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Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Beamsley » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:28 am

I am from India and have been living and working in the UK for six and a half years as a Doctor. My husband was born in the UK and his mother was born in Tipperary. He has a UK and Irish passport.

Can I apply for an Irish passport?

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by max307 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:04 am

Unfortunately you can’t apply for an Irish passport, you will need to be physically residing in Ireland with your Irish spouse for at least 3 years. Below is the process you will need to follow to enter Ireland legally and apply for a Stamp 4 (permission to reside and work based on your marriage to an Irish citizen).

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP07000024

After 3 years or residence in Ireland you can apply for a Certificate of Naturalisation (Irish Citizenship), see below the conditions for naturalization.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP11000014

With your Certificate of Naturalisation you can then apply for an Irish Passport.

https://www.dfa.ie/passports-citizenshi ... -passport/

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Beamsley » Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:09 am

Thank you very much for that. I really appreciate how you've laid that out; it makes it so simple to follow.

I had hoped my husband, our daughter and I could have travelled on the same passport types rather than me having to go through Non-EU queues. The UK is becoming less helpful for overseas nationals.

Thanks again.

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by max307 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:17 am

You are very welcome!

Are you able to apply for a British passport? The UK has similar laws in terms of residence (3 years), given that your spouse is a British citizen and you have been living in the UK for more than 6 years it sounds like a great option for you.

https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-c ... sh-citizen

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Casa » Thu Oct 06, 2016 11:52 am

This is strange. In September you posted that your wife was applying for FLR(M). :?

http://www.immigrationboards.com/immigr ... l#p1398192

Care to explain?
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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Beamsley » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:30 pm

In the UK, you have to be on the same visa for 5 years before applying for Indefinite Leave to Remain and then UK citizenship/passport. I was hoping the Irish system might be shorter or more suitable.

Casa, you may be a moderator but your approach is very rude. It isn't hard to work out both husband and wife have submitted posts on here.

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Casa » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:45 pm

With respect, it would be helpful if you could state that two people are using the same log-in .

I'm not sure how moderators could be expected to guess that you are husband and wife. :idea:
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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by noajthan » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:48 pm

max307 wrote:You are very welcome!

Are you able to apply for a British passport? The UK has similar laws in terms of residence (3 years), given that your spouse is a British citizen and you have been living in the UK for more than 6 years it sounds like a great option for you.

https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-c ... sh-citizen
This is incorrect and quite misleading. Contrary to reports in certain areas of mass media (for example), passports are not handed out like candy bars and certainly not "after 3 years".

And with no obvious connection to Ireland you would appear to have no claim on Irish citizenship let alone the privilege of an Irish passport.
All that is gold does not glitter; Not all those who wander are lost. E&OE.

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Beamsley » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:27 pm

noajthan wrote:
max307 wrote:
And with no obvious connection to Ireland you would appear to have no claim on Irish citizenship let alone the privilege of an Irish passport.
This is incorrect and misleading. As the wife of a person holding an Irish passport there is both an obvious connection and a justified claim to the passport.

This has just been confirmed by the Chief State Solicitor's Office in Dublin.

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by noajthan » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:43 pm

Beamsley wrote:
noajthan wrote:
max307 wrote:
And with no obvious connection to Ireland you would appear to have no claim on Irish citizenship let alone the privilege of an Irish passport.
This is incorrect and misleading. As the wife of a person holding an Irish passport there is both an obvious connection and a justified claim to the passport.

This has just been confirmed by the Chief State Solicitor's Office in Dublin.
Suggest 'chief' checks with INIS:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/mo ... riage.html

OP (you) have not said anything about living in Eire & etc etc. And 2nd poster already explained it to you.
You are not Irish.
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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Beamsley » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:52 pm

The CSSO would disagree with you as would I but I do thank you for your input.

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by chaoclive » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:17 pm

Beamsley wrote:
noajthan wrote:
max307 wrote:
And with no obvious connection to Ireland you would appear to have no claim on Irish citizenship let alone the privilege of an Irish passport.
This is incorrect and misleading. As the wife of a person holding an Irish passport there is both an obvious connection and a justified claim to the passport.

This has just been confirmed by the Chief State Solicitor's Office in Dublin.
If only it were that easy!

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by chaoclive » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:26 pm

Beamsley wrote:The CSSO would disagree with you as would I but I do thank you for your input.

They would be VERY wrong. If this was still possible, I'd be using that route for my civil partner.

See here:
http://www.migrantproject.ie/images/interior12.pdf
http://www.irishabroad.com/travel/irish ... riage.aspx

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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by Casa » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:29 pm

chaoclive wrote:
Beamsley wrote:The CSSO would disagree with you as would I but I do thank you for your input.

They would be VERY wrong. If this was still possible, I'd be using that route for my civil partner.

See here:
http://www.migrantproject.ie/images/interior12.pdf
http://www.irishabroad.com/travel/irish ... riage.aspx
Good to have you back on the forum chaoclive. We've missed your knowledge, particularly in this area of immigration.
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Re: Married to the son of an Irish citizen

Post by noajthan » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:40 pm

Beamsley wrote:The CSSO would disagree with you as would I but I do thank you for your input.
To be fair to the chief you have probably misunderstood her and/or misrepresented your circumstances to her.
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