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shahidabegum417
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 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: Dependent |
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sam2106
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Elderly Dependent Relative |
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what is your problem then? you are jealous? something is churning inside your stomach..? do your own things and look after yourself! when you ask questions, ask questions which reflects & signifies respect and dignity for yourself..if you think you have time for these things, then you seriously have a problem and it shows the sort of person you are!
| shahidabegum417 wrote: | | Hi, I am in a bit of a dilemma. Someone I know of is making a fraudulent application for their mother as an elderly dependent. The application was made before the 9th of July when the rules changed. Basically they are showing his mother as a widow even though her husband is alive in Bangladesh. They have a bad relationship but they are not divorced. Should I report this or should I have faith in the Border Agency that they will do the correct checks? |
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sam2106
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: hi |
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i have no clue how to read the appendix..is the appendix saying anything on the points we raised before..can you please comment on the transitional arrangements? thanks
| Greenie wrote: | | sam2106 wrote: | any update on this please? we are now the 9th and part 8 family members have not yet changed in the rules and regulations
| sushdmehta wrote: | Significant changes are being introduced from 09-Jul-12 to the immigration rules for elderly dependant relatives.
Please read clauses 118-125 of this document. |
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the new rules for adult dependent relatives are set out in the relevant section of appendix FM and apply to applications made on or after 9th July. The old rules remain in place for applications that fall within the transitional arrangements. |
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malwajatt
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: New older dependant visa rules for elderly |
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Dear all,
Reading the new tough rules I just think it means no entry to any of our parents in uk.
How very cruel and inhumane |
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shahidabegum417
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: New older dependant visa rules for elderly |
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| malwajatt wrote: | Dear all,
Reading the new tough rules I just think it means no entry to any of our parents in uk.
How very cruel and inhumane |
The UK government have been Put in a difficult position. It is not a right that because you are simply settled in this country you automatically have the right to settle your parents here. People know that when they settle heren their parents back home will eventually get old. Its a fact of life. The border agency needs to make it higher. What are the benefits to this country to bring elderly people here? A higher burden on the NHS?
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malwajatt
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: To shahida begum |
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Shahida
Just because the NHS is crumbling .... So does it mean that our elderly parents should pay by not coming to this country.
Secondly the only reason many people like us have settled is because the previous laws allowed our parents to join us in their old age.
Thirdly me and my wife are high rate tax payers ....that's the answer to ur question on what value does elderly parents add. They have given us the rights skills and talent so that we can pay taxes to support the hordes of unemployed, incapable and idle tax credit cheats in this country.
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shahidabegum417
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: To shahida begum |
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| malwajatt wrote: | Shahida
Just because the NHS is crumbling .... So does it mean that our elderly parents should pay by not coming to this country.
Secondly the only reason many people like us have settled is because the previous laws allowed our parents to join us in their old age.
Thirdly me and my wife are high rate tax payers ....that's the answer to ur question on what value does elderly parents add. They have given us the rights skills and talent so that we can pay taxes to support the hordes of unemployed, incapable and idle tax credit cheats in this country.
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Well, sorry mate thats life. Just because you pay taxes (like myself!) doesn't automatically give you the right to bring your family here. Like you say if your parents gave you the right skills etc you should have invested it in your country rather than leaving your parents to come to this country where its full of as you say 'hordes of unemployed, incapable and idle tax credit cheats!' I for one am glad the government is toughening up on this if it stops ungrateful people like yourself coming here!
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malwajatt
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject: To Shahidabegum |
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Shahida
I do not know how u got the impression that I am ungrateful.
Having paid higher taxes into the exchequer and been a citizen, this country is as equally mine as is it is urs.
Besides it's none of ur business to advice us of which country we use our skills in.....ur name suggests u cannot be a native of this country either.so u or ur previous gen would have immigrated here as well......
Extreme anti immigrant mentality people like u should only hope that when they get old the nhs has not crumbled and left u in the cold.
Go on get a life ... |
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Ranjanx
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Shahidabegum and others, as mentioned in another thread, I include here my letter to my MP. Hopefully, it answers some of your questions on why it is unfair, at least to those whose decision to settle here was based on the previous laws.
Please let me know if any of the others are willing to join up or suggest any lawyers/organizations to help in the cause.
My letter to Maria Miller -
| Quote: | My wife and I are Indian nationals, settled in the UK with an Indefinite Leave to Remain and looking to go for UK nationality in the coming months. We had decided to stay here with the intent of settling down, provided my widowed mother would be able to join us here as a dependent adult relative once she attained the age of 65 years, as per the Immigration Laws at the time.
Now that she has very recently turned 65, we realized the latest changes to Immigration Law passed on 9th July 2012 do not allow her the option to stay with us as a parent in a gracefully healthy state but increasingly dependent nevertheless.
As mentioned in the Introduction in The Statement of Intent : Family Immigration document published by the Home Office, point 17 states -
"non-EEA adult dependent relatives will only be able to settle in the UK if they can demonstrate that, as a result of age, illness or disability, they require a level of long-term personal care that can only be provided in the UK by their relative here and without recourse to public funds"
(http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/news/soi-fam-mig.pdf)
I would like to humbly but firmly register my unhappiness and disappointment with this rule. The rule goes against quite a few human values and common sense, to say the least. It also suggests that the rhetoric about promoting healthier family ties for a better country are just that - words from politicians.
Further, I would request you to please take it up at the appropriate discussions in the House of Commons with the following to support my position and that of others affected by the changes -
1) My wife and I are both working with a healthy tax payments of 22% and 40% respectively over the last 6 years, entering the increasingly rare club of contributors to the UK economy without access to public funds.. We also contribute to the economy like every other sincere citizen by means of NHS contributions, VAT, council tax, TV license, charity contributions and many more.
2) As per Indian culture, it is my duty and right to be able to support my dependent parents. This duty is not expected to be passed on by paying off a maid or healthcare workers or asking some relative to do it for you, as the new rule suggests. This is a duty of a son or daughter, taken as a path to fulfill one's 'Dharma' - way of life.
People might consider me to be a religious person but I know the right values form wrong ones. I do honestly believe that the UK society has open arms for people of any culture. Taking care of aging parents is a matter of deep rooted culture that comes with immigrants to the shores of UK and therefore should be accepted.
3) As I understand, the economic state of affairs in UK, particularly the financial condition of old age homes, has shown that taking care of one's own parents is the most appropriate, wise and natural thing to do in this day and age. Even for someone not tied to the Indian culture.
The said changes to the Immigration policy above promotes exactly the opposite.
4) We have come to settle here, fully abiding with the laws of Immigration and otherwise. The laws at the time of our decision to settle expected us to wait for having our dependent parents join us when they need us to be with them. Given the recent change as per the rule above, it feels like being cheated as the lawmakers have suddenly changed their mind about how we treat our parents. If there is a genuine case for the new restrictions to apply, at the very least it needs to be applied with some transitional arrangements in place for this category of applicants, just like all other categories.
5) My request for staying here, working here and then settling here were all based on how much I could earn and contribute to the economy with my skills as a professional. Apparently, UK wants me to continue working at least at my current level and therefore would like me to stay here as a human being. If the lawmakers were to apply a preferential treatment to one set of immigrants only (EEA nationals), it might be a better consideration to provide better rights to those contributing more to the economy. That is immigrants like me coming through the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme or its equivalent.
It is not my case that EEA immigrants might or might not be contributing as much to the UK economy as immigrants from Non-EEA countries arriving via Highly Skilled Migrant Programmes. In fact, I believe everyone has the same right and duty to support their dependent parents.
To close, I would re-iterate that the changes to this law are a big factor in deciding the future of my family's stay here. As I see it, a win-win situation for both United Kingdom and me as an Immigrant, economically, culturally and on humanitarian grounds would be to allow me to request a dependent Visa for my dependent mother. I would very much like to stay here with my dignity and humanity intact rather than go out again looking for a country that values me as a human and not just another set of hands paying to the treasury, expecting me to give up my culture, values and parents in return. |
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harv
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: Re: To Shahidabegum |
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| malwajatt wrote: | Shahida
I do not know how u got the impression that I am ungrateful.
Having paid higher taxes into the exchequer and been a citizen, this country is as equally mine as is it is urs.
Besides it's none of ur business to advice us of which country we use our skills in.....ur name suggests u cannot be a native of this country either.so u or ur previous gen would have immigrated here as well......
Extreme anti immigrant mentality people like u should only hope that when they get old the nhs has not crumbled and left u in the cold.
Go on get a life ... |
The problem is in the way we think.
We do not realise how much a problem effects us until we experience it first hand. Others cannot feel the pain of your wounds as they say.
We can debate and debate and nothing will come out of it. The simple truth of life is that if something is good for someone, the same things can be bad for others. The whole world is different (which is good), thus we have different needs.
Best of luck with your application(s)
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shahidabegum417
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: To Shahidabegum |
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malwajatt
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: The new rules can be challenged |
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the new rules are only there for those who are not aware of the laws and to keep people like u happy.
One can still challenge the rules in court and win as there are enough provisions in the uk and European law.  |
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shahidabegum417
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: The new rules can be challenged |
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| malwajatt wrote: | To shahida
the new rules are only there for those who are not aware of the laws and to keep people like u happy.
One can still challenge the rules in court and win as there are enough provisions in the uk and European law. |
So go and challenge it. LOL
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:16 am Post subject: Re: The new rules can be challenged |
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| malwajatt wrote: | To shahida
the new rules are only there for those who are not aware of the laws and to keep people like u happy.
One can still challenge the rules in court and win as there are enough provisions in the uk and European law. |
I to be honest cannot say if I can imagine the frustration because my parents are with me.
It has been forced by the politicians does not make it just for everyone. Democracy gives rights to everyone challenge the rules and if justified should be changed to meet the needs of the public better.
Some people would view an argument from their stand point but others may have a completely different view from where they are standing. This does not mean one of them is incorrect, we are just seeing things from different goggles as per say.
I wish you well and best of luck with your application. I hope you are able to bring your parents here!
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08/02/2012 - Application submitted to VFS New Delhi
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Viv1000
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranjanx- good letter o he MP and I completely agree with your points... Have you received any replies or any thoughts on how you are planning to apply for your parents dependant visa |
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homesweethome
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| Hi Guys, This isn't looking good at all. It looks like unless the dependent is entirely dependent on you both financially and physically there is no chance of bringing them over. I consulted an immigration solicitor on behalf of a family friend and they advised that you would also need to show that the dependent cannot get a carer back home. |
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pluto123
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: Relax immigration rules for elderly dependent relatives |
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Just to make all affected aware of an e-petition that has been created and could possibly be helpful in raising this matter in the House of Commons.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/36798 |
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ssharma
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Elderly dependant Visa for my parents (Age 63 and 60) got rejected recently....no reason given. They did through checks and found that the care they need is available in our country for penny's.
There are more chances if parent is a Widowed or have serious illness or disability. |
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Viv1000
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I was just going through the application form - is it right that the application fees for a dependant parent is now GBP1,850.....phew.....? and is there a English language requirement even for dependant parents?
Separately, has anyone made a recent application - pls could you share your experiences... |
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homesweethome
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Viv1000 wrote: | I was just going through the application form - is it right that the application fees for a dependant parent is now GBP1,850.....phew.....? and is there a English language requirement even for dependant parents?
Separately, has anyone made a recent application - pls could you share your experiences... |
One of my colleagues has made an application just before the rule changes in July. That fee is correct. They are still waiting for an answer. I'm not sure what the success rate is as I know the criteria is very high. |
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