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Post by steff2 » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:21 pm

i came to london in 1988 on a six months visa and then i stayed here never went back to my country of origin.i was working illegaly with my name till 1992 where i started using another name to obtain national insurance and bank account in purpose to find work so i can contribute and pay taxes like everyone else.So in 2003 i made an application for indefinite leave to remain based on long residency more then 14 YEARS.but i was refused in august 2007 on ground that they couldn't establish the connection between my real name and the name i'm using since 1992.so i appealed to the immigration tribunale where i established the connection with documents,witnesses,affidavits,etc...which they were convinced that i was here for 19 years but my appeal was dismissed by the judge on ground that i used a false name and that is a serious offence and deceived my employer,the inland revenue,the NHS ...considering i was never involved in any criminal activity or had access to public funds.i'm this normal average human being who only used the false name to find work and pay taxes but they said in the public interest my appeal should be dismissed.
i'm going to reappeal against the decision but i need some advice if anyone can help would appreciate it.

ps.forgot to mention i've had bladder cancer for the last 7 years and had several operations and had chemotherapy sessions.i mentioned this in my application and doesn't seem to matter.may be i can use this
desease to my unfortunate advantage.

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Post by avjones » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:38 pm

Please bear in mind the very short time limit - you have only 5 working days to apply for reconsideration.
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Post by steff2 » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:36 pm

thanks i did

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Post by jimquk » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:15 pm

Just a bit of a punt here - did the original refusal mention that if the link was established then you would fail anyway because of this public interest consideration? If not, is it allowable for that to be advanced now as a reason for refusal........? I mean, both parties have to submit in advance to the court the evidence and general reasoning they will be relying on. Someone with a good legal background would have to answer that one, but it could just possibly be a grounds for reconsideration.
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Post by avjones » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:57 pm

The Immigration Rules state that:

276B. The requirements to be met by an applicant for indefinite leave to remain on the ground of long residence in the United Kingdom are that:

(i) (a) he has had at least 10 years continuous lawful residence in the United Kingdom; or

(b) he has had at least 14 years continuous residence in the United Kingdom, excluding any period spent in the United Kingdom following service of notice of liability to removal or notice of a decision to remove by way of directions under paragraphs 8 to 10A, or 12 to 14, of Schedule 2 to the Immigration Act 1971 or section 10 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 Act, or of a notice of intention to deport him from the United Kingdom; and

(ii) having regard to the public interest there are no reasons why it would be undesirable for him to be given indefinite leave to remain on the ground of long residence, taking into account his:

(a) age; and

(b) strength of connections in the United Kingdom; and

(c) personal history, including character, conduct, associations and employment record; and

(d) domestic circumstances; and

(e) previous criminal record and the nature of any offence of which the person has been convicted; and

(f) compassionate circumstances; and

(g) any representations received on the person’s behalf;


So I imagine that you have been refused under (c)?

I assume that you've never been served with a notice that "stopped the clock" for the purposes of the rules?

The IDIs (the Home Office guidance) says that:

It is important to remember that possession of the required period of continuous residence in the UK does not entitle the applicant to a grant of leave, but only to be considered for a grant. Whether leave is granted or not is a matter of judgement.

That said, the general rule is that a person who satisfies the appropriate continuous residence requirement should normally be granted ILR, unless a grant would, in all the circumstances of the case, be against the public interest.

So the default rule is that a person is granted ILR, unless it is against the public interest.

About character etc (part (c), the IDI states:


However, immigration history is relevant to the fourteen-year Rule. Clearly, it would not be appropriate to refuse leave on the grounds of conduct simply because the applicant is an overstayer or illegal entrant, as that would defeat the purpose of the Rule. However, the Rule is not intended to reward people for their success in evading, or failing to cooperate with, the immigration control. Therefore, any deliberate or blatant attempts to circumvent the control, e.g. by absconding, contracting a marriage of convenience or using false documents (this is not an exhaustive list) may well mean that it is not in the public interest to grant leave.

When you started using another name to get an NI number and bank account, was this using false documents of some kind? What form of ID did you have in this name, and how did you obtain it? If those documents were false, it does fall within the HO guidance.
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Post by avjones » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:58 pm

jimquk wrote:Just a bit of a punt here - did the original refusal mention that if the link was established then you would fail anyway because of this public interest consideration? If not, is it allowable for that to be advanced now as a reason for refusal........? I mean, both parties have to submit in advance to the court the evidence and general reasoning they will be relying on. Someone with a good legal background would have to answer that one, but it could just possibly be a grounds for reconsideration.
No - the Appellant has to show that he meets the Immigration Rules.
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Post by steff2 » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:47 pm

i was refused under 276B(ii)(c) and that i was not romantically involved and had no close relationship

i don't know what kind of ID it was never in my possession.i gave someone my photo and money,and few weeks later he gave me the insurance number with the bank account

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Post by VictoriaS » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:10 pm

There is recent caselaw which goes against you on this, and which is probably quoted in the refusal:

MO (Ghana [2007] UKAIT 00014

As a result of this, it is going to be very difficult for you to claim that the decision of the Judge was unlawful. And, regretfully, unless your medical condition is terminal, you will have almost no chance of success on Human Rights grounds.

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Post by avjones » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:32 pm

I'm afraid I agree with Victoria. I also read the extra information in your PM which I won't repeat here.

The case of MO (Ghana) was very similar. In that case, the judgment says:

The appellant entered the UK on 29 September 1989 as a visitor. Thereafter he overstayed. On 28 August 2003 he applied for indefinite leave to remain under the long residence rule. At the time of his application he informed the Home Office that he had been using an assumed name (CK) which he admitted was not his real name.



When considering what criteria should be applied, the Tribunal said:

Secondly, this contention overlooks that whilst the provisions of paragraph 276B(i)(b) taken together with those in paragraph 276B(ii) are clearly intended (like the 14 year concession which preceded them) to cater for applications from persons not lawfully resident and so with a history of illegal or unlawful residence of some sort, they clearly do not regard everyone with such a history as able to qualify. They impose a public interest proviso. In other words, they recognise that while persons with a history of illegal or unlawful residence can qualify under the 14 year provision (paragraph 276B(i)(b)) they will not qualify if reasons of public interest make that undesirable (paragraph 276B(ii)). From the list of factors set out in paragraph 276B(ii) (a)-(g) it is clear that the intention behind the rule is to ensure that whether a person with a history of illegal or unlawful stay can nevertheless succeed will depend on a wide range of circumstances, including the nature and extent of his illegal and unlawful stay. It should also be kept in mind that the paragraph 276A(a) definition of “continuous residenceâ€
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Post by steff2 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:52 am

what if the treatment and the medicine i'm recieving in the UK for my bladder cancer that's include the chemotherapy is not available back in my country of origin would it be worth arguing that if i can't get an adequate health treatment back there,my health could deteriorate and break up as a result.

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Post by avjones » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:09 pm

It could be part of the overall circumstances, yes. It's not enough as a human rights ground on its own unless it will cause almost immediate death.
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Post by steff2 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:58 pm

Can my MP do anything about it may be send a letter to the home office to review the case or something.
another thought if it's a serious offence and a crime to work with a different name could they actually charge me and go to prison for this?

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Post by avjones » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:39 am

You can always ask your MP - it can't hurt.

There is a criminal offence of obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception. That includes obtaining employment by falsely presenting yourself as a person entitled to work, when you are not such a person.

In my experience, you are unlikely to be charged with such an offence, though.
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desperate please help!!!!

Post by steff2 » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:50 pm

today my application for consideration was refused.do i have a chance taking it further?or may be not?what happens now if i don't pursuit this matter further,will they just come to my home without any notice to remouve me from the UK.or they send me a notice for a period to leave the Uk?

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Post by avjones » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:44 pm

You have the right to apply for statutory review of the decision to the High Court, on paper, within 5 days.
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Post by mustapha » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:26 pm

i applied to the high court for a consideration and it was issued.now i don't want to go back to my solicitor as i felt he didn't focus on my case at all.anyway,can i skip the solicitor and go to a barrister for representation
or i have to do it through a solicitor

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Post by avjones » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:59 am

You can't usually go straight to a barrister.

You don't need to use the same solicitor, though.
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