Older dependent relatives

c803487 · Post by **c803487** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:00 pm

For those of you stuck in this predicament, just want to let you know that charity BritCits is planning to challenge the ADR rules in court. They are raising money for the court case, the lawyers are going to be doing the job for free but court costs have to be borne.
This is presently the best course of action for those thinking of applying or going to lawyers themselves. It is better to join hands and work together to get these rules altered.

This is their donation page: http://justgiving.com/britcits1

BCMN1 · Post by **BCMN1** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:52 am

Dear Moderators, Guru's & Senior Members,

I would like to apply Indefinite Leave to Enter, for my mother(aged 74) and my brother(aged 34, has down-syndrome dependant on mother and myself). They both currently hold 2 years family visitor visas(been here twice and returned within 180 days).

I am a BC along with my children and my spouse is awaiting decision on her Naturalisation application(passed 6 1/2 months). I'll appreciate any suggestions to prepare successful application for both of them.

My mother is person of financial means and properties and we can sell an overseas property either to invest in a business or buy a house in the UK. But there is no permanent care taker for both of them, apart from myself.

My current salary is above 20K and can also accommodate them in my current house.

Thanks in Advance.

andy quattro · Post by **andy quattro** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:07 am

If your partner is British then your family can not get any special visa because of your marriage. If your partner is European, but not British all your family can get a visa for 6 months and it is free. Watch the 3 minute video and follow the links in the description to the government website. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGXQofH1zU4

angelalav · Post by **angelalav** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:30 pm

I am British citizen and would like my parents to come and stay with me Permenantly

here are the details
(1)My dad is 65 and my mom is 60
(2) my mom not very well with her health, with her back , she is not good with her memories and i think she has got depression like not happy and ect maybe because of their son left them alone , my dad 65 now getting old they live in 5th floor in a flat not lift he doesn't feel right with his breath when he is walking all them stairs
(3)I have only one brother , My brother lives in same country but they don't speak to each other, he lives with his wife separate from my parents , and he is not bothered to take care of my parents.
(4) They both are financially dependent on me. They have no source of income and no assests other then an apartment which they live in.
(5)I am sending them money through a money gram every month for PAST 3 years
(7) they come as a visitor every year to stay with me for 2 month , i go and meet them once every
I am married and have not got children, I am renting a 2 bed house, which have enough space to accomodate my parents

My questions are
(1) Is it possible that they come and live with me permenantly. Do i have a strong case
(2) Will the embassy/home office will create a problem because my brother is living in the same city however he is not bothered to take care of my parents. As well even he is financially he has not got source of income and he cannot take care of my parents
(3) Should they show thier health conditions to the embassy. Will this be a positive point or will they view it as a burden on NHS
(4) Will you advice me to consult a lawyer
(5)People say when both parents are 65 or over will be more easer to bring in the uk is it right ?
(6) Any valuable advise

Hope some one will help

Many thanks

Post by **Casa** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:40 pm

Do both of your parents require daily help from carers for everyday tasks such as washing, dressing, household tasks etc? Even if they do both require constant care, you have to show that you cannot afford to pay for this in their own country, or the care is not available. You don't appear to have a strong case and if you apply and fail, future visitor visa applications are likely to be refused.

angelalav · Post by **angelalav** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:59 pm

many thanks , that is what i am afraid for if they refuse then my mother depression will get even worse , if they even will not be managed to come uk as a visitor , but is it true when after 65 will be more easier to come for permanent? the end of they they will be old even witouth very seriouse ill thanks

Post by **Casa** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:13 pm

Age alone isn't the criteria under the tougher rules. If they don't both need the daily care to carry out basic everyday tasks then they won't qualify, whatever age they are. The most difficult issue is that if you can afford to pay for their care in the UK then the Entry Officer will take the view that you can afford to pay for it in their own country where the rate of pay will almost certainly be less.

angelalav · Post by **angelalav** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:35 pm

Thank you so very much for your advice

londonuk9 · Post by **londonuk9** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:48 pm

Hello

my brother is 26 but handicapped and need daily care.
my parents are above 55 .
which visa i can apply for my brother to call him to Uk?
do you know any expert solicitor for that please?

MandeepD · Post by **MandeepD** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:08 pm

[Contact me on 00000000000 and I can discuss it with you further"]I am British citizen and would like my parents to come and stay with me Permenantly

here are the details
(1)My dad is 65 and my mom is 60
(2) my mom not very well with her health, with her back , she is not good with her memories and i think she has got depression like not happy and ect maybe because of their son left them alone , my dad 65 now getting old they live in 5th floor in a flat not lift he doesn't feel right with his breath when he is walking all them stairs
(3)I have only one brother , My brother lives in same country but they don't speak to each other, he lives with his wife separate from my parents , and he is not bothered to take care of my parents.
(4) They both are financially dependent on me. They have no source of income and no assests other then an apartment which they live in.
(5)I am sending them money through a money gram every month for PAST 3 years
(7) they come as a visitor every year to stay with me for 2 month , i go and meet them once every
I am married and have not got children, I am renting a 2 bed house, which have enough space to accomodate my parents

My questions are
(1) Is it possible that they come and live with me permenantly. Do i have a strong case
(2) Will the embassy/home office will create a problem because my brother is living in the same city however he is not bothered to take care of my parents. As well even he is financially he has not got source of income and he cannot take care of my parents
(3) Should they show thier health conditions to the embassy. Will this be a positive point or will they view it as a burden on NHS
(4) Will you advice me to consult a lawyer
(5)People say when both parents are 65 or over will be more easer to bring in the uk is it right ?
(6) Any valuable advise

Hope some one will help

Many thanks[/quote]

MandeepD · Post by **MandeepD** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:11 pm

workhard25 wrote:Hope someone can help and guide me as i need to know how can i apply for elderly-dependant-relatives from within UK.

Please let me know if someone has any info?

Regards,
M Asif][Contact me on 00000000000 and I can discuss it with you further"]I am British citizen and would like my parents to come and stay with me Permenantly

here are the details
(1)My dad is 65 and my mom is 60
(2) my mom not very well with her health, with her back , she is not good with her memories and i think she has got depression like not happy and ect maybe because of their son left them alone , my dad 65 now getting old they live in 5th floor in a flat not lift he doesn't feel right with his breath when he is walking all them stairs
(3)I have only one brother , My brother lives in same country but they don't speak to each other, he lives with his wife separate from my parents , and he is not bothered to take care of my parents.
(4) They both are financially dependent on me. They have no source of income and no assests other then an apartment which they live in.
(5)I am sending them money through a money gram every month for PAST 3 years
(7) they come as a visitor every year to stay with me for 2 month , i go and meet them once every
I am married and have not got children, I am renting a 2 bed house, which have enough space to accomodate my parents

My questions are
(1) Is it possible that they come and live with me permenantly. Do i have a strong case
(2) Will the embassy/home office will create a problem because my brother is living in the same city however he is not bothered to take care of my parents. As well even he is financially he has not got source of income and he cannot take care of my parents
(3) Should they show thier health conditions to the embassy. Will this be a positive point or will they view it as a burden on NHS
(4) Will you advice me to consult a lawyer
(5)People say when both parents are 65 or over will be more easer to bring in the uk is it right ?
(6) Any valuable advise

Hope some one will help

Many thanks

Post by **Casa** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:54 pm

MandeepD I don't understand why have you re-posted this twice when the OP has already been given an answer?

michali · Post by **michali** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:58 pm

Just to confirm that adult dependant visas are very difficult to get. A close friend of mine, over seventy years old, still grieving over the loss of her husband and with strong ties to the UK has been denied such a visa. It was not surprising as she did not meet the criteria but her son applied for her regardless. She is on her own, thousands of miles away from her children and with no other family member at all. It is sad. I know sometimes the response is why don't the children go back and live with the parent(s) but the children were born here and my friend is not in her original home country. The rules are obviously very strictly applied. It is unfortunate that the visa for retired persons of means was eliminated some years ago. My friend would have been a perfect candidate for that as she does have assets and would certainly not be a burden on the state.

sugar40 · Post by **sugar40** » Fri May 08, 2015 3:35 pm

Hi please advise on getting my elderly inlaws to UK. Both of my husband parent resdies in India. They have 4 children , and all of them are in UK and have UK nationaility. My inlaws are over age 65 , maybe near to their 70. They are in good health except one of them have diabeties and blood pressure and general age issues. My father inlaw lives in his own house, recives pension . he has some savings both in UK and in Indian account.
As they are getting old, and feel alone in india. They like to join their children in UK on permanent basis.

I understand i can make an application for elderly dependent visa. But before i do , i just want understand the whole process and rate of success for application like this case.

Best Regards

RANA-ALI · Post by **RANA-ALI** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:25 am

Need help please moderators , gurus , members
After numerous represenations and fresh applications for my mother's stay in uk, home office refused very last application with right of appeal , in refusal they have address most of the issues that we highlighted before and they still not satisfied that she should be grant leave to remain in uk
My question is
Becuase i have very little knowledge of appeal process can somone guide me the procedure of appeal ,
Our current solicitor is as incompetent and lazy
as the one we had before (who
Messed completly the grounds of application)and never explain properly and never act as smart with paper work for home office as he act smart with us
It will be great help if i know the procedure before hand
According to solicitor he has sent permision to appeal
Does any one know what would happen next what are the option left , somone told me about one of good barrister for case but is it right stage to contact them
Plz plz help me if any one has any idea about this appeal procedur ,
Also solicitor sent me grounds of appeal after chasing him up for a month now in one of the point he got mixed up and sent a wrong point ? Is it possible to amend that
I ll be really thankful for ur input
Kind regards

avjones · Post by **avjones** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:28 pm

If you aren't happy with your solicitors, change them.

This is a very, very difficult visa to get. So it isn't possible to say what the chances are without detail.

What will happen once the notice of appeal is filed with the Tribunal is that you will get an acknowledgment of it and then a hearing notice. There might be a "CMR" listed, with is a Case Management Review. It's not that likely unless there are extra, complicated issues that you will need to attend this.

The full hearing will be at a Tribunal. You will need to serve a "bundle" in advance on the Home Office and the Tribunal, containing witness statements, any other evidence (such as medical, financial) relevant to your case, a chronology, and a skeleton argument.

Amanda

RANA-ALI wrote:Need help please moderators , gurus , members
After numerous represenations and fresh applications for my mother's stay in uk, home office refused very last application with right of appeal , in refusal they have address most of the issues that we highlighted before and they still not satisfied that she should be grant leave to remain in uk
My question is
Becuase i have very little knowledge of appeal process can somone guide me the procedure of appeal ,
Our current solicitor is as incompetent and lazy
as the one we had before (who
Messed completly the grounds of application)and never explain properly and never act as smart with paper work for home office as he act smart with us
It will be great help if i know the procedure before hand
According to solicitor he has sent permision to appeal
Does any one know what would happen next what are the option left , somone told me about one of good barrister for case but is it right stage to contact them
Plz plz help me if any one has any idea about this appeal procedur ,
Also solicitor sent me grounds of appeal after chasing him up for a month now in one of the point he got mixed up and sent a wrong point ? Is it possible to amend that
I ll be really thankful for ur input
Kind regards

xjhl · Post by **xjhl** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:07 pm

Hello there,

It is so sad to see there are so many unsuccessful cases here, just wondering if there is any successful case we could share and learn?

I am a chinese mum with a permanent resident visa, my husband is british and we have two little girls. My mum 65 is recently ill with lunch cancer, which she might not have much time left. She is here in the UK at the moment with a family visiting visa. She is weak but she is fit to travel, it's still so heartbreaking to see she needs to go back to China soon. And she might never could make back to UK again. My 6 years daughter asked me today, why grandma could not stay with us?

Just wondering if there are any way we could extend her visitor visa or swap to a different visa, so she could stay here with us? I do believe being with us will help her so much fighting with cancer. We have enough funding to pay her medical privately here, but don't know how to keep her here.

Hope someone could give us some suggestions. We will be so so appreciated.

Many thanks to you all.

avjones · Post by **avjones** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:17 am

Have a look a the Standard Visa for Private Medical Treatment:

https://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor-vis ... -your-visa

xjhl · Post by **xjhl** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:31 am

avjones wrote:Have a look a the Standard Visa for Private Medical Treatment:

https://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor-vis ... -your-visa

Thanks for your kind reply, could she apply this in the uk swap from her family visitor visa to this private medical visa?

avjones · Post by **avjones** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:14 am

She doesn't actually have a family visitor's visa, probably, unless it's an old, multiple-entry one. Nor is there such a thing any more as a Medical Treatment visa. They are both sub-divisions of the Standard Visitor's Visa, but you can stay for longer if the purpose is for private medical treatment. ANd yes, you can extend in-country.

xjhl · Post by **xjhl** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:54 pm

Thanks again for your information. My mum is having blood test every month and ct scan every three months to monitor the cancer movement. She has done all these in a local private hospital last few months while she is here, she is not having any hospital treatment at the moment part of some cancer tablets. I am wondering if home office will consider these regular blood tests and ct scans as a medical treatment and extend her visa. I just worried once we have apply a extension, if they refuse this application. She might not be able to come back again.

Many thanks again for your help.

avjones · Post by **avjones** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:11 pm

You need to look at the Rules and the Guidance, and the exact position your mother's in, and see whether she fits within the category, really.

RANA-ALI · Post by **RANA-ALI** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:40 am

avjones wrote:If you aren't happy with your solicitors, change them.

This is a very, very difficult visa to get. So it isn't possible to say what the chances are without detail.

What will happen once the notice of appeal is filed with the Tribunal is that you will get an acknowledgment of it and then a hearing notice. There might be a "CMR" listed, with is a Case Management Review. It's not that likely unless there are extra, complicated issues that you will need to attend this.

The full hearing will be at a Tribunal. You will need to serve a "bundle" in advance on the Home Office and the Tribunal, containing witness statements, any other evidence (such as medical, financial) relevant to your case, a chronology, and a skeleton argument.

Amanda

Thanks for ur reply
Do u know how long does it take to get acknowledement for appeal , according to solicitor they submit appeal more than month ago , after that cant get hold of the solicitor ,
Is there any way that we can check whether
he submitted appeal and if its on thier system now ?
Regarding changing solicitor we already change solicitor couple of year ago they all seems to be same , at beginning they give u high hopes but as time pass they start to act in same manners
dont know where to go from here, this case is already a mess and dont know how a new solicitor could do any thing different from the previous one, i know there is not much chance but we dont have any choice
Also as mention previously is it possible to amend ground of appeal as there is a mistake in the appeal grounds

avjones · Post by **avjones** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:58 pm

Yes, you can amend the grounds of appeal up to and including the date of the hearing

iamhuman · Post by **iamhuman** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:31 am

Hi All,

I am a UK naturalised citizen and wish for my mum to join be in the UK as she has several health conditions. Based on all the reading I've done, it seems the current legislation makes it near impossible to qualify under Adult Dependent Relative route and if one does apply, they risk losing the Visitor Visa route.

Is there anything in motion to bring about changes to these regulations? Are there cases of success stories?

Any info would be much appreciated.

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