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Re: I am really confuse !!!! can anyone help me please

Post by vinny » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:37 pm

From the word "and" in 48(7), they may have expected both you and your former representative to also immediately notify the Tribunal and the other party [in writing] of that fact.
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Re: I am really confuse !!!! can anyone help me please

Post by Obie » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:43 pm

Precisely Vinny. Not only should the old rep had informed the tribunal in writing, the new reps should also have notified the tribunal in writing, not on the day of the hearing, without a written notification.

If the old rep informed , the new rep got a letter of Authority from OP and forward to tribunal ASAP, then Tribunal would have been on the wrong.

Unless OP is not giving us accurate information, it seems to me ,that the correct steps were not followed.

It might have been followed now, but certainly not when this thread was opened, going by OP s post.
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Re: I am really confuse !!!! can anyone help me please

Post by meet2mustafiz » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:52 pm

Obie wrote:
[b]Representatives ( Current Provision)[/b] wrote: 10.
—(1) A party may be represented by any person not prohibited from representing by section84 of the 1999 Act.

(2)Where a party is or has been represented by a person prohibited from representing by section84 of the 1999 Act, that does not of itself render void the proceedings or any step taken in the proceedings.

(3)If a party appoints a representative, that party (or the representative if the representative is a qualified representative) must send or deliver to the Tribunal written notice of the representative’s name and address, which may be done at a hearing.

(4)Anything permitted or required to be done by a party under these Rules, a practice direction or
a direction may be done by the representative of that party, except signing a witness statement.

(5)A person who receives notice of the appointment of a representative—

(a)must provide to the representative any document which is required to be provided to the
represented party, and need not provide that document to the represented party; and

(b)may assume that the representative is and remains authorised as such until they receive
written notification that this is not so from the representative or the represented party.




(6)As from the date on which a person has notified the Tribunal that they are acting as the
representative of an appellant and has given an address for service, if any document is provided to
the appellant a copy must also at the same time be provided to the appellant’s representative.
[b]48 Representation (Old Provision)[/b] wrote: (1) An appellant or applicant for bail may act in person or be represented by any person not prohibited from representing him by
section 84 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999.

(2) A respondent to an appeal, the Secretary of State or the United Kingdom Representative may be represented by any person authorised to act on his behalf.

(3) If a party to whom paragraph (1) applies is represented by a person not permitted by that paragraph to represent him, any
determination given or other step taken by the Tribunal in the proceedings shall nevertheless be valid.

(4) Where a representative begins to act for a party, he must immediately notify the Tribunal and the other party of that fact.

[(4A) Where a notice of appeal, or an application for bail under rule 38, is signed by a representative, the representative will be deemed to have notified the Tribunal and the other party that he is acting for a party in accordance with paragraph (4).

(4B) Where a notice of appeal, or an application for bail under rule 38, is not signed by a representative, the
representative must file a separate notice with the Tribunal and serve it on the other party to comply with his
obligations under paragraph (4).]

(5) Where a representative is acting for a party, he may on behalf of that party do anything that these Rules require or permit that party to do.

(6) Where a representative is acting for an appellant, the appellant is under a duty—

(a) to maintain contact with his representative until the appeal is
finally determined; and
(b) to notify the representative of any change of address.

(7) Where a representative ceases to act for a party, the
representative and the party must immediately notify the Tribunal and
the other party [in writing] of that fact, and of the name and address of any new representative (if known).


(8) Notification under paragraph (4) . . .—

(a) [where a representative is appointed to act for a party on the day of a hearing,] may be given orally at [that] hearing to the Tribunal and to any other party present at that hearing; but

(b) must otherwise be given in writing.

(9) Until the Tribunal is notified that a representative has ceased to act for a party, any document served on
that representative shall be deemed to be properly served on the party he was representing.
Suffice to say that rule 48(7) of the rules in place at the time of your appeal was not complied with.

The Tribunal are clearly in the right here.
Dear Obie
I don't know why you are keep telling that Tribunal are right.My solicitor have evidence that he inform Tribunal on time that he is my legal representative.
However, I contract with Tribunal through email,explain everything and their final reply is-they are going to re-send the determination letter to my address and my solicitor's address.

When I will get the determination letter then how many days I have to apply permition for appeal ? 5 days or according to new regulation 14 days? thanks

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Re: I am really confuse !!!! can anyone help me please

Post by Obie » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:57 pm

Mustapha I have nothing against you or your solicitor.

I am simply stating the law based on what you told us.

When the Tribunal reserve their letter on you, it will explain you appeal rights.
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Re: I am really confuse !!!! can anyone help me please

Post by meet2mustafiz » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:48 am

Obie wrote:Mustapha I have nothing against you or your solicitor.

I am simply stating the law based on what you told us.

When the Tribunal reserve their letter on you, it will explain you appeal rights.
I like to share my case's update with you.My determination letter was sent into my previous solicitor's address who wasn't representing me.according to my present solicitor's statement -before hearing he inform tribunal that he is my legal representative and also with bundle of document he attached letter that he is solicitor.after we found that my determination sent into wrong address my solicitor contract with Tribunal couple of time and no response from tribunal.But when I contract with tribunal they response within 1 day.I explained my situation and request to resend the determination to my solicitor.within 1 week Tribunal sent determination letter to my solicitor with 14 days time line.So,I received my determination letter after 5 month of waiting when 1st determination was sent to my previous solicitor on 8th July.I asked for permission to appeal to FTT on last day on 17.12.14.If ALLAH wants I am eligible to apply for ILR on 3rd of August 2015.

Because tribunal re-send the determination letter with 14 days time limit for appeal,so we didn't had to show the reason of out of time appeal-does it mean tribunal realized their mistake ? this 5 mounts could create problem during ILR application ? How can I make 10 years by rest of appeal process and a fresh application within correct time limit according to current rules ?

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