You do raise an interesting loophole, though. Your wife could theoretically apply for EEA3 independently, as you have mentioned, allowing you to use her EEA3 PR to apply for your EEA4. This would circumvent the need of presenting CSI for yourself, since no document related to Treaty Rights exercise would need to be presented. This is a loophole though, since for EEA2 you would be required to present CSI for both of you, as request on item 9 of the EEA2 form:

Evidence of comprehensive sickness insurance for the EEA national, you and any other
family members included in the application. See section 12 for guidance on what evidence
to submit.

You do raise an interesting loophole, though. Your wife could theoretically apply for EEA3 independently, as you have mentioned, allowing you to use her EEA3 PR to apply for your EEA4. This would circumvent the need of presenting CSI for yourself, since no document related to Treaty Rights exercise would need to be presented. This is a loophole though, since for EEA2 you would be required to present CSI for both of you, as request on item 9 of the EEA2 form:

Interesting PR issued outside the rule for sure or may be case worker is new. Only EU student family member don't need CSI

according to UKBA:

The EEA national must have enough money to support themselves and any family members claiming a right to reside through them without needing to claim benefits; and comprehensive sickness insurance cover for themselves and those family members. For as long as these conditions are met, the EEA national and their family members will have a right to reside under regulation 14 of the EEA Regulations (and would acquire the right of permanent residence after five years’ continuous residence in compliance with the Regulations).

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... _seperatio

Hello everyone,

I would like to share my, luckily, quick journey to get my PR.

Sent on 04/04
Letter of acknowledgement received on 13/04
COA never received
Passaports and PR received on 16/05 dated 06/05

Good luck to all of you!

Cheers,
Naj

najnaj80 wrote:Hello everyone,

I would like to share my, luckily, quick journey to get my PR.

Sent on 04/04
Letter of acknowledgement received on 13/04
COA never received
Passaports and PR received on 16/05 dated 06/05

Good luck to all of you!

Cheers,
Naj

Thanks for sharing. It seems the turnover is much quicker these days. I bit worried they haven't sent you a COA, but then again, have concluded your process in 32 days, which is great.

Would you believe it? - I got my documents back, and PR.

Yupeeee

To conclude my application timeline:

Docs and EEA4 sent on 11 Feb, on 12 Feb they took the money
COA issued on 14 April
PR issued on 13 May (although received on 22 May with my special delivery, not sure what they've been doing with it )


I do have a question though, which I'm leaving in this thread because it could be of interest to other waiting for PR.

HO put my PR in the passport, and I would prefer it to be on a separate piece of paper (reasons being - my passport is my only ID and I would not like my PR lost in the post somewhere..). Also, my passport expires the next year..
Can I ask the home office to issue a PR on a piece of paper or.. am I stuck with what I have?

You're stuck with it unless you want to apply again. Just carry both passports - they're not that heavy!

Stoli wrote:Would you believe it? - I got my documents back, and PR.

Yupeeee

To conclude my application timeline:

Docs and EEA4 sent on 11 Feb, on 12 Feb they took the money
COA issued on 14 April
PR issued on 13 May (although received on 22 May with my special delivery, not sure what they've been doing with it )


I do have a question though, which I'm leaving in this thread because it could be of interest to other waiting for PR.

HO put my PR in the passport, and I would prefer it to be on a separate piece of paper (reasons being - my passport is my only ID and I would not like my PR lost in the post somewhere..). Also, my passport expires the next year..
Can I ask the home office to issue a PR on a piece of paper or.. am I stuck with what I have?

It's easier to get a new passport than to get a new PR Just apply for a new passport and keep the old one just for the PR...

ok, just posted mine.

Here is my story so far:

July/2008 Married in the UK (both been here since 2005 as students and therefore on a student visa)
Nov/2008 send EEA2 application
May/2009 EEA2 Issued
June/2009 Hubby (EEA National) started working

So I am a little bit confused if I should apply for EEA4 five years from May 2009 (EEA2 issued date) or June 2009 (Hubby started working), as we don't have the CSI thinggy (never heard such a thing at the time!) so I would like to apply on the basis that my husband has been working here for 5 years.

I've been preparing the application for over a week now (such a hassle to get documents to cover five years of two persons' lives!! Especially when you are working full time and have a 2 years old child running around at home!). Just got an email from my HR asking me about my "Right to Work Expiry", so I dashed off to the post office and sent it...without checking it for another 100 times...

I sent it as a joint application of EEA3&4, in which I included:

(1) Covering letter, outlining our activities in the past five years referencing to the list of documents included.

(2) EEA3&4 application forms, with photos stabled, and our passports.

(3) Prove of relationship: Marriage certificate, I also included the Birth Certificate of our son as extra support of evidence (DS is not included in the application)

(3) Evidence of hubby exercising treaty rights: Letter from Employer, P60 for 5 years, Payslips for the most recent 3 months, a selection of his bank statements which his salary goes in over the past 5 years.

(4) Evidence of joint residency in the UK for 5 years: tenancy agreements, utility bills, council tax, letter from solicitor confirming purchase of property with both of our names, and a selection of our joint bank statements over the past 5 years

(5) Additionally I provided evidence of me working in the UK for the past 4.5 years: letter from Employer, P60 for 5 years, Payslips for the past 3 months, a selection of my bank statements which my salary goes in.

Ah I also included two pre-paid special delivery in the application, one with my name the other one with hubby's name - in case they want to send our passports back separately!

Now fingers crossed that they send me the COA thinggy asap to keep my HR happy!

Here the wait starts again...deja vu...

Just quick one , I sent my applicationson the 1st of may , on Eea4 after divorced,
My question is , do I need my ex partner 5yrs work history to get my PR , as my ex is not even picking his calls ,
But I managed to get a letter from DWP to say he's claiming job seekers, I hope that will help , as we married for 5yrs and 9mnth before we
Divorced

Sylviaucl wrote:ok, just posted mine.

Here is my story so far:

July/2008 Married in the UK (both been here since 2005 as students and therefore on a student visa)
Nov/2008 send EEA2 application
May/2009 EEA2 Issued
June/2009 Hubby (EEA National) started working

So I am a little bit confused if I should apply for EEA4 five years from May 2009 (EEA2 issued date) or June 2009 (Hubby started working), as we don't have the CSI thinggy (never heard such a thing at the time!) so I would like to apply on the basis that my husband has been working here for 5 years.

I've been preparing the application for over a week now (such a hassle to get documents to cover five years of two persons' lives!! Especially when you are working full time and have a 2 years old child running around at home!). Just got an email from my HR asking me about my "Right to Work Expiry", so I dashed off to the post office and sent it...without checking it for another 100 times...

I sent it as a joint application of EEA3&4, in which I included:

(1) Covering letter, outlining our activities in the past five years referencing to the list of documents included.

(2) EEA3&4 application forms, with photos stabled, and our passports.

(3) Prove of relationship: Marriage certificate, I also included the Birth Certificate of our son as extra support of evidence (DS is not included in the application)

(3) Evidence of hubby exercising treaty rights: Letter from Employer, P60 for 5 years, Payslips for the most recent 3 months, a selection of his bank statements which his salary goes in over the past 5 years.

(4) Evidence of joint residency in the UK for 5 years: tenancy agreements, utility bills, council tax, letter from solicitor confirming purchase of property with both of our names, and a selection of our joint bank statements over the past 5 years

(5) Additionally I provided evidence of me working in the UK for the past 4.5 years: letter from Employer, P60 for 5 years, Payslips for the past 3 months, a selection of my bank statements which my salary goes in.

Ah I also included two pre-paid special delivery in the application, one with my name the other one with hubby's name - in case they want to send our passports back separately!

Now fingers crossed that they send me the COA thinggy asap to keep my HR happy!

Here the wait starts again...deja vu...

Thanks for sharing all in detail..
Please advice me .. is it helps to aaply EEA3 with EEA4... i mean whats is advantage of that???? and someone applying for EEA is he also need to send his employment details or his partner EEA NATIONAL work papers are enough?

appealwaiting wrote:
Thanks for sharing all in detail..
Please advice me .. is it helps to aaply EEA3 with EEA4... i mean whats is advantage of that???? and someone applying for EEA is he also need to send his employment details or his partner EEA NATIONAL work papers are enough?

1. My hubby wants British Passport so we decided to apply both, as the documents are almost exactly the same.

2. No, no need for the non-EEA national to send his/her work papers. However I sent it because of two reasons (a) For the EEA2 application there were "rumours" that showing evidence that the non-EEA national also works helps the processing time for the application, as it demonstrates that it is less likely the non-EEA national would be claiming benefits. (b) In my case my job requires travelling quite often, so I added my work paper as additional evidence to push them a bit.

Good luck with your application!

Hi Everyone

My Mom is married to an EEA person and we go our residence permit in 2008. We were now due to apply for permanent residence, so we applied through a solicitor.

19/05/2014 - Application sent
27/05/2014 - Acknowledgement letter received (Dated 21/05/2014)

I am a bit confused by the fact that, Me and my mom applied using the same application form, She as the Main Applicant and me as a family member, as they give you the option to do so and I am her daughter. BUT, The Letter of acknowledgement received but the home office only says:

"Our Ref number: xxxx
Your reference number: Blank
Regarding Applicant: XXXXX ( My mom's name ONLY)

Thank you for the application by the above-named on form EEA4. it will now be passed to a casework unit to await consideration.
... "

My Name is not on that letter, is it normal?? I asked my solicitor and she advised me to wait for the COA Letter and that they should send two COA letters in both my mom's name and mine.

I hope there is nothing wrong with the application, as I am feeling really positive and counting on this.

Any suggestions about it???

Many Thanks

claraluh wrote:Hi Everyone

My Mom is married to an EEA person and we go our residence permit in 2008. We were now due to apply for permanent residence, so we applied through a solicitor.

19/05/2014 - Application sent
27/05/2014 - Acknowledgement letter received (Dated 21/05/2014)

I am a bit confused by the fact that, Me and my mom applied using the same application form, She as the Main Applicant and me as a family member, as they give you the option to do so and I am her daughter. BUT, The Letter of acknowledgement received but the home office only says:

"Our Ref number: xxxx
Your reference number: Blank
Regarding Applicant: XXXXX ( My mom's name ONLY)

Thank you for the application by the above-named on form EEA4. it will now be passed to a casework unit to await consideration.
... "

My Name is not on that letter, is it normal?? I asked my solicitor and she advised me to wait for the COA Letter and that they should send two COA letters in both my mom's name and mine.

I hope there is nothing wrong with the application, as I am feeling really positive and counting on this.

Any suggestions about it???

Many Thanks

Your mother is a main applicant,that's why your name is not on this letter.
This is normal and nothing to worry.

Imshzd wrote: Your mother is a main applicant,that's why your name is not on this letter.
This is normal and nothing to worry.

Thanks Imshzd !!!! I feel much more relieved now!!

Hubba wrote:

Stoli wrote:Would you believe it? - I got my documents back, and PR.

Yupeeee

To conclude my application timeline:

Docs and EEA4 sent on 11 Feb, on 12 Feb they took the money
COA issued on 14 April
PR issued on 13 May (although received on 22 May with my special delivery, not sure what they've been doing with it )


I do have a question though, which I'm leaving in this thread because it could be of interest to other waiting for PR.

HO put my PR in the passport, and I would prefer it to be on a separate piece of paper (reasons being - my passport is my only ID and I would not like my PR lost in the post somewhere..). Also, my passport expires the next year..
Can I ask the home office to issue a PR on a piece of paper or.. am I stuck with what I have?

It's easier to get a new passport than to get a new PR Just apply for a new passport and keep the old one just for the PR...

@ hubba, askmeplz and blooms,

QUESTION:

-so if my wife has EEA3 and I apply for EEA4, she is not working , can CSI be avoided?

Regards,
Kulla

kulla wrote:

Hubba wrote:

Stoli wrote:Would you believe it? - I got my documents back, and PR.

Yupeeee

To conclude my application timeline:

Docs and EEA4 sent on 11 Feb, on 12 Feb they took the money
COA issued on 14 April
PR issued on 13 May (although received on 22 May with my special delivery, not sure what they've been doing with it )


I do have a question though, which I'm leaving in this thread because it could be of interest to other waiting for PR.

HO put my PR in the passport, and I would prefer it to be on a separate piece of paper (reasons being - my passport is my only ID and I would not like my PR lost in the post somewhere..). Also, my passport expires the next year..
Can I ask the home office to issue a PR on a piece of paper or.. am I stuck with what I have?

It's easier to get a new passport than to get a new PR Just apply for a new passport and keep the old one just for the PR...

@ hubba, askmeplz and blooms,

QUESTION:

-so if my wife has EEA3 and I apply for EEA4, she is not working , can CSI be avoided?

Regards,
Kulla

If you were present here during the 5 years on which you EEA national spouse exercised Treaty Rights, then no, you don't need to present CSI. You need only to prove that your EEA national has exercised Treaty Rights for 5 years consecutively whilst you were here with her. If you arrived here in the UK at least 5 years before the issue date of her EEA3, you can present only her EEA3, regardless of her current situation.

If she obtained PR before you completed 5 years in country, then it is my understanding that, even though she has already acquired PR, she needs to be exercising Treaty Rights during the whole 5 years period of your residence here. from my understanding of EU directive 2004/38/EC, the right of residence for family members of an EEA national only exists if the EEA national is exercising Treaty Rights in another member country and it is given by article 7 paragraph 2. If your wife is not exercising Treaty Rights according to article 7, paragraph 1, items a, b or c (none of which includes permanent residence), your stay here in the UK would not be deemed legal and you wouldn't be able to obtain PR.

Now, this is only my understanding. A caseworker might not be as picky as I am and may approve your PR request even without CSI. The EEA4 form does leave the door open for this kind of application. It is up to the caseworker to decide.

It seems no one has heard from the HO recently. I WANT MY PR!!!!
9 weeks and counting!

22/05/2014 sent joint application EEA3&4
23/05/2014 HO received it
28/05/2014 Money taken out for both eea3&4
30/05/2014 received letter from HO confirming that they have received the EEA3 application (but not the EEA4!)

And no news ever since...

I wonder if having submitted both would actually delay my EEA4 application...

Sylviaucl wrote:22/05/2014 sent joint application EEA3&4
23/05/2014 HO received it
28/05/2014 Money taken out for both eea3&4
30/05/2014 received letter from HO confirming that they have received the EEA3 application (but not the EEA4!)

And no news ever since...

I wonder if having submitted both would actually delay my EEA4 application...

Certainly not. EEA3 has actually precedence when it comes to processing.

People here got excited thinking that the Home Office somehow got better and more efficient. They certainly did, but do not take for granted that your process will be quick. They have 6 months to process it.

Hubba wrote:

Sylviaucl wrote:22/05/2014 sent joint application EEA3&4
23/05/2014 HO received it
28/05/2014 Money taken out for both eea3&4
30/05/2014 received letter from HO confirming that they have received the EEA3 application (but not the EEA4!)

And no news ever since...

I wonder if having submitted both would actually delay my EEA4 application...

Certainly not. EEA3 has actually precedence when it comes to processing.

People here got excited thinking that the Home Office somehow got better and more efficient. They certainly did, but do not take for granted that your process will be quick. They have 6 months to process it.

My PR has finally arrived! 10 weeks

If you're reading this and you're applying or thinking of applying in the future I would strongly recommend you create a VERY ORGANISED folder, with tabs for each pocket, stating all the documents you're sending. The more organised the better will the outcome be.

I sent everything required. Original passports (important), Marriage certificate, bank statements, tenancy agreements, utility bills, P60s and a full cover letter explaining what I thought it would help the caseworker understand any question he/she raised.

I am extremely relieved I won't have to miss travelling this summer.

I still don't understand why this service can't be sorted same day, even for a higher fee.

Good luck to everyone in the same position waiting for their PR to come through. If you do a good job, it will.

OFF TO THE CARIBBEAN NOW BYYYYYEEEEE

Congratulations , so happy for you & enjoy your holiday :

Congratulations!!! )

I received my PR a couple of weeks ago now, but still kept the email notifications for this thread - holding my fingers crossed for everybody waiting, and ask any questions if you're interested, I'm still here! Hopefully to return the favour of supporting someone who is now in the situation I was only so recently.

big hug to all

iwantmyresidenceasap wrote:
My PR has finally arrived! 10 weeks

If you're reading this and you're applying or thinking of applying in the future I would strongly recommend you create a VERY ORGANISED folder, with tabs for each pocket, stating all the documents you're sending. The more organised the better will the outcome be.

I sent everything required. Original passports (important), Marriage certificate, bank statements, tenancy agreements, utility bills, P60s and a full cover letter explaining what I thought it would help the caseworker understand any question he/she raised.

I am extremely relieved I won't have to miss travelling this summer.

I still don't understand why this service can't be sorted same day, even for a higher fee.

Good luck to everyone in the same position waiting for their PR to come through. If you do a good job, it will.

OFF TO THE CARIBBEAN NOW BYYYYYEEEEE

CONGRATULATIONS!!! So Happy for you!

I got my COA today and am looking forward to get my PR soon - Fingers crossed for me and everyone else waiting for theirs.

Good Luck Everyone!!!