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Beware of bad quality recruitment agents

Postby nshar1 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:40 pm

I have been in UK for almost 4 weeks and actively looking for a job.

I have been receiving calls from recruitment consultants regularly but off late I realize half of them are bad quality. These consultants contact you stating that they have some openings which match your profile but in order to avoid duplication of CV submission they ask you the name of the companies your CV has been forwarded to and where you are interviewing. And these are the names these idiots want from you. :evil:

Please please do not disclose any names of companies to these idiots. For one, they are misusing you and wasting your time and secondly it will harm the genuine recruiters who are helping us find the jobs.


Take my word these recruiters will never get back to you. These recruiters have no openings and are simply collecting names of companies which are hiring. :twisted:


My advice is simply tell them that your job applications are confidential and cannot be disclosed. After hearng this they will find an excuse and finish the call without discussing any opening(something which they never had :P )

In India, no consultant ever asked me - which all comapnies I had applied to or was interviewing with. Whats wrong with the ethics of these people.
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Postby runie80 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:30 pm

Good Post.

I have had couple of these "fishing" agents in past.

Sorry to hear that you have not been able to secure the job so far.

Are you sure you applying about 100 to 150 jobs a day minimum ?

I just got a message on my mobile today from gradjobs.

http://www.gradjobs.co.uk/reg_form.php

its on 7th and 8th march

They are having an exibition for recruitment.I am just posting here so if its any use to anyone.
Thankfully I got the job I wanted but I hear even some born and bread people here finding it hard to find jobs.I guess its just the economic slowdown effecting things.



I have no relation to the above link just posting it to help folks here.

Best of luck.

Make sure

Dress well
Be confident
Know your trade well
Interview practice
and a Good smile

You will get it :lol:

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Bad news
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx ... 30469.html

Good News
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ant103.xml
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Postby ashishashah » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:43 am

Very true..
I also get lof of calls from "Agents" who are phishing..They ask me same q.WHERE HAVE U APPLIED??..
So i ask them "R u calling to GIVE me a job??" or looking FOR a job??

Then they hang up.

I really cannot find out who is genine and who is not??
The IT market is crazy , there are very few (if any) and a lot of no. of candidates(even local)...
Problem is that even if they say that they r sending my CV to client, i NEVER hear back...They shd. have some courtsey to even drop me a line that my CV has not been selected /or they havent sent the CV AT ALL...

It has happened that i tell 2 agents to send my CV, one guy says that "Sorry the client didnt like your CV", while through other agent i got Interview..So u know that 1st agent NEVER sent your CV to cleint and he was LYING...

I say, dont worry abt. duplicating your CV, always say that i have just started applying yesterday
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Postby pyke » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:00 pm

Thanks for the warning! How do these bad quality agents get your number? Are they from sites you have registered with?
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Postby nshar1 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:04 pm

Pyke,
yes, these people get the number from one of the sites we have registered.

It gets really irritating when you get 3-4 back to back calls from these people.

Also, I fully agree with Ashish's advice - don't worry about the duplication of CV to a client.

The agents just can't be trusted. I have seen so many instances that these agents claim to be forwarding your CV to a client but then dont do it...sometimes the most genuine looking ones.
I once came across an agent who told me that he has contacts with most of the financial giants and he will represent me with all of those. He asked me to not to forward my CV to any of these big companies.... Unfortunately-I never heard back from him...fortunately- I hadn't believed him. 8)

Another observation - female recruitment agents 99% of the times mean business.

Shortly, I will list down, in a separate thread, few recruiters who mean business.

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Postby crusador0408 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:44 am

I am telling you not to worry about duplicacy and all.
If employer likes your resume, you will definitely get a call...
All these unscruplous people are part of society and something or else will remain coming in market , UK market is vast enough, so all this is part of it.

Incase, two resumes reach an employer, the one chosen earlier by employer will get the lead.

Good luck.
I have my ILR since march 2013, previously based on HSMP+Tier1 ext. All views are my own, am not a professional on immigration matters.
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Postby jd » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:47 pm

I'm here for about a month.

I'm really irritated with these bad quality calls. I've been telling them about all the details of my interviews but just wasted my time and i think my chances. I was such an idiot but only because i was not aware of this.

I think we should do something to spread awareness to all and specially newcomers.

I'm still very positive and have some interviews scheduled.

Regards,
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Postby chetanamale@gmail.com » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:30 am

guys, good discussion...can you list out mail ids of good agents here ?
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Postby pyke » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:13 am

Thanks Nshar1. Yes, that's a great idea. We should compile a list of good and unscrupulous agents here.

I retract that. It's against the rules.
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=24539

My apologies.
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Postby shads » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:36 am

I don't know anything about bad quality agencies, BUT agencies should check if you have already applied for a job through another agency before sending your CV to the client.

If the client receives your CV from two different agencies then it's very possible they will have to overlook you as a candidate. I don't remember exactly why this is, I think it's more about ethics than actual law.

So agencies do have a legitimate reason to ask what jobs you've applied for, and it's in your best interests to tell them .. but obviously, be sure it's not a scam before disclosing those details.
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Postby nshar1 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:24 am

The better way for an agent is to ask...I have a position with XYZ company..has your CV been forwarded to this company?

Asking 'which all companies your CV has been forwarded to and where all you are interviewing?' is unethical..Its none of their concern.
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Postby ashishashah » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:15 am

That is correct..Why shd . i tell him names of 10/100 Comapnies where i have sent my CV...It is easier for him to tell me the name of ONE compnay where he is sending my CV...

And i never talk to agents who ask such kind of questions...They are looking for some info. thats it...Rather then helping you, they will call up other 10/X companies whom you mention and try to send CVS to them...
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Postby Administrator » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:00 pm

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I'm going to "sticky" this topic for a while so that folks can see the warning.

Folks, any agency that asks you for info on your contacts is someone to immediately hang up on. An honest agency exists to help you find a job based upon your CV ... no honest employer cares if they get multiple copies of your CV.

One thing to take care about: know which employer you sent a CV to on which date, so that if an agency contacts them afterward there is no conflict over you getting credit for getting your own job without their help (that is one of the real reasons behind this scam).


If members here wish to make a listing of agencies that they can recommend as being honest, please do so & we'll make that a sticky.

HOWEVER ---

DO NOT (please!) list names of "bad agencies." For two reasons: liability & publicity (ANY publicity is better than they deserve).

Also, if you are willing to get a topic on it started, please try to keep chatter to a low level and try to post content when adding to the topic.


AND, anyone using this forum to falsely promote their own agency will be summarily banned. Members with direct experience as clients can recommend.

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Postby tral_hsmp » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:05 am

Hi All,

Last week I compiled a list of eight agencies in Central London and decided to visit them. Out of eight, three didn't exist at all on their address, and out of other five only in one agency, I had a proper discussion with their Recruitment Consultants for 15-20 minutes and other four just gave the email-id, which anyways I already had and told to send the CV through mail.

I think this means there are also agencies, which have only websites and doesn't actually exist. We register with them and they have all our details.

So please before registering with any recuruitment site try your best to make sure that it is not existing in air.

Wish all the best and success for all job hunters including me........
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Postby cskmail » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:22 am

Thank you for the information
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Postby abigailrachana » Wed May 21, 2008 11:01 am

It is a good discussion....

...be alert..... :twisted: :?
Moderator edit : This member has been banned because of advertising in their signature.
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Postby namastelondon » Thu May 22, 2008 12:24 pm

Once i went for an interview and the employer asked me that which agency have sent my profile. I was amazed by this question , then i came to know that my profile was sent by two agencies. I told them that i was in touch with XYZ agency and other agency(big agency) did not call me for this job.
It was enough to clear the doubt and i gave the interview and got thru.
Next day other agency guys started calling me and applogized for that.
So if some one asked u, infact u shud ask them the company name for which they are recruting. If they ask which companies are recruiting -Always give big companies names so that they cud not find the opening.

Some agencies are very fast in getting the feedback from the employers and some are not.
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Postby namastelondon » Thu May 22, 2008 12:45 pm

Most of the time i say to agents that i came recently to UK and i just starte searching for job.They think we are new so we may not know about the bad quality agency. Some asked me about the market and where i have given any interview.
I told one that i have given a interview in ABC company
Agency - Oh ABC company, I have 8-9 opening in this company. please let me to which manager u have forwarded ur resume so that i shud not duplicate ur profile. I know that he is bad quality , i disconncted the phone

Next time this guy asked some lady to call me and she told me an opening in the same company and i started explaning my interest. She thought that i will tell that i her the details about company and contract person. She told me that she will send her details and hang up

some agents call us with some job spec and they see that we might not have worked in some particular skill. They will ask about that skill and if we say that we have not worked in that, they will say this job is not for u and they will look for me, and then ask us where we are interviewing/market.I always use to say that i started searching and may be next week i may have a couple of interview but not yet scheduled.


Once i did not disclose the information, then the agent told me that the client are interested in those profile who are also interviewed by other employers also, so please let me know the name of companies who are also interviewing u.

I did noticed that there are female agents also who are bad quality.

This topic is very important for those who are new to UK and how to handle agents.

Genuine agents do not ask about other places u are interviewing. They will try to get u a job via them to get commission.
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hi

Postby rsathish » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:28 pm

Hi,

Very good post indeed. In my opinion, many of the high-street (Big name) consultants are more interested in their Commission rather than your career.

I guess the lesser known agencies are far better. I met a good lady at her small 5th floor office nr Liverpool st, with whom I spent more time discussing my career rather than the actual role.

Her advise, few like - Three or more temp jobs in your CV and you will be forever temping, and then permanent jobs will be nearly impossible to get were really appreciate, which none of the Big players care to give.

Thanks very much for this post by Sandy too - Tricks used by Consultants / Agencies
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=26865;

On the contrary, there was a remark by one consultant in another leading Recruitment agency, that some of the guys seeking employment tend to provide false references, documents or in even 1 case was working after visa expired. These kind of things they say, might end up in Companies suing the Recruitment agencies for Millions of pounds for not fully / correctly referencing employers (as they would get kicked by HO).

So, to summarise, maybe if we could trust each other and are both genuine in our approaches, everybody could benefit.

Thanks.
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Re: hi

Postby adils » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:08 pm

rsathish wrote:Hi,

Very good post indeed. In my opinion, many of the high-street (Big name) consultants are more interested in their Commission rather than your career.

I guess the lesser known agencies are far better. I met a good lady at her small 5th floor office nr Liverpool st, with whom I spent more time discussing my career rather than the actual role.

Her advise, few like - Three or more temp jobs in your CV and you will be forever temping, and then permanent jobs will be nearly impossible to get were really appreciate, which none of the Big players care to give.

Thanks very much for this post by Sandy too - Tricks used by Consultants / Agencies
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=26865;

On the contrary, there was a remark by one consultant in another leading Recruitment agency, that some of the guys seeking employment tend to provide false references, documents or in even 1 case was working after visa expired. These kind of things they say, might end up in Companies suing the Recruitment agencies for Millions of pounds for not fully / correctly referencing employers (as they would get kicked by HO).

So, to summarise, maybe if we could trust each other and are both genuine in our approaches, everybody could benefit.

Thanks.


Hi Guys,
Your quotes are really worth useful to keep in mind before making a mistake. I am currently in the US, got HSMP stamped on 14th April but before I wanted to resign my company to leave for UK, I got an assignment to go to US for 3 months.
If this is the situation running in UK then I am confused now that whom do I send my CV and whom not to.
Could you kindly share genuine consultants who forward your CV to the recruiters?
Thanks for all your support,guidance, and valuble discussions.
All the very best in your job hunting........May God bless you.
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