Calculating "Reckonable Residence" for Citizenship

hi there,

When calculating "reckonable residence" in the State for Citizenship purposes, do periods spent on "Tourist - C Type" Visas count? According to CitizensInformation.ie, they say the following:

Certain periods of residence do not count for the purpose of reckonable residence, for example, periods when you did not have permission to remain in Ireland, or you were here on a student visa, or you were seeking asylum.

They do not specifically mention periods where you were on a Temporary Tourist visa. Has anyone had experience of this? Do these periods count?

Thanks

scrudu wrote:hi there,

When calculating "reckonable residence" in the State for Citizenship purposes, do periods spent on "Tourist - C Type" Visas count? According to CitizensInformation.ie, they say the following:

Certain periods of residence do not count for the purpose of reckonable residence, for example, periods when you did not have permission to remain in Ireland, or you were here on a student visa, or you were seeking asylum.

They do not specifically mention periods where you were on a Temporary Tourist visa. Has anyone had experience of this? Do these periods count?

Thanks

check with immigrant council of ireland. they have pretty good info for this.

basically need to have held either a stamp 1 (work permit/visa) or stamp 4 (either via long term residency or refugee status or other) for 5 contionous years.

and not have relied upon state resources (ie certain social welfare except child benefit) be self sufficent for 3 years prior to application. basically be self sufficent.

and of course no convictions

NO they do not count.....only the periods in the state while on a stamp 1 or 4 . . . . if you rite a letter to the GNIB requesting your R.R they will reply takes 1 / 2 months

Laoch na hEireann wrote:NO they do not count.....only the periods in the state while on a stamp 1 or 4 .

And your reference to the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 2004 is ... ?

Laoch na hEireann/Walrusgrumble: Where are you getting your information about needing a stamp 1 or stamp 4? Is this written anywhere? Please post any ref's.

My husband entered on a C-Tourist Visa stamp so we could get married here (no fiancé visa in Ireland), and I want to know if this period spent in Ireland counts, or only when he subsequently entered the country on his D-Spouse (converted to Stamp 4) visa. As a spouse of an Irish citizen, he requires only 3 years of residency. Self sufficiency and lack of convictions are not an issue.

scrudu wrote:Laoch na hEireann/Walrusgrumble: Where are you getting your information about needing a stamp 1 or stamp 4? Is this written anywhere? Please post any ref's.

My husband entered on a C-Tourist Visa stamp so we could get married here (no fiancé visa in Ireland), and I want to know if this period spent in Ireland counts, or only when he subsequently entered the country on his D-Spouse (converted to Stamp 4) visa. As a spouse of an Irish citizen, he requires only 3 years of residency. Self sufficiency and lack of convictions are not an issue.

3 years of reckonable residency. Time spent as a tourist or student (Stamp 2) does not count. Time spent on a work permit does count (Stamp 1), as would time spent with permission to reside and work without a work permit (Stamp 4).

See also Becoming an Irish citizen through marriage.

I read on that site Becoming an Irish citizen through marriage:

Certain periods of residence do not count for the purpose of reckonable residence, for example, periods when you did not have permission to remain in Ireland, or you were here on a student visa, or you were seeking asylum.

But applying for a C visa to enter Ireland does grant you "permission to remain in Ireland". I presume they have specifically called out Students here, as they intent of their stay is not supposed to be towards any "long term" aim, rather just to get their education, and Asylum seekers as they do not have any permission to remain in the country while an asylum seeker (i.e. have not applied in advance for any visa). It may well be the case that they do not count time spent on C Visas, but I do wonder why they didn't specifically call out "time spent on temporary/tourist visas" in the above text if they don't count this time towards reckonable residence.

have you figured out if its counted or not?