First British For Children Born and Living in Pakistan

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:53 pm

Dear Sir/Madam,

If my following query is not directly related to you, please advise how can I reach to right person or department who can help me in answering my questions.

Scenario
I obtained Indefinite Leave To Remain after living in the UK for five years in Tier1 General category and later obtained British Citizenship through naturalisation process. I am also a Pakistani citizen. I married to my wife (Pakistani national) and have 2 children born in Pakistan after my British Citizenship. Now I would like my wife and children to come and live with me in the UK. What path shall I follow?
Questions

Can I directly apply for British passport for my children born and currently living in Pakistan based on my British Citizenship? If yes, please advise how?

If Not, Can I register them as British Citizen in Pakistan? If yes, please advise how? if not again then what path shall I follow to bring my wife and children to UK.

I called UKBA call centre and searched a lot on UKBA website but no joy.

I really appreciate your help, support and guidance.

Kind regards,

Shakil

Post by **CR001** » Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:15 pm

As your children were born abroad AFTER you became British (i.e. attended your ceremony), then they are British by Descent and can apply directly for a passport.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... -apply.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... -notes.pdf

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:35 pm

Many thanks for your guidance and information.

in the list of documents C2 application form is advised but i only been able to find C2 notes. Can anyone please provide C2 application form.

there is another form available on Gov.uk website at the following link:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ation-form

Now i am confused which application form shall i fill i.e. C2 or the one available on the given link.

Can you very kindly provide a list of documents i need to provide.

Has anyone recently been through my scenario and has successfully application.

Thanking you all for your help, guidance and support.

kind regards,

Shakil

Post by **vinny** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:59 pm

Overseas British passport applications.

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:48 pm

in the list of documents C2 application form is advised but i am only able to find C2 notes. Can anyone please provide C2 application form.

there is another form that is OS available on Gov.uk website at the following link:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... rm_009.pdf

Now i am confused which application form shall i use i.e. C2 or OS Form.

Can you very kindly provide a list of documents i need to provide.

Has anyone recently been through my scenario and has successfull application.

Thanking you all for your help, guidance and support.

kind regards,

Shakil

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:14 pm

It's bit tweaky... there is another form that is OS available on Gov.uk website at the following link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... rm_009.pdf

Now i am confused which application form shall i use to apply for my children born after my british citizenship and currently living in pakistan i.e. C2 or OS Form.

Can you very kindly provide a list of documents i need to provide.

Has anyone recently been through my scenario and has successfull application.

Thanking you all for your help, guidance and support.

kind regards,

Shakil

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:19 am

Can anyone please help me with my query post earlier. i really need help as i am bit confused and would like to apply ASAP. anyone who has successfully applied for his/her passport of a child born and lived abroad to a british parent.

Anxiously waiting for help.

thanks Shakil

Post by **vinny** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:22 am

vinny wrote:Overseas British passport applications.

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:47 am

Many thanks vinny for your reply and information. i have been through that link many times and its asking to fill OS form whereas when i look at the following link it requires C2 form and that's confusing.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... -apply.pdf

i dont know what application form shall i use OS or C2. Also what documents i need to prepare from the UK and what we should supply with application in Pakistan.

i really appreciate your help. thanks Shakil

Post by **vinny** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:38 am

That document was published in 19 March 2013 by the FCO.

It's probably out of date, as the HMPO is handling passport applications now.

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:32 pm

Me and my wife born in Pakistan. I am also a British Citizen through naturalisation. My children born after my citizenship. I read somewhere that passport applications are taking long time for processing in Pakistan and are being returned for not valid reasons. I am in the UK and my wife and children are in Pakistan. Can i please ask what documents i need to provide for my children british passport from pakistan. Do i need to send my original British passport, Naturalisation Certificate, bank statements, proof of address in the uk etc or colour copies of all will be enough. Please also confirm how long British passport applications are taking and is there any interview. if yes, do i have to be in Pakistan to attend interview.

Can i apply for right of abode for my children. i even dont know the time frame ROA applications and requirement. anyone, please help.

humawakas2014 · Post by **humawakas2014** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:34 am

shakil.saif79 wrote:Me and my wife born in Pakistan. I am also a British Citizen through naturalisation. My children born after my citizenship. I read somewhere that passport applications are taking long time for processing in Pakistan and are being returned for not valid reasons. I am in the UK and my wife and children are in Pakistan. Can i please ask what documents i need to provide for my children british passport from pakistan. Do i need to send my original British passport, Naturalisation Certificate, bank statements, proof of address in the uk etc or colour copies of all will be enough. Please also confirm how long British passport applications are taking and is there any interview. if yes, do i have to be in Pakistan to attend interview.

Can i apply for right of abode for my children. i even dont know the time frame ROA applications and requirement. anyone, please help.

Salaam brother, my names Wakas.

yes you are right they are taking 9-10 months in british passport applications from islamabad. I tried to apply in july 2014. some problems I faced was that they sent my file back after 3 weeks because I did not photocopy one water bill! on small reasons they make issues.

also when they take the file no receipt etc is given so if the file is lost you have no proof of submission.

You recieved british citizenship before children were born so YES you can apply for right of abode. I applied for my daughter from mirpur in august and it was processed within 7 days! she has a 5 year visa now.

I think fee is £289 per application it is the same process as spouse visa. You apply online and with documents submit it in Gerrys Office. requirement is small as easy to be honest. I fullfilled more than the minimum requirement. right of abode stamp will be the life of the passport once children are in UK apply for british passport as we are allowed dual nationality

Post by **vinny** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:27 am

That's correct.

A British citizen may apply for a Certificate of Entitlement to the Right of Abode (2(1)(a)) instead of a British passport.

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:45 am

i really want to thank everyone for their input and assisting me with my queries.

what is the difference between certificate of entitlement and right of adobe. OR if these are two names of same thing?

I am not British by descent. I obtained citizenship through naturalisation. Can i apply right of adobe/certificate of entitlement for my children born (after my citizenship)and currently living in Pakistan. I read on this forum that to apply for ROA/COE for children, one of the parent has to be British Born. is it correct?

what is the timeline of ROA/CEO in Pakistan? Passport applications are taking extremely long time and somehow being returned for improper reasons.

Can we have another thread of timeline for people applying British passport or ROA overseas?

Thanking once again.

Post by **vinny** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:11 am

shakil.saif79 wrote:what is the difference between certificate of entitlement and right of adobe. OR if these are two names of same thing?

3(9)(e).

shakil.saif79 wrote:I read on this forum that to apply for ROA/COE for children, one of the parent has to be British Born

Incorrect. All British citizens automatically have the Right of Abode (2(1)(a)).

shakil.saif79 · Post by **shakil.saif79** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:11 am

Hi Vinny,

Many thanks for your guidance.

I am naturalised and My children are British by descent. If i apply for British passport for my children while they are in Pakistan but they will not be able to transfer their Citizenship to their children if born overseas. is this correct? if yes, My question is what shall i do to avoid this situation.

if i bring my children to the UK as my dependent and apply for naturalisation and then apply their Passport. In this case will my children be able to transfer british citizenship to their children (my grand children) if born overseas?

I really appreciate your help...

humawakas2014 · Post by **humawakas2014** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:31 am

shakil.saif79 wrote:Hi Vinny,

Many thanks for your guidance.

I am naturalised and My children are British by descent. If i apply for British passport for my children while they are in Pakistan but they will not be able to transfer their Citizenship to their children if born overseas. is this correct? if yes, My question is what shall i do to avoid this situation.

if i bring my children to the UK as my dependent and apply for naturalisation and then apply their Passport. In this case will my children be able to transfer british citizenship to their children (my grand children) if born overseas?

I really appreciate your help...

certificate of entitlement to right of abode is one thing!

No brother even on right of abode your child can not pass down nationality. Same rules as british passport there is no way of avoiding this unless I think you apply for a visa for them and have them naturalised. Same process as yourself.

Don't worry about the future. The best and quickest way is right of abode.

Post by **vinny** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:47 am

shakil.saif79 wrote:I am naturalised and My children are British by descent. If i apply for British passport for my children while they are in Pakistan but they will not be able to transfer their Citizenship to their children if born overseas. is this correct?

Correct. Note that a British passport is irrelevant (21).

shakil.saif79 wrote:if yes, My question is what shall i do to avoid this situation.

It's too late to avoid this situation, after their birth.

If your children were born in the UK, then they would be automatically British otherwise than by descent.

shakil.saif79 wrote:if i bring my children to the UK as my dependent and apply for naturalisation and then apply their Passport. In this case will my children be able to transfer british citizenship to their children (my grand children) if born overseas?

No.

British citizens cannot apply to become British (6.3.31).

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