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You need to prove identity or your application will fail.new.citizen wrote:My Italian passport has expired and I don't have an Italian ID card. I have other forms of valid identity, such as a UK driving licence, a valid Australian passport and I can get a letter from my employer to prove I have lived and worked in the UK as a resident for 17 continuous years. I just don't have valid EU identity and wanted to avoid having to renew my Italian passport.
I lived and worked in the UK with a valid EU passport for the 5 years needed to qualify for permanent residence.
Is there any chance this will be considered or do I have no other option but to renew my Italian passport?
we can only accept alternative evidence of your identity and nationality if you’re unable to submit a valid passport, travel document or EEA national identity card due to circumstances beyond your control
That's something of a misunderstanding.new.citizen wrote:I appreciate the answers but I am still none the wiser. According to all the information I read, an EU national is granted UK permanent residency AUTOMATICALLY after 5 years of continuous residency in the UK. By my definition, ‘automatic’ means I didn’t have to do anything other than live in the UK for 5 years.
I have fulfilled that requirement and then some.
I know what the guidance form says and hence my confusion. I cannot seem to get a definitive answer about whether I need to apply for residency before citizenship. Why do I need to apply for something that was granted automatically 12 years ago?
Without applying, how do I prove I have automatic permanent residency?
Still very confused.
Just residing in UK is nowhere near enoughBy my definition, ‘automatic’ means I didn’t have to do anything other than live in the UK for 5 years.
You prove it by collating all your evidence (as per the PR guidance) and applying on PR form.new.citizen wrote:Hi noajthan,
Sorry I have been sparse with details which have probably made advising me difficult!It is under these conditions that I thought I would automatically have qualified for permanent residence after 5 years. If so, how do I prove it?
- In 1998 I came to the UK from Australia because I was offered a full time job with a British company and I still work for the same company
- I was able to live and work in the UK under the EU freedom of labour movement because I have Italian nationality by descent and have held a valid Italian passport until June 2015 when it expired
- I applied and obtained a National Insurance number circa 1998 and have been paying UK National Insurance and income tax for 17 years
- I could probably obtain a letter from my employer stating when my employment started and perhaps even my nationality
Kind regards
You are mixing up two related concepts.new.citizen wrote:I appreciate the answers but I am still none the wiser. According to all the information I read, an EU national is granted UK permanent residency AUTOMATICALLY after 5 years of continuous residency in the UK. By my definition, ‘automatic’ means I didn’t have to do anything other than live in the UK for 5 years.
I have fulfilled that requirement and then some.
I know what the guidance form says and hence my confusion. I cannot seem to get a definitive answer about whether I need to apply for residency before citizenship. Why do I need to apply for something that was granted automatically 12 years ago?
Without applying, how do I prove I have automatic permanent residency?
Still very confused.
So, it seems I can submit the EEA(PR) application using my current, valid Australian passport for identity and use my expired Italian passport and other supporting documents to prove that I legally lived and worked in the UK as an EEA qualified person exercising treaty rights for 5 years continuously.“Previous immigration or residence documents (section 5) – e.g. registration certificate, residence card, biometric residence permit; previous passports, travel documents or national identity cards; police lost property report or crime reference number for lost/stolen documents”
In regard to the above question: I take it 'absences' is defined as long periods, not short holidays a person typically takes? Some forms specify absences as being 6 months. It's not clear on this one.5.3 Have you (or has your sponsor, if applicable) had any absences from the UK since you/they entered?
That form doesn't seem to exist anymore. Searches for that form link to EEA(PR)ohara wrote:If your application is simple, for example you are applying on the basis of being a worker for 5 years, then to simplify things I suggest using an old version of the EEA3 form. It's much shorter and less intrusive. You still need to pay the £65 fee, though.
I have just collated all of my original documentation (Bank statements and payslips) and I can prove without any doubt that I lived in the UK legally as an EU national qualified person from 1999 - 2005 and practically every year since 1998.As EU national, you automatically acquire the right of permanent residence in another EU country if you have lived legally there for at least 5 years continuously.
You can then apply for a permanent residence document, which confirms your rights to live in the country where you now live permanently, without any conditions.
Wise wrote:Noajthan has advised you at length and I gave him cudos for his contribution.
It's unfortunate that the Home office doesn't want to just loose the application fee for PR if not people like yourself would have just apply for Naturalisation with just 6 years of your treaty right. But you still have to proof what you already acquired automatically it's just ridiculous.
