Family permit application doubt

jrge wrote:

Instead of bank statements , a balance certificate in both names and the day the joint account started could be good?

So, are you suggesting a letter from our bank showing our current balance and the maturity of our accounts?. That's something we can do, but what exactly is behind this requirement besides snooping around? I feel that only our account should mind that.

Thank-you! ( I'm already on a countdown and am getting nervous)

I dont know we need advice,could you please share what are you going to send

No need to make it more complicated that it actually is. A marriage certificate and cover letter by the EU national should be more than enough to prove your relationship. If more evidence will be required, they will ask for it. Don't make it more difficult for you and the ECO.

toabetterchange wrote: I dont know we need advice,could you please share what are you going to send

I am going to send exactly what these nice people are suggesting:

* My passport.
* Certified copy of my wife's passport ( already done at the consulate in London)
* Certificate of marriage ( with apostille)
* A photograph of me
* A cover letter already written by my wife.

I believe that should satisfy their requirements.

jrge wrote:Any other advise in how to get around this?

I do not think there is anything that needs to be gotten around, is there? You simply do not send extra stuff that is intrusive and which is not required! Or am I misunderstanding your question?

http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2007/04 ... u-citizen/ is a list of things that need to be provided. Nothing additional needs to be provided if you are a primary family member.

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:

jrge wrote:Any other advise in how to get around this?

I do not think there is anything that needs to be gotten around, is there? You simply do not send extra stuff that is intrusive and which is not required! Or am I misunderstanding your question?

http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2007/04 ... u-citizen/ is a list of things that need to be provided. Nothing additional needs to be provided if you are a primary family member.

You clearly understood my point....! I absolutely refuse to send such of sensitive information, period.

That's the reason I asked if there was any other way " to get around it". For instance: a certified letter from a financial institution ( bank, credit union, etc) indicating your current balance, maturity of those accounts, account holders, etc. At the end, that's all they "might" need to know, if so, not where and how our money is invested/spent.

Thanks!

jrge wrote:You clearly understood my point....! I absolutely refuse to send such of sensitive information, period.

That's the reason I asked if there was any other way " to get around it". For instance: a certified letter from a financial institution ( bank, credit union, etc) indicating your current balance, maturity of those accounts, account holders, etc. At the end, that's all they "might" need to know, if so, not where and how our money is invested/spent.

Why do you think you need to send such information to start out with? I do not think you do.

There are only a very few types of relationship where financial information is important for an initial entry visa. e.g. if you are the "Dependant ascendant" of an EU citizen...

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:

jrge wrote:You clearly understood my point....! I absolutely refuse to send such of sensitive information, period.

That's the reason I asked if there was any other way " to get around it". For instance: a certified letter from a financial institution ( bank, credit union, etc) indicating your current balance, maturity of those accounts, account holders, etc. At the end, that's all they "might" need to know, if so, not where and how our money is invested/spent.

Why do you think you need to send such information to start out with? I do not think you do.

There are only a very few types of relationship where financial information is important for an initial entry visa. e.g. if you are the "Dependant ascendant" of an EU citizen...

I might be over analyzing it, and please correct me if I'm wrong.
According to: EEA Family Permit (VAF5 Dec 2008) Form:
* Part 8.10.12.
* Part 11 ( Supporting documents checklist)

I know this might confuse others, but it will also set a precedent to stop sending useless - unnecessary information/documents.

Thanks!

jrge, What is your exact relationship to the Eu citizen? Where are you and the EU citizen located now?

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:jrge, What is your exact relationship to the Eu citizen? Where are you and the EU citizen located now?

Spouse, we have been married for 18 years. My wife and son are already in London, while I'm still in the USA.

Like I said, I might be over thinking this, but I would like to do everything the right way.

I don't know if it makes any difference, but I hold a dual citizenship: Venezuelan - American.

Thank-you for your time.

jrge, you'll be pleasantly surprised. It should be very straightforward for you to get Family Permit to join your wife.

What is the citizenship of your wife? Is she working?

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:What is the citizenship of your wife? Is she working?

She's Italian, and is working. Not full time.

jrge wrote:I might be over analyzing it, and please correct me if I'm wrong.
According to: EEA Family Permit (VAF5 Dec 2008) Form:
* Part 8.10.12.
* Part 11 ( Supporting documents checklist)

This form although intended for EEA applications asks way far than it is needed legally. Same goes for the documents list (although it states it is your choice which documents to submit). They are just reusing an application form used for a different immigration route and never adapted it properly (for example, in the documents list they ask for the appropriate fee although this is a free application....)

If your wife is working in the UK, then there is no need to answer any of the financial question at all. Section 5 completely is irrelevant as your employment and/or financial are not relevant. It's the EU national status that matters. You can just write "N/A. My wife is exercising her rights as a worker in the UK".
Same goes for the size of the house in the UK, your expenses and if you plan to work in the UK or not.

It is natural that people always prefer to answer every question on the form "just in case" but it is not legally necessary and a decision can be made without providing every detail of your life. All is needed is proof of your wife exercising treaty rights in the UK + marriage certificate.

You do need to answer the questions about previous crimes, and crimes against humanity. You can, in theory, be refused if you are a national security risk, or a personal threat to big public policy. They can get away with those questions in order to assess...

But you do not need to answer any questions about your past or future work, or your or your wife's financial resources, or where she used to work.

All that matters is:
she is working (a pay slip!)
you are her spouse (marriage certificate!)
your passport!
her passport or ID card!

Read carefully: http://eumovement.wordpress.com/law-ecj ... ands-1991/

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:You do need to answer the questions about previous crimes, and crimes against humanity. You can, in theory, be refused if you are a national security risk, or a personal threat to big public policy. They can get away with those questions in order to assess...

Understandable and standard in any immigration process. That's why biometrics are so important nowadays.

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:But you do not need to answer any questions about your past or future work, or your or your wife's financial resources, or where she used to work.

All that matters is:
she is working (a pay slip!)
you are her spouse (marriage certificate!)
your passport!
her passport or ID card!

Well, once again I thank you for such a great info. I will apply as early as next week, and I will come back with the outcome.

Hi guys,
I am about to send my EEA2 to Liverpool, but have a few questions if any of you would be kind enough to answer or give me advice.

I have accumulated a large amount of documents for my application, but was wondering if I am about to send too much. I would certainly be intimidated if I received all my documents! Any hints from successful applicants?

Applying as unmarried partners, as long as we can show that we were in the same household, we do not need to show dependance. Is this correct?

My UK partner is returning to settle in the UK to study. He was exercising his Treaty rights working in France for 2 years. I guess I should just include the France part of his life in section 5 rather than his future studies in section 7, to highlight that he was exercising his rights before returning (I hope this is clear Confused ).

Finally, we have many photos which we could include. When we did the Family Permit in Paris, they took them but seemed to say they did not need them. Should we include them this time anyway? Trying to keep the documents we send to the right amount, not too many but not too little.

Thank you all for help.

NasEEA2 wrote:Hi guys

Please do not hijack other people's thread but open your own.

Your visa will be despatched shortly. Passports can normally be collected from the Visa Application Centre after 3 days. Applicants in Australia and New Zealand should allow 3 days before tracking their documents via the local post. UKBA-Manila Visa Hub


Thanks Guys!!! This was in less then 1 week!!!

toabetterchange wrote:Your visa will be despatched shortly. Passports can normally be collected from the Visa Application Centre after 3 days. Applicants in Australia and New Zealand should allow 3 days before tracking their documents via the local post. UKBA-Manila Visa Hub


Thanks Guys!!! This was in less then 1 week!!!

Congratulations...!

At the end, what supporting documents did you send?

toabetterchange wrote:Your visa will be despatched shortly. Passports can normally be collected from the Visa Application Centre after 3 days. Applicants in Australia and New Zealand should allow 3 days before tracking their documents via the local post. UKBA-Manila Visa Hub


Thanks Guys!!! This was in less then 1 week!!!

Congratulations, hope you two settle in nicely.

Thanks

I sent :

Relationship certificate

Bank Statements: just to show the day the account was opened, not the money

and 2 electricity bill with both names! the first and last one

and letter