English Qualification in 04/2015 Set(O) form

hi all,

i want to add that english language requirement might be completed by only submitting the previously submitted English language test results i.e. IELTS etc at the time of first initial application.

ILR21, please could you post the email address you used to contact the Home Office?

Thanks.

Hi Mate

So for UK Madter degree we dont need any letter from NARIC UK or do we need NARIC letter too along with UK Master degree. In new form UKVI has created more confusion most of the people are worried about English Language requirements.

Thanks
Regards
Kashif

No you dont need Naric letter. Your original UK degree and its transcript will suffice.

mzeeshan wrote:Hi

I have my ILR due in May 2015 and i have similar questions regarding the English language requirement.

I have got my Bachelor degree in Computer science from Pakistan and it was approved and shown by PBS calculator when i applied for Tier 1 General back in June 2010 ( as per rules placed after 06-April-2010). It was also available on the PBS calculator in 2012 when i applied for my extension in May 2012. Now the PBS calculator is changed after 06-April-2015. So in SET(o) 04/2015 version form, which option should i select under section 4 Knowledge of English and Life in UK /4.3 options combined with options in 9B Section = Qualification Assessment on page 38 of SET_O__Version_04-2015.pdf form.

Also do i need to fill the payment section if i am booking an online appointment PEO at the centre ?

Please help as this very confusing. Thanks in advance..

Looking forward to your expert opinion.

Best Regards,
M.Z

You need to show an IELTs test certificate (as well as LIUK) or other English Language test recognised by the Home Office as I doubt any Degree taught in Pakistan will award you the English Language points.

For the qualification points, you need to check the option "below" if you have previously submitted your degree certificate and been awarded the points for your T1 General applications.

"Qualification recognised on the points-based calculator and evidence submitted as part of
previous Tier 1 (General) application".

Many people are having this issue since the T1 General option has been removed from the points based calculator as they can no longer verify their degrees which had been previously listed there and they got points for it.

And yes, it is recommended to fill in the payment details if you have already booked an appointment and paid for the whole thing.

so which of the below would be marked on the ILR form when we submit life in UK results and expired IELTS origianl certificate:

A speaking and listening qualification at level B1 or above from the Secure English Language Test (SELT) list (Go to question 4.5 below); OR
• An ESOL qualification at Entry Level 3, Level 1 or Level 2 , that includes speaking and listening which has been regulated by the Office of Qualifications and Examinations Regulation (Ofqual). It must be listed as an ESOL qualification on the Ofqual Register and taken in England, Wales or Northern Ireland; OR
• A National Qualification in ESOL at Scottish Qualifications Framework (SCFQ) levels 4, 5 or 6, awarded by the Scottish Qualifications Authority (SQA); OR
An academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and:
˗˗UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or researched in English; or
˗˗the qualification was taught or researched in the UK or a majority English speaking country (other than Canada); OR
▪▪You are a national of a majority English speaking country (as in the list at https://www.gov.uk/english-language)

ResidentEvil wrote:

mzeeshan wrote:Hi

I have my ILR due in May 2015 and i have similar questions regarding the English language requirement.

I have got my Bachelor degree in Computer science from Pakistan and it was approved and shown by PBS calculator when i applied for Tier 1 General back in June 2010 ( as per rules placed after 06-April-2010). It was also available on the PBS calculator in 2012 when i applied for my extension in May 2012. Now the PBS calculator is changed after 06-April-2015. So in SET(o) 04/2015 version form, which option should i select under section 4 Knowledge of English and Life in UK /4.3 options combined with options in 9B Section = Qualification Assessment on page 38 of SET_O__Version_04-2015.pdf form.

Also do i need to fill the payment section if i am booking an online appointment PEO at the centre ?

Please help as this very confusing. Thanks in advance..

Looking forward to your expert opinion.

Best Regards,
M.Z

You need to show an IELTs test certificate (as well as LIUK) or other English Language test recognised by the Home Office as I doubt any Degree taught in Pakistan will award you the English Language points.

For the qualification points, you need to check the option "below" if you have previously submitted your degree certificate and been awarded the points for your T1 General applications.

"Qualification recognised on the points-based calculator and evidence submitted as part of
previous Tier 1 (General) application".

Many people are having this issue since the T1 General option has been removed from the points based calculator as they can no longer verify their degrees which had been previously listed there and they got points for it.

And yes, it is recommended to fill in the payment details if you have already booked an appointment and paid for the whole thing.

Hi ResidentEvil,

Thanks for the reply but i feel that you've made it even more confusing.

The option you referred in your reply "Qualification recognised on the points-based calculator and evidence submitted as part of
previous Tier 1 (General) application". Where did you find this ? could you paste a link or pointer for this please ?

2ndly, I think i have found this link https://www.gov.uk/english-language/app ... ifications to clear the confusion but i need you guys to read it and please confirm me whether i am correct in my understanding or not ?.

The excerpt from the above link is as follows :

If your qualification’s expired

Some qualifications on the Home Office’s list will expire after 2 years. Your qualification will still be accepted as proof if you’re applying for citizenship, even after it’s expired.

If you’re applying to settle in the UK, your expired qualification may still be accepted as proof if it was one of the following:

• previously accepted by the Home Office in connection with another immigration application, eg entry clearance

• awarded in the UK and is on the Ofqual register

You’ll need to have a certificate confirming your qualification or check that your online results can be viewed by UKVI.

now correct me if i am wrong here..

• IELTS is a type of english language qualification that expires after 2 years. Correct ? My IELTS result got expired in 2011.

Then it says

• If you’re applying to settle in the UK (which is ILR visa. Correct ?? ) your expired qualification may still be accepted as proof if it was one of the following

the first bulleted point above says

If your english qualification was previously accepted as part of your other immigration application e.g Entry Clearance . Now Tier 1 G visa is an entry clearance visa isn't it ?

I submitted the same expired IELTS result for my recent extension in 2012 which i submitted back in 2010 for my First Tier 1 G visa application. So as per above rule, do i need to submit an old expired IELTS result again for my ILR or i have to do it again ?

Looking forward to the clarifications. Please respond.

Thanks.
M.Z

Hi Zeeshan

The option you referred in your reply "Qualification recognised on the points-based calculator and evidence submitted as part of
previous Tier 1 (General) application". Where did you find this ? could you paste a link or pointer for this please ?


This appears on the form Set (O) Version 04/15 - Page 39

Also, you need to select

Evidence is not required for current application because it was submitted for a previous Tier 1
(General) application.

This is on Page 40.

IELTs is still valid as your English Language requirement for Visa. It is on the list of UK Home office recognised tests and your excerpt makes it very clear too. Just submit your old original IELTS test certificate (as well as LIUK) with the application and you will be fine.

Regards,

Hi All,

I would like to let everyone know that I got my ILR done at Croydon. It was very smooth process and I was out in little bit over 2 hrs. I booked the appointment of morning at 09:00 am but reached there at 08:00 am and process started at 08:00 am itself.

For english, I provided my degree again as I provided in first Tier1 application along with PBS summary taken using Tier2 route from PBS calculator as it was suggested in this thread earlier.

In form, I selected the two options:
• An academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and:

˗˗UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or researched in English; or

Also while I was waiting there in HO office, caseworker called me on my phone and asked me about why I haven't applied for my child. I explained to him, as soon as I get my ILR done, I'll apply for British registration and then passport. He sort of already knew my answer but I think they need to do this check for something so it's better to keep your phones ON and keep an eye on it especially if it is on Silent like mine.

Thanks to everyone who has helped me in sorting my questions.

Hi MeraTier1,

Thanks for sharing the information. Can you please confirm:
1) you have submitted your degree certificate and chose for Degree Taught in Engligh and recognized by PBS in previous Tier 1 application

2) You have written to UK NARIC and submitted their letter to confirm Degree recognised by UK NARIC

Did you submit both or only point (1) please.

Also, this holds good (only point (1)) for dependents as well?

thanks
Sam

Point 1 only. It is sufficient for dependant as well.

Meratier - thanks for sharing your experience with us,

So if I understand, you have used the new form after april 2015 and ticked against Naric options for english langauge.

Can you pl help me-
I have a graduation deg from India and on the PBS I can see my deg and it offers me 10 points. So can I go with a PBS printout with tier2 g and my original degree certificate for my english requirement-KOLL

For my deg qualification, I had used my ca degree with Naric letter..ie I had not used my graduation deg for my degree criteria.

Do I need any naric assessement for KOLL purpose? or just PBS/deg is enough ?

Hi, yeah used new form and selected earlier mentioned options in form.
I used the tier2 pbs summary which awarded me 10 points. Also gave original degree to support that. All this in KOLl section.
For degree section, I selected that I have already provided my qualification during previous application. Hope this helps.

hi Resident Evil,

Thanks for your info of page 39-40 i would also like your help in confirming that when we select :
"Qualification recognised on the points-based calculator and evidence submitted as part of
previous Tier 1 (General) application" AND
Evidence is not required for current application because it was submitted for a previous Tier 1
(General) application.
do we still need to submit any evidence i.e. UK naric OR PBS calculator OR original degree once above options are selected?????

i also want to add the Immigration Directorate Instructions confirms on page 17

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _6a_01.pdf

"Documents required
An applicant who has previously been given permission to stay in the United Kingdom under Tier 1 (General) or the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme, and previously scored points for the same qualification for which he/she wishes to claim points in his/her current application, does not need to send evidence of his/her qualification again."

can someone plz comment on my query?
thanks in advance

Hi All,

UKBA released another version of the Set (0) form but the confusion continues in the new version 05/15 .
More main and more uncertainties for us.

there are other documents posted on UKBA website which tells that we need not submit NARIC application and evidence previously submitted for Tier 1 extensions would be sufficient to prove English language requirement for ILR but I am disappointed why they have not incorporated these changes in the new version of application Form and are we suppose to Carry printout of all these Scattered UKBA Addendums /appendix along with us to stop the Case worker taking incorrect decisions.

Cheers
Anand

Hi guys ...your suggestions are sought

I will be applying for ILR by end of June'15. I am not pretty clear on English language requirement.

I was given 10 points for English language requirement (based on my B.Sc Civil engineering degree and English language certificate from UET LAHORE) during entry clearance and further leave to remain. My university is in the list of approved NARIC university and secure 30 points on PBS for qualification.

As the new ILR application form has no provision to tick the box saying "English language requirement met in previous application", I applied to NARIC for level of English language assessment. I was shocked to see the result that degree is equivalent to level B1 but not C1 of CEFR. I believe it's the level C1 which is required for tier1 ILR. I am surprised as I was given 30 and 10 points (in June ,14 for further leave to remain) attributed to my degree for qualification and English language.

Please share your opinion guys ...that would be much appreciated

Thanks

ILR21 wrote:Hi All,

I have a some clarification from SettlementOpsPolicy. Its looks like NARIC letter is not mandatory and PBS printout for Tier2(General) along with the degree certificte will suffice the language requirement. See below the email transcript --

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My original request -
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Dear Sir/Madam,

I am applying for ILR at a PEO on 10th April under Tier1 General route.

May I request clarification on how to meet the KOLL requirements, in particular the knowledge of English Language for ILR after changes to the application form and the online PBS calculator since 6th April 2015.


Could you please clarify the following -

1. The old application form had the following option for section 4.3 -
"A degree taught or researched in English", which isnt there in the new application form.

The new online PBS calculator (since 6th April 2015) no longer has a Tier1 General Option.

So if one of the means of proving the language requirement before 6th April 2015, was to supply the degree certificate and a printout of the PBS calculator, what is the acceptable corresponding approach to prove English Language requirement with the new application form?

2. Alternatively, as I had booked my appointment before the new application form was rolled out (wef 6th April 2010), Is it acceptable to make an application using the old application form in use before 6th April 2015.

Many Thanks.
Kind Regards


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Reply from HomeOffice -
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Thank you for your e-mail.



If you have already booked a Premium Service appointment the fee for your application will be the one that was in place when you made the appointment.

You should use the new version of the application form which is available on our website.

You also asked about using the Points Based calculator to show your level of English to apply for settlement.

As you are aware, the Tier 1 General route closed on 6 April. Please follow the process below to determine whether your degree is acceptable for Settlement and Nationality.

1. Tier dropdown: select Tier 2 (Skilled workers);
Category drop-down: select Tier 2 (General); ‘Where are you applying from?’ question: select Outside the United Kingdom (this is the quickest way to get to the required stage in the system)

2. In the following ‘Sponsorship’ and ‘Salary’ stages select either Yes or No; (doesn’t matter which)

3. In the ‘English skills’ stage, select "I have a UK Bachelor degree-equivalent qualification (or above) that was taught in English"

4. Enter details of the qualification in the following drop-down lists, up to and including ‘Year of award’

5. In the table displayed on the next screen, check the Points for English language column:

a. If 10 points are displayed, the qualification has been deemed by UK NARIC to be academically equivalent to a UK Bachelor degree or higher and to have been taught in English;

b. If zero points are displayed, the qualification may either have been deemed to be below UK Bachelor degree level, or not taught in English, or both.

I hope this helps.

Yours sincerely,

Jane Whitehead

Jane Whitehead
Nationality and Settlement Operational Policy, Immigration & Border Policy, Home Office
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I plan to take a printout of this email communication for just in case there are any issues at the PEO.

Good Luck All

Hi ILR21

Have you applied using the above points and hope you're application is successful? Could you advise us as it will be really helpful for us to submit the applications.

anandpathak wrote:Hi All,

UKBA released another version of the Set (0) form but the confusion continues in the new version 05/15 .
More main and more uncertainties for us.

there are other documents posted on UKBA website which tells that we need not submit NARIC application and evidence previously submitted for Tier 1 extensions would be sufficient to prove English language requirement for ILR but I am disappointed why they have not incorporated these changes in the new version of application Form and are we suppose to Carry printout of all these Scattered UKBA Addendums /appendix along with us to stop the Case worker taking incorrect decisions.

Cheers
Anand

I would like to provide an update that my ILR application got successful at PEO without any issue.
I had submitted PBS printout for me and my dependent spouse using tier 2 option instead of Tier 1 and original degree certificate.
I got my ILR approval same day and got my BRP after 5 days
Good luck to all.
Now the countdown for Citizenship starts