P11 refused as replacement of RT FPS

regularuser wrote:Zimba,

I have submit P11 and P46(Starter checklist) for start date and p45 who left from the firm. Do you think so is that suffice ? or Can we send additional documents before HO made decision ?

Thanks

by rahulsingh1 » Tue May 05, 2015 2:43 pm

Hi All, We have received our Accelerated ILR(10 jobs) today (within 4 weeks of application)- we had to expedite it as there was a health problem.

This list can be used for extension also

Here are the documents we submitted

company creation and running
1) CT41G
2) Companies house appointment report - download from website for £3.
3) Company creation certificate
4) Letter from bank saying that our business account is with them from xxx date, and it currently has xxx money - NO bank statements

investment
5) Companies management accounts for 3 years - done in 1 document - NOT for 3 years differently
6) Cover letter from accountant, that he has done the accounts and that we have invested £200,000 into the company via director loan
7) Simple Director loan agreement

employment creation
8 ) Employee passport copy
9) Employee payslips for whole period ( monthly paylsip, NOT weekly)
10) Employee P11 for each year (showing starting date of employee)
11) Letter from accountant saying that the jobs have been created,
12) Letter from accountant explaining that the P11s are in monthly format(and not weekly) as the payment of salaries is done monthly.

Business2business wrote:he i knew that but now the guidance now changed and new guidance there is no P11, only RTIS

zimba88 wrote:The exact clause for this requirement is written under 46-SD(h)(i):

evidence to show the applicant is reporting Pay As You Earn (PAYE ) income tax appropriately to HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC), such as printouts of Employee Payment Records, Real Time-Full Payment Submissions (either a series of individual monthly submissions including the first submission or summaries), or original HM Revenue & Customs P45 or P46, which either together or individually show the total payments made to the settled workers, as well as the tax deducted and date which they started work with the applicant’s business;

Given the recent refusals, I highly suspect that the the Employee Payment Records mentioned above does not mean P11 but possibly refers to the old P35 reports (before RTI reporting came into force in 2013)
Now that everyone has to report via RTI, P35 is not used at all. However it appears in the rules for people who might have to score points for any employment created in early 2013 or earlier and outside RTI.

My claim can be supported if you pay more attention to a similar clause which applies only to applicants who have joined/taken over an existing business. In their case, the rules clearly differentiate between the two and demand you to send either a P35s for pre-RTI and FPS reports for post RTI.
This is written under 46-SD(h)(vii):

if the applicant took over or joined a business that employed workers before he joined it, he must provide the following documentation for the year immediately before the jobs were created and the year that the jobs were created, showing the net increase in employment and signed and dated by the applicant:
(1) duplicate HM Revenue & Customers Full Payment Submission sent to HMRC under Real Time; or
(2) if the business started employing staff for which points are being claimed before they were reporting under Real Time, a form P35,

sky_rise wrote:just a quick question here: i am submitting all FPS RTI, but also all P46/45 forms. All this for the period AFTER PAYE RTI was introduced. Do we need to sign also P45/46?

zimba88 wrote:

sky_rise wrote:just a quick question here: i am submitting all FPS RTI, but also all P46/45 forms. All this for the period AFTER PAYE RTI was introduced. Do we need to sign also P45/46?

P46 is not used any more. I suggest to rely only on FPS reports. You should send P45s if your employee left to show the leaving date. Sign and initial FPS reports

P46 is not used any more. I suggest to rely only on FPS reports. You should send P45s if your employee left to show the leaving date. Sign and initial FPS reports

Is P60 required if the employee worked say June to next june?

And also there is an end date column on the form. What should we write for employees still working? I wish to write the last payslip date date to show 12 months. Or shall I put till date?