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Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

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Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Britchick » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:39 pm

Hi,

I'm British and my husband is an illegal entrant awaiting his FLM FP application. I have 2 british children, 1 from a previous relationship. I put in for a joint claim of child/working tax 3 months ago and still haven't received any money or much response as he has no NINO or ID . He's been for a NINO appointment, but was unable to confirm his identity ( all he has is an expired passport) I'm not making any profit from my self employment and the only income I get is £34pw child benefit. I'm not even allowed to claim benefits as he has no NINO. I'm in severe financial hardship now. I've contacted my MP who says the TCO are waiting to hear back from the home office to verify his status. I don't think we can live like this anymore :(

My question is, is it even possible for our claim be processed anytime soon if he has no NINO and no I.D ? Has anyone been in this situation and got their claim processed?

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Re: Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Britchick » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:16 am

Anyone?

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Re: Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Petaltop » Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:16 am

Britchick wrote:I'm not making any profit from my self employment
They are stopping that well known benefits abuse,in April. It seems you will need to earn at least
24 x national minimum wage from your self employment to claim the working tax credit benefit. This is in preperation for the much toughter welfare requirements coming in for all tax credit claiments, under the welfare reform law.
Britchick wrote:I don't think we can live like this anymore :(
As you have a right to work in the UK and he doesn't, why don't you find a job that pays while he looks after the children?

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Re: Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Britchick » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:41 pm

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They are stopping that well known benefits abuse,in April. It seems you will need to earn at least
24 x national minimum wage from your self employment to claim the working tax credit benefit. This is in preperation for the much toughter welfare requirements coming in for all tax credit claiments, under the welfare reform law.[/quote]

How can you assume my self employment is "benefit abuse" All businesses go through a rough patch at some point, especially in January. I am a start-up, and have actually made a profit so far, which most start ups do not in the first year of trading. The new universal credit will continue to help start-up businesses!


[/quote] As you have a right to work in the UK and he doesn't, why don't you find a job that pays while he looks after the children?[/quote]

Every family has different circumstances. My son from a previous relationship has specialist needs and my care. Which is really none of your business at all!

Why have you answered my question with irrelevant abuse. My question was simply- can one claim tax credits with no ID!? My children are entitled to thier money, which working families also get! You must be really bored, bitter person to sit on a forum judging people without facts.

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Re: Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Petaltop » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:07 pm

Britchick wrote: I'm not making any profit from my self employment
It is quite common with single parents on benefits who, when who their Income Support benefit stops when their youngest child turns age 5, to suddenly claim they are now self employed even if their income is zero. By doing this they can continue to avoid going out to work, or having to claim Jobseeker’s Allowance and being put on the work programmes, and their benefits will only reduce by £20 a week. TBF, it’s not just the single parents who do this but it is very common for single parents to do this when their benefits are reduced when their youngest reaches age 5. Under Universal Credit, that will reduced to age 1.

The problem is that it so common that the successive UK governments have decided to end that benefits abuse by replacing Tax Credits with Universal Credit. However, as it is taking a while to roll out UC, they intend to start to tackle the self employment/WTC abuse first, before Tax Credits are replaced by Universal Credit.

Britchick wrote: The new universal credit will continue to help start-up businesses!
A start-up business will still be supported by the welfare state, but it is only regarded as a start-up for 1 year from when the claimant started self employment. After that, the self employed claimant will have their welfare claim based on them earning a set amount each week at national minimum wage, even if they don’t earn that much. i.e. if their UC requirement is to earn at least 35 hours a week at national minimum wage, then their entire benefit claim will be based on them earning £227.50 per week, even if they don't earn that amount. The welfare state will no longer support a failed business or a hobby business.


Starting another business and asking for welfare to support that business instead, won't work either as they have already foreseen that abuse and stopped it. Claimants will need to wait 5 years before they can ask welfare to support another business for 1 year and the criteria will be harder to meet for benefits support to stop the abuse.

Britchick wrote: You must be really bored, bitter person to sit on a forum judging people without facts.

It’s the government who had the facts and sat in judgment, as they have a duty to not waste the tax payers money. This “abuse” as the government called it, of the Working Tax Credit benefit by the self employed, was mentioned again in their Autumn statement. As was their intention to start to stop this abuse in April 2015 instead of waiting until all the self employed people are eventually moved onto Universal Credit over the next few years. That statement also said that all self employed claimants must now register with HMRC as self employed if they want benefits.

I appreciate it will be a shock to those that abused the welfare state for years or for those who planned to abuse the system, but the UK's welfare state will return to what it was invented for and will cease to be the lifestyle choice it has become for some.

It doesn’t matter what party you vote for as Labour have already said they intend to continue with Universal Credit and support further welfare cuts.

If it makes you feel any better, those on PAYE claiming the benefit Tax Credits, are going to have massive changes too when they lose their tax credits and are moved onto UC instead.
Britchick wrote: My son from a previous relationship has specialist needs and my care.
If you can't work because of your oldest child, then claim the appropiate benefits for him. If they agree that he needs your care and you can't work, then they will provide benefits. Using self employment that doesn't pay much to avoid getting a job, won't be an option soon for benefit claimants.

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Re: Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Frontier Mole » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:06 am

The simple answer to your question is that any claim that includes your husband will fail because of his immigration status.
He is not entitled to access any public funds nor is he able to work.
His NINO application will be refused again because of his immigration status.

Your post suggests that he is an illegal entrant, did he come to the UK without any legal entry or did he have a visa that has now expired?
There is a world of difference between the two.

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Re: Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Britchick » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:05 pm

The problem is that it so common that the successive UK governments have decided to end that benefits abuse by replacing Tax Credits with Universal Credit. However, as it is taking a while to roll out UC, they intend to start to tackle the self employment/WTC abuse first, before Tax Credits are replaced by Universal Credit.

I'm not quite sure why you've just given me a lecture on universal credit? I already know it's being rolled out. As i said i am a start up business breaking even in my first year. Mainly, i am concerned my child tax credits was cancelled. My children should be able to claim what they are entitled too, regardless of my partners immigration status! I don't expect the government to to bridge the gap of me not making any profit, but until universal credit is rolled out in my area, they do! I simply cannot just shut down my business i've worked so hard on opening. Also I'm not sure why you are talking about single parents on welfare when that doesn't even apply to me?
Starting another business and asking for welfare to support that business instead, won't work either as they have already foreseen that abuse and stopped it. Claimants will need to wait 5 years before they can ask welfare to support another business for 1 year and the criteria will be harder to meet for benefits support to stop the abuse.
Who says i'm going to? Why are you posting this here?

If you want start a conversation about universal credit, ok that's a totally different topic! Ok universal credit will support a start up business for one year. This applies to my current situation anyway, so what exactly is your problem? It's hardly abuse of the benefits system for small business's to ask for help in the first year. It's very rare for a business to make profit in the first year. Universal credit will also help claiments that transfer from working tax credits for 6 months. I am already aware of the minimum income threshold. I have no intension of voting for Labour, however they will pause the universal credit system for 3 months to review it. Labour will make changes to Universal Credit to cut red tape for the self-employed. Under the current regime, the growing number of people who are self-employed are at risk of increased bureaucracy because they will have to understand and complete three separate sets of accounting rules in order to comply with Government regulations. They will also be cutting the bedroom tax Thank you for your information on this but it is readily available online.

Anyway, what i'm trying to say is i find you very rude. Not everybody is a benefit thief, lazy single mother, scrounger etc. Everybody is different, and has different situations. I've been in a 9-5 minimum waged job for too long. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of not seeing my children to go out and work for pennies. I'm sick of feeling like a robot! It is not for me at all. I have now started my own business which i hope to be succussful and make a profit in the near future. I do not want to go back to being an employee. I feel more help should be put in place to support people like myself. I don't feel people shouldn't be pushed into rubbish underpaid jobs with no prospects, but i also don't think they should be paid to be lazy and just sit at home. I still don't see how this is relevent to me lol. :!: :?: :?: :!:
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Re: Joint Tax Credit Claim and NINO- PLEASE HELP

Post by Britchick » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:09 pm

Frontier Mole wrote:The simple answer to your question is that any claim that includes your husband will fail because of his immigration status.
He is not entitled to access any public funds nor is he able to work.
His NINO application will be refused again because of his immigration status.

Your post suggests that he is an illegal entrant, did he come to the UK without any legal entry or did he have a visa that has now expired?
There is a world of difference between the two.
I'm afraid your wrong, a joint tax credit claim where one is a British citizen will be disregarded as claiming a public fund.

Yes he was an illegal entrant who came here illigally. However he now has just received his visa/biometric pass and has had a NINO interview.

.... so i wont be needing anymore help from this forum.... Thank God! :roll:

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