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Postby crusador0408 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:14 pm

true...good posts above!
Good way is to talk less over the phone and asking them to send over details via email, also this way you get time to ponder over the vacancies and genuineness. If they really have something, they will send u job spec. otherwise nobody is gonna mail u.
I have my ILR since march 2013, previously based on HSMP+Tier1 ext. All views are my own, am not a professional on immigration matters.
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On agency of this type is PENTA CONSULTING..

Postby hsmp_indian » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:27 pm

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******* CONSULTING is a new agency with out any contacts. They normally put bad quality advts in JOBSERVE & other sites saying they are exclusive agents... From my experience (also 2 of my HSMP friends) they will try to get reference first ..including phone numbers..

They wil ask like "did you work with TOM JONES..?? " I normally say..YES..!!

Then they will ask which all inetrviews you attended..next question is "did James interviewed you..??"

BEWARE OF ********* CONSULTING...!!
http://www.**********consulting.com
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Postby UKindian » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:45 am

Hi Guys

For your information, i have also faced all this situation, if they ask for any reference i dont provide them normally. Still if agent says its their agreement with client & agency that they have to provide name, i would tell them, i would better skip this one and not interested for such type of client.

Also another way of identifying is they will ask for your daily rate, Eg: if you say i was getting £350/day, they will immediately reply, i can get you for £500/day, no agents will go up for such a high rate when a candidate is getting already £350/day. Then comes the main question, can you provide me reference name blah blah.....this wil clearly highlight what type of job is that agent talking to you.

Pleae beware...

Thanks
Goodluck
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Postby becool » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:09 pm

Thanks a lot guys..

I am in london looking for jobs from 2 months.
I get a minimum of 5 calls every day from agents.(all say they r forwarding my cv to the clients). Few agents say they are going to send me couple of job specs but i never receive them.
I was wondering why am i not getting a call for interview. I was thinking there may be a fault with my cv or my communication.
Today i came to know that most of them are bad quality. :?
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bad quality Agencies

Postby universalCitizen » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:10 am

Hi guys,

Yesterday, I got a call from an agency. And I realized he just wanted the companies names from me. I just remembered what was written on this forum. And straightway asked for if he had any offers why doesn't he come up with the company names himself. To this he stumbled coz he might not has expected this. Then I explored him a little more pushing him for giving me the exact specs or the company names. And the result was that he become nervous and hung-up. He was speaking something which was generic and didn't mean that he had any job-offers. So, Am pretty much convinced that such touts are all around. Just beware and judge the Agency before communicating anything to them.
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Postby itsme » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:52 am

well I too had similar experience before and totally vexed up. They play mind games and try to get more information if you are desperately looking for a job.


1) Ohh you worked you for xyz company, do you know Mr. ABC ? etc etc. => ou think the agent is genuine and trushtworthy and tend to give more information as he asks. You end up no emails/calls further.

2) I need 2 references from your old employers, this is mandatory as part of our screening blah blah. Like a humble guy I passed those details => they called my old/current employers and played double game... Mr.abcd in your department is looking for a job. I can fill his position with a lovely candidate.... he wants commission for placing and replacing me :-( As my manager is good enough, he warned me swiftly and advised to take care of such guyz.

3) You are CV is wonderful and one of my prestigous clients liked it.....I can get you a good hike with .. a,b,c,d benefits. But I need to know to which all companies you applied, agency names,managers you interviewed with etc..... ==> My CV/reputation got corrupted due to this

4) One lady talks sweetly (well as always)... asking too many personal things, r u married, have kids etc..........=> I think that they want to gauge responsibilities we have,,, so that we can spend more/less hours at new work place..

There are toooo many bunch of rogue agents who just fish the CV's. Later on with all the experience I speak / reveal information to guys only who ask 3 things straight away.

1) availability
2) rate
3) suitability with the role.

I might be wrong, but i find large recruitment firms are a bit better than small fishers. I always insists on email and never ever, give reference details before interview.

DONT GET EMOTIONAL &DONT GIVE REFERENCES BEFORE INTERVIEWS...

If you are bound to get a job you will, for sure. Have patience learn tips and tricks. Reciprocate according to agent's behavior. It's a rotten industry.Don't hesitate and dont reveal personal information.
Also try not to reply / apply to posts which asks tooooooooooo many skillsets which is virtually impossible for a single person. There are agents who will copy contents of your CV on to someone's. End of the day you look bad quality to employers.

IF POSSIBLE RELY SOLELY ON FRIENDS WHO CAN REFER YOU TO THERE CURRENT EMPLOYERS/AGENTS.THAT'S THE BEST IN UK AND IT WORKS LIKE A CHARM.
You Can Win. Believe in Yourself.
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Postby andn01 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:39 pm

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Postby raghu0307 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:41 am

what happened to the list of genuine consultants which was supposed to be posted and made into a sticky??
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how to get job

Postby saima shah » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:49 am

hi,
i want to ask something related to jobs...my hsmp is approved and now my passport has been submitted for stamp i just want to know that when i,ll come to uk then wht you think is the most important courses or something most important to gety thew job there ...
i ve read ur forum in which u mentioned that how u knew about those fishing agents...
plz let me know that wht wud be the best to gewt the job or wht the hiring companies ask from you in the interview which is the most important to get the job..

thanx
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Re: how to get job

Postby nshar1 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:46 pm

saima shah wrote:hi,
i want to ask something related to jobs...my hsmp is approved and now my passport has been submitted for stamp i just want to know that when i,ll come to uk then wht you think is the most important courses or something most important to gety thew job there ...
i ve read ur forum in which u mentioned that how u knew about those fishing agents...
plz let me know that wht wud be the best to gewt the job or wht the hiring companies ask from you in the interview which is the most important to get the job..

thanx
saima


Saima,
The job market is really bad.

You can have good hopes of landing into a job only when you have skills which are rare but still in demand.

There are too many people struggling searching for jobs. You need to bring something unique.

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How to treat these bad quality recruitment callers !

Postby Dave.HY » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:46 pm

Its an open fact that such callers have no clients and the sole intention is to extract information from the prospective employee (that is YOU) about the company that is hiring in recession and the contact person so that their Sales guys can hook up.

The genuine callers will call you up and start out telling you straightaway that they have a client based out of XXX location and who is looking for a
YYY developer for contract or permanent position.

I've been around for 2 weeks on Tier-1. I've 6 yrs of work-ex on .Net.
I've had 2-3 genuine calls among 20 bad quality calls as well though.

Here's my bit on how to drive the conversation with bad quality recruitment callers:

bad quality Agent: Hi, Can I talk to ...aa.... Mr. XYZ
You: That's right

bad quality Agent: Well, I've some good openings that match your profile....
How long have u been looking for job ?
YOU: Just opened up my CV 3 days back

bad quality Agent: Aww.. and how do you find the job market ?
YOU: Well, not too good for starters but, I'm getting decent number of
calls for my kind of profile ..I always do

bad quality Agent: Ohh...Great!!! and do you have any interviews lined up yet ?
YOU: Yeah not many, just 4-5 over the next week and the next

bad quality Agent: Ohh... and I was wondering which all comapnies are
they...I'm asking so just to ensure that I don't post your CV
again to the same employer
YOU : Well, I need to leave for some important work in next 2-3 minutes.... do one thing..., send me the client details you have and the Job Reference #...on my mail id...and I will check out and let you know accordingly if there's a conflict or not

YOU: Thanks for calling up. Cheers Bye

That'd server them well
... and there's always a way around
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Dun wanna waste ur time responding to bad quality calls - do this!!

Postby Dave.HY » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:56 pm

The moment you hear a recruiter call you up and ask you -

"How do you find the job market and if you have any interviews lined up yet?"

Answer it this way -

Your voice may be recorded for quality and performance reasons.

- Tuck.... and he will hang up right afterwards. Well that will save you time you can invest in learning Silverlight or NHibernate.

.... in the next post I'll explain how to make these bad quality callers call you back over and over again.

YES THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY AROUND

Cheers!
... and there's always a way around
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tactics of bad quality agents

Postby Jk2007 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:37 pm

Here are some other questions asked by bad quality agents / time wasters:

(1) Are you actively looking for jobs? How long have you been looking? (this is just to update their database with the list of active resumes)
(2) When is your current contract expiring? (this is to find if they can get any lead from your current organisation)

Some agents are so bad that they don't end the call even if you try to. Most of these bad quality agents / time wasters almost always call from an undisclosed number.
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Postby rohitktm » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:03 am

this is true. They ask if you have been interviewed for last 6 weeks and list the name of 3 companies.
I didn't know this was bad quality...but with some common sense and internal intuition, I informed "due to confidentiality propose not able to provide name of the companies and the application is still in process".
I just realize that I did right thing. :)
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Need Help

Postby girlinLondon » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:47 pm

Hi All,

I have been working with an Indian software company in UK for the last 1.5 years [ been in India for 2.5 months in between when they offshored me]. I came back in August and started looking for jobs while working for the same Indian comapany in UK. I got a call from an agent last week and they have an opening for TalkTalk and asked me if I would be ready for an interview.

It is a contract job for 4 months on a salary a little more than what I get in the UK now. He infact has scheduled an interview for me on Thursday.

Want to know the following:

1. Is it good time to shift from permanent job with an Indian software company to a contract job in the UK?
2. In the course of the interview can I ask, if they have any openings for a permanent job.

Please help me. I have never attended an interview in the UK so far.
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Postby tomkin » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:47 pm

First of all, are you eligible to work. I mean you cannot if you are on Work Permit (issued by this Indian co.)

You will not be able to contract unless you get a Tier-1 or WP with an umbrella co. if the loophole is still open.

If they offer you permanent role then you can ask them to re-apply for your WP.

As far as interviewing in UK goes, the more you practise the better it is.

Hope this helps
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Postby girlinLondon » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:51 pm

nileshratan wrote:First of all, are you eligible to work. I mean you cannot if you are on Work Permit (issued by this Indian co.)

You will not be able to contract unless you get a Tier-1 or WP with an umbrella co. if the loophole is still open.

If they offer you permanent role then you can ask them to re-apply for your WP.

As far as interviewing in UK goes, the more you practise the better it is.

Hope this helps


Yes I hold a Tier1 visa. Sorry to mention that in the post.
Regards,
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Postby tomkin » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:53 pm

Go for the interview. You have nothing to lose :)

Ask them if they can make it permanent.

What kind of work does it involve. I ask this as I have seen contractors working for non-stop 8 years in contract in some companies.

Your contract may get extended.
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Postby girlinLondon » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:54 pm

nileshratan wrote:Go for the interview. You have nothing to lose :)

Ask them if they can make it permanent.

What kind of work does it involve. I ask this as I have seen contractors working for non-stop 8 years in contract in some companies.

Your contract may get extended.


Thank you for the response.

The role is for a UAT analyst. I am a Test Analyst.
Regards,
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Postby krazydude » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:01 am

A small example of how recruitment companies send mails to get you to reveal names of firms currently recruiting

I have taken out names/particulars for privacy issues.


Dear xxxxx

I hope you are well. I have realised that it’s a while since we have caught up and so I just wanted to touch base and see if you are still looking for a new opportunity. As the market seems to be picking up slightly (those green shoots we keep hearing about!) we are seeing a rise in the amount of --- roles arising across a number of sectors in the --- .

So, basically, I just wanted to establish if you are still looking for a new position and how the job search is going. Would you agree that it seems to be picking up slightly? How is your search going – what companies have you already spoken with in your search? It also seems to be the case still that all the agencies are working on the same roles at the moment and so the team and I are spending a large amount of time calling candidates about roles that you’ve already heard about/interviewed at. As this is considerably time consuming for both you and I, I just need you to jot down details of interviews that you have previously had. I am meeting with a number of clients on Thursday and Friday and I will be back in on Monday of next week. I should however still be able to reply via email.

I hope all is well and look forward to hearing from you.

Regards





This mail was sent to me three weeks in a row (same content); post which I told them that you have my CV on file and if you have any confirmed job openings, then and only then, contact me and since then that they stopped mailing me.
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