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edwinuk wrote:Documents we submitted are;
For my mother-in-law and brother-in-law;
-Applicant’s passport and passport photo
-Birth certificates of Mother-in-law and Brother-in-law
-Marriage certificate of my mother-in-law and certificate of no marriage of my brother-in-law
-Proof of medical condition for my mother-in-law inc x-rays.
-Graduation certificate of my brother-in-law from last course and enrollment certificate for november
-Sponsorship form (From parents and us)
-Letter from us confirming remittance (Managing the shop)
-Business permits (Under my wife's name)
-Completed visa application form – VAF1B
-Invitation letter from sponsor (From parents and us)
-Statement from myself and my wife inviting them
-Statement of my mother-in-law and brother-in-law about their intention to visit
-Evidence of accommodation i.e. copy of title/morgtage payments
-Home office letter confirming permission to stay in the UK of the sponsor(s)
o Proof of my Parents citizenship
o Proof of my Indefinite Leave to Remain status
o Photocopy of my Wife's passport/visa
-Payslips of sponsor(s) – 6x Months (My Parents, myself and my wife's)
-Bank statement of sponsor(s) – 6x Months (My Parents, myself and my wife's)
-Letter from myself explaining why I submitted a printed copy of my bank statement with bank stamp
-Bank Statement of my Brother-in-law (Proof of our monthly remittances)
-Employment certificate of sponsor(s)
-Family photos
Yes Edwinedwinuk wrote:Did you submit your sponsor's bank statements and payslips?
No property under her nameedwinuk wrote:You need to address your MIL's refusal first. What are the documents you submitted for her application?
To Entry Clearance Officer,edwinuk wrote:Would you mind sharing what you put on your cover letter or statement with regards to you MIL's status? I.e. Why is she coming to the UK, what her circumstances back home etc.
I mean the actual text on the cover letter you submitted previously to the HO.
Its my invitation letter ..so doesn't describe what they do back home..edwinuk wrote:These are your statement tho. Have you a statement from you MIL explaining in detail about her status? Similar to yours but explaining her side of the story.
Also have you the full text or statement from her spouse about supporting her?
What I am trying to establish is an explanation with regards to your MIL's status and life back home. ECO needs to understand what her situation is, if its incomplete they don't bother asking you how and when etc,.. They just want a story. A clear story of how, when, where and what. Get that right and you'll be fine.
Reading your statement doesn't really give much about your MIL/SIL's lives back home.
Thanks edwin...all of this was provided alreadyedwinuk wrote:Thanks for that. See below suggestions and feedback;
-APPLICANTS-
-Statement from your MIL and her spouse.
-Statement from your SIL.
-If SIL is student, letter from her school confirming leave.
-If SIL is working, letter from her employment confirming leave. Also include work certificates and payslips.
-SIL's bank statement if available. If there are lump sump deposits, explain and show proof where it came from and why.
-Provide proof of Marriage between MIL and spouse i.e. Marriage certificate
-Provide proof of ties between MIL and daugher/sister.
-Provide proof of "other son/brother" and "daugher/sister" in Pakistan and MIL/Sister's ties to them. i.e. Birth certificates and photos.
-Income of spouse needs a valid proof. I know you said he gets it in cash but you need something official i.e. is he paying taxes? Can you not get a tax receipt etc or social security contributions? Something to confirm there is "that" money. Letter from employment is good but you need to provide something better to back it up.
-If you send them remittances via western union or any other means, show and provide that as well and mention it on your statement.
-Title/Deed copy of property and possibly proof of billing of applicant's showing address is the same as the property being declared. Something official 1 or 2 receipts that are paid monthly. If not, can your local government issue a statement or possibly voter's registration card showing an address?
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-SPONSORS-
-Invitation letter from you. Something dramatic and detailed.
-Statement from you explaining your status here and few mentions of the status and condition of the applicants.
-Sponsor your MIL/SIL. Try to get a sponsorship undertaking and have yourself and your wife (If working) to sponsor them not just you.
-Your bank statements and payslips including employment certificates.
-Proof of property, something official confirming number of bedrooms. If renting, a letter from your landlord confirming that he's got no objection.
-If renting or mortgage, proof of payments.
*If you have your parents or close relative, get them to sponsor as well with the same documents i.e. work certificates/bank statements/payslips etc. I sponsored my MIL and BIL together with my wife and my parents. Invited them with reasons to meet some of our relatives here in the UK.
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-EXTRAS-
-You can create an itinerary for their trip i.e. where you plan to take them etc.
If I think of a few more I will add here. I am at work and rushed to respond to your post.
Yes I contacted them and the answer was (this was not a complaint)edwinuk wrote:Hmmmm... Have you tried contacting them via UKBI contact form and explain what happened? That is a bit odd.
Only problem I can think of is MIL's spouse's income really. I know not a lot of people pays taxes but proof of income will always be in a form of a payslip unless it is paid in case which will then be considered as self-employment and if taxes aren't paid then that does not look good.
Even if you were sponsoring them, ECO will need something to show how they maintain themselves back home. Unfortunately, a letter from employer without payslips or bank statement showing this will raise doubts.
Google says:edwinuk wrote:Bank statement isn't really important if you are sponsoring. Reading the refusal text, it is more likely that the ECO is not satisfied or your story does not add up - Not enough proof. I can only assume this is because the bank statements submitted are under your MIL's spouse. This is one. It isn't under her name hence the many questions. Second, where is the money and how is it getting there? Third, does she have access to these funds and is she able to use it? These are things that the ECO likely based his decisions.
A hotel paying in cash to it's employee? Who pays the tax? Is this legal in your home country? --- This just generates more questions regardless of a letter from her employer. This won't be questioned if only there is a payslip which are also reflected on his bank account and is paid bi-weekly/monthly etc.
Employment letter if not back by payslips does raise doubts. There are instances where a family member works for a company and issues a letter of employment etc. But with payslips, it takes into consideration the taxes which are clearly reflected on each pay. Taxes are via government which is considered official and can not easily be ignored.
The ECO's refusal stated that he's not satisfied with their financial situation i.e. they aren't sure how they are funding their day to day expenses back home which can mean that they can only assume that they have to look for an alternative source of income somewhere else which then flags the - "They will probably overstay" reason.
Totally agree with you with ECO's attitude towards balance of probabilities but without a solid official proofs it will all depend on whichever ECO reviews the case.
And yes, married couple for years perhaps longer than your MIL and her spouse does seek entry and overstays their visa no matter being away from their love ones for however long hence HO being extremely strict.