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Shondra Sharma
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Problem in Phd

Post by Shondra Sharma » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:46 pm

Hi one of my friend doing Ph.D, she did master degree from uk and had two year psw visa now doing Ph.D from January 2014, after one year in Ph.D her supervisor and 4 other panel member decide she is not progressing well in her one year research and they gave another two months to do the task what they looking for. Now she is worrying what will happened after two months even they are not happy after doing her task. If they say you can't continue further Ph.D course what will happened in her 3 year visa? does home office curtail her visa? does home office give any time to switch this visa to any other category? can she switch this student visa to another student visa like going to study for AACA? If home office curtail this visa, does they give 60 days to go on for another category or same student category? hope her Ph.D will continue after two months but need to be ready for worse condition? Please any expert help her out. Many Many thanks.

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Re: Problem in Phd

Post by Frontier Mole » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:19 am

If the university ceases her PhD study they inform UKVI.
A curtailment letter will go out (at some point later) that will give her 60 days to regularise her stay by applying for further leave to remain by whatever means.
As for applying for another tier 4 visa. Unless she can remain on a PhD course with another Uni she will not get a CAS. She can't study below PhD now due to the educational progression rules.
So ACCA is not an option.
In essence if she can not study her only route will be moving to a tier 2 or tier 1 visa.

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Re: Problem in Phd

Post by Shondra Sharma » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:54 pm

Frontier Mole wrote:If the university ceases her PhD study they inform UKVI.
A curtailment letter will go out (at some point later) that will give her 60 days to regularise her stay by applying for further leave to remain by whatever means.
As for applying for another tier 4 visa. Unless she can remain on a PhD course with another Uni she will not get a CAS. She can't study below PhD now due to the educational progression rules.
So ACCA is not an option.
In essence if she can not study her only route will be moving to a tier 2 or tier 1 visa.
Thanks@frontier Mole for your reply. She did master degree in education, can she go in managerial post for any company for tier 2 or she only go educational field, like teacher, education advisory etc. People saying only who did MBA they can go for managerial post in any sponsorship licenced company. Do you have any idea about this? what about restaurant? can she go in a managerial post in restaurant? what is the minimum salary required to go in tier 2 from tier 4? people saying £20500 and above for that is it true? Need your advise please.

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Re: Problem in Phd

Post by aaliya1986 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:38 pm

if the university panel has given her 2 months to progress then why can she not provide the progress?

is she not in touch with her supervisor? is the supervisor not helpful?

2 months is enough to produce quite a lot of work if the student knows what they are doing and what the research is about.

to me it looks like as if the student undertook a phd course to extend her time and now again wants to switch to an acca course or go for a tier 1/2 visa just to extend her stay.

the best thing for the student to do will be to provide the progress to the panel. even if she cannot provide what is asked for she can atleast show that she is working and she will be able to achieve the set target. the university can understand problems and circumstances but if she did not produce anything since starting the phd then it goes on to show that the student is not a genuine student.

and yes, if the university informs the UKVI, that's pretty much end of the joy ride.

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Re: Problem in Phd

Post by Shondra Sharma » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:06 pm

Thanks@aaliliya the problem is she need to present depth presentation in front of supervisor and four other member of the panel like a viva. Her report writting, research and time to engaged in ph.d course, everything fine but panel is not satisfied with her about they cross question about her research in depth. She might be ok but in the case of worst scenario she needs to look other option.

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Re: Problem in Phd

Post by Shondra Sharma » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:06 pm

Thanks@aaliliya the problem is she need to present depth presentation in front of supervisor and four other member of the panel like a viva. Her report writting, research and time to engaged in ph.d course, everything fine but panel is not satisfied with her about they cross question about her research in depth. She might be ok but in the case of worst scenario she needs to look other option.

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Re: Problem in Phd

Post by aaliya1986 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:01 am

the phd course is not just a phd course but they say it as MPhil/phd until it has been completed.

it is very normal for students to go under viva, presentations and etc during their research. the student is supposed to be a leader in their area of research and if it is true as you say so then the student would be able to defend her thesis whatever she has written.

a student who is unable to defend her thesis or the thesis which they have written is not up to the mark will automatically be given an MPhil award rather than a PhD award unless it is so bad that it does not even qualify for a MPhil. all universities are different and have different procedures, but the one I have explained is the normal procedure for most of the universities.

I am finding it hard to understand that why is the supervisor not supportive of the student. supervisors are always so good to the students.

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