Can I (UK National)& wife (non EU National) live in Irel

lukejones wrote:Please, there are too many people speaking nonsense.
What the 'Irish embassy have told you' there is false.
Yes, you do need a tourist visa for your wife. But, it must be issued quickly, and without charge, under EU treaty rights.
No, you cannot use a EEA family permit. That is a UK thing, only for UK. It does not exist in Ireland.
You must get an ordinary tourist visa for 3 months, and then apply for residency when you are there.
Using the marriage certificate they cannot refuse your wife entry under EU treaty rights laws.
(What I am saying is according to what is written; what each individual immigration officer thinks and does is another thing!).

lukejones wrote:Please, there are too many people speaking nonsense.
What the 'Irish embassy have told you' there is false.
Yes, you do need a tourist visa for your wife. But, it must be issued quickly, and without charge, under EU treaty rights.
No, you cannot use a EEA family permit. That is a UK thing, only for UK. It does not exist in Ireland.

wiggsy wrote:

lukejones wrote:Please, there are too many people speaking nonsense.
What the 'Irish embassy have told you' there is false.
Yes, you do need a tourist visa for your wife. But, it must be issued quickly, and without charge, under EU treaty rights.
No, you cannot use a EEA family permit. That is a UK thing, only for UK. It does not exist in Ireland.

perhaps the first email which the irish embassy wrote was refering to the english equiv then, but i will try and find my initial email reply from them... i was told that an eea family permit which is valid for six months is issued...

if i get to the border (which they do not recommend) - after proving our relationship and my intentions for travel she could possible recieve a stamp 4... (i assume this is the equiv to uks Code1a?)

chelsearob77 wrote:From my understanding of what i have been told & read those are the required steps me & my wife would need to take for her to eventually get residence in the UK:

1. I would need to find a job in an EU country (aside from UK, as i am a UK citizen) - Ireland would be fine.

2. My wife would then apply at the Irish Embassy in Peru for a visa to join me.

3. She would then get a 5 year permit when in Ireland and live with myself in Ireland for a while (usually 3-6 months minimum as far as I heard).

4. Then she would apply for entry clearance at the British Embassy in Ireland.

5. We then move to the UK.

6. Then she would apply for a EEA family permit (valid 5 years).


So if anyone can shed any light to this being correct or have i been misinformed somewhere along the line?

Thanks

wiggsy wrote:

chelsearob77 wrote:From my understanding of what i have been told & read those are the required steps me & my wife would need to take for her to eventually get residence in the UK:

1. I would need to find a job in an EU country (aside from UK, as i am a UK citizen) - Ireland would be fine.

2. My wife would then apply at the Irish Embassy in Peru for a visa to join me.

3. She would then get a 5 year permit when in Ireland and live with myself in Ireland for a while (usually 3-6 months minimum as far as I heard).

4. Then she would apply for entry clearance at the British Embassy in Ireland.

5. We then move to the UK.

6. Then she would apply for a EEA family permit (valid 5 years).


So if anyone can shed any light to this being correct or have i been misinformed somewhere along the line?

Thanks

you do not need a job first, your wife CAN travel with you to ireland...

The first three months of residence within Ireland are "Unrestricted" meaning you do not require to fall within the category of employee, self employed, student or self sufficient.

once there attend a garda station, and apply for a stamp4 based on marriage with proof of employment...

we need wifes new passport before can apply for entry clearance for wife. but hopefully indonesian embassy will issue it quickly.

wiggsy wrote:this is not true!!!

Your wife needs to travel with you! get her an EEA Family permit.. its not a visa you want...
I am in the same boat my wife's spouse visa runs out in a few weeks and I am looking at going to Ireland as this may be are only option. But not sure on whether its a visa we need or permit. Ps we both live in the UK and she's Colombian
take your marriage cert too!...

im looking at this for my wife (we are in the uk currently - but they expect her to leave - failed applications on Art 8 and spouse etc).

so now looking at going to ireland for this work... she can join me for three months even if i am not working.. irish embasy confirmed that to myself etc... after three months of entry, if im not working, shes considered an "illegal" and would be removed... although as myself, and children are british we have the right to remain in ireland (common travel area)

go onto DFA.ie and email them a question... - it depends on who answers your email, the first couple of responses i had were useless, but i had a nice lady email me a couple of messages which were useful etc.

creweman wrote:Sorry to bother you however hope you can help me or answer a question please.

I am British living in the UK with my wife who's from colombia on a spouse visa which runs out on the 5 of march. We are aware that she needs to pass the life in the uk test. And then apply for recency. But if she fails this this would mean her going back home and then having to reapply under the new law. Ie £18,500 etc etc. Which at present is not possible as we ad a business up until December last year but for ed to close due to my wife having a operation. Worried that she might have to go back and me not seeing her for 6 to 12 months I was informed that we could go to another eu country and she could come with me as she's my spouse.
But I am worried as I am. Not working at present, can you please help

chelsearob77 wrote:this i also just read on the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service website regarding non EU family members of EU citizens traveling to Ireland together:


Visit with EU citizen by family member - visa application documents required

Please be advised that non-nationals who are family members of a European Union citizen and holders of a document called "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" as referred to in Articles 5 (2) and 10 (1) of Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004, are not subject to an Irish visa requirement.

Please be advised that the Visa Office's of the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service are not in a position to provide guidance or advice as to whether a particular card held is sufficient to exempt the person concerned from the visa requirement. It is however open to the persons concerned to contact the appropriate issuing authority of the member state concerned for advice/guidance as to whether the document/card comes within the definition of the Directive, as implemented by that particular Member State.

In circumstances where an individual is in anyway uncertain as to whether or not they are exempt from a visa requirement, then it remains open to such an individual to apply for a visa. Such an application from a family member of an EU Citizen will continue to be dealt with in an accelerated fashion. Whether or not a visa should be applied for is a matter of choice for the individual themselves.

If non EEA family members wish to ACCOMPANY an EU Citizen on a VISIT to Ireland, and require a visa, the following documents must be submitted:
Fully complete the online application form, and submit your signed summary application form, photographs and fee.
Passport
Marriage Certificate (where applicable) - evidence (apostilled document) that marriage has been registered in applicant's country of origin/residence
Documentary evidence that will attest to the existence and durability of the relationship (where applicable) – e.g. Registration Certificate of partnership (if applicable) or evidence of common ownership of property, joint tenancy of property, on going correspondence addressed to both partners at the same address, financial dependence/interdependence, joint bank accounts or any other relevant documentation.
Evidence that the applicant is accompanying the EU Citizen to Ireland or evidence that the EU Citizen is already residing in Ireland
Birth Certificate (long form) for children under 21 years, parental consent, national identity card (signed if required). Where a child under the age of 18 is travelling alone, the consent of both parents/guardians is required. If the child is travelling with one parent, the consent of the other parent is required. This signed parental consent must be accompanied by a copy of the consenting parent's passport or national identity card showing the bearer's signature. Where only one parent has total custody, a Court Order bestowing sole custody of this child must be shown.
The bearer of the visa must present to an Immigration Official at an approved port of entry. Please note that a visa only grants the bearer permission to present at an approved port of entry into the State. The decision to allow entry to the State is at the discretion of the Immigration Officer and moreover the visa itself does not imply any entitlements whatsoever as to residency in the State.
NOTES
Please keep copies of all documents submitted with your application. Original documents such as marriage/birth certificates will be returned to you. However, bank statements, letters of invitation etc will not be returned.
If there are specific documents that you wish to have returned to you, please submit a list of these with your application.
All letters submitted should be on official company headed paper and give full contact details for verification purposes. These must include a full postal address, name of contact, position in company, telephone number (landline) and email address where relevant. (Email addresses such as Yahoo or Hotmail are not accepted). Website address should also be included, if available.
All of the above documents must be submitted with your application
All documentation must be in English or accompanied by a notarised translation
The provision of all the documentation listed in no way guarantees that a visa will be granted
Please do not purchase travel tickets prior to a decision being made on the visa application. Doing so may lead to unnecessary additional costs in circumstances where a visa is not granted.
July 2011



So it seems the non EU family member of a EU citizen has more chance of success if the EU citizen is already residing in Ireland!