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emeks
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 Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:22 pm Post subject: RE:NATURALISATION |
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greetings every1,
could someone please shed more light for me on completing form AN for naturalisation as regards exercising treaty rights in the UK, the following is my situation,
1) i am a non EU family member of an EEA citizen.
2) i am my my wife are planning a joint application for naturalisation
3) she has permanent residence and I have ILR.
my question/confusion is form AN section 2.4-2.6 is a bit ambiguous,
do we still need to show evidence of treaty rights even though we have permanent residence and ILR? |
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Jambo
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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If she has has a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (following an EEA3 application) for over a year, the EEA national can skip this section.
Same goes for the ILR holder, If you hold it for more than 1 year. |
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emeks
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks Jambo for your prompt response. |
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andrej
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: RE:NATURALISATION |
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| emeks wrote: | greetings every1,
3) she has permanent residence and I have ILR.
my question/confusion is form AN section 2.4-2.6 is a bit ambiguous,
do we still need to show evidence of treaty rights even though we have permanent residence and ILR? |
I can't get this around my head. Am I right to think that some Non-EEA family members of EEA citizens with permanent residence also do not hold Permanent Residence but ILR in their passports? Why don't they just streamline it and make it simple? How about it HO? |
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Jambo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry. It's a common mistake.
People tend to interchange the two terms as if they are one (just check the ILR forum and you will see many people state they have PR).
For the purpose of the requirement for naturalisation, they are the same thing (free from immigration control). |
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andrej
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Jambo wrote: | Don't worry. It's a common mistake.
People tend to interchange the two terms as if they are one (just check the ILR forum and you will see many people state they have PR).
For the purpose of the requirement for naturalisation, they are the same thing (free from immigration control). |
Thanks... hope the NCS see it the same way/  |
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seputus
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| andrej wrote: | | Jambo wrote: | Don't worry. It's a common mistake.
People tend to interchange the two terms as if they are one (just check the ILR forum and you will see many people state they have PR).
For the purpose of the requirement for naturalisation, they are the same thing (free from immigration control). |
Thanks... hope the NCS see it the same way/ |
Andrej, I think I remember you from awhile back.  I'm also about to apply for citizenship and have the same exact concern .. I addressed it to Jambo in an earlier thread. If you've since attended your NCS appointment and been successful I'd like to know. |
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andrej
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| seputus wrote: |
Andrej, I think I remember you from awhile back. I'm also about to apply for citizenship and have the same exact concern .. I addressed it to Jambo in an earlier thread. If you've since attended your NCS appointment and been successful I'd like to know. |
Heey seputus buddy... I remember you. My NCS app is on the 5 Nov so I am still waiting but will let you know once I go through with it. Jambo has been very, very helpful. Jambo knows his stuff and I wish he was the one checking my docs and form and not some civil servant who never paid enough attention during the quick crash course in Nationality Checks. |
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seputus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| andrej wrote: | | seputus wrote: |
Andrej, I think I remember you from awhile back. I'm also about to apply for citizenship and have the same exact concern .. I addressed it to Jambo in an earlier thread. If you've since attended your NCS appointment and been successful I'd like to know. |
Heey seputus buddy... I remember you. My NCS app is on the 5 Nov so I am still waiting but will let you know once I go through with it. Jambo has been very, very helpful. Jambo knows his stuff and I wish he was the one checking my docs and form and not some civil servant who never paid enough attention during the quick crash course in Nationality Checks. |
Well, I had my appointment today .. Hammersmith had appointments just 2 days in advance, which was great -- and the price was almost half of the other places (£65 for joint, vs £100 at other places) .. There was no problem with treaty rights needing to be proved again (thx Jambo!) - but my EU partner has to supply a letter from his employer tomorrow to completely satisfy the residence section (tenancy agreements not accepted) .. thankfully they're willing to accept a scanned and emailed copy of the letter, so everything will go off to the Home Office tomorrow.
Now ~3 months of waiting begins ! (Though he did say that some applications are getting final responses within 6 - 10 weeks!) .. |
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andrej
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| seputus wrote: |
There was no problem with treaty rights needing to be proved again (thx Jambo!) |
Great news for PR holders!!!
| seputus wrote: | | - but my EU partner has to supply a letter from his employer tomorrow to completely satisfy the residence section (tenancy agreements not accepted) |
Was this because your EU partner had no entry stamps in the passport? Were they happy with your Non-EEA passport showing stamps as proof of 5 years residence? It is just me applying as my EEA partner is not interested.
| seputus wrote: | | Now ~3 months of waiting begins ! (Though he did say that some applications are getting final responses within 6 - 10 weeks!) .. |
I hope you get a nice Christmas surprise!!! |
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seputus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yes - he said that EU passports "aren't a good record of residence because of that" .. but then I told him that mine only had two entry stamps - which themselves weren't "legal" -- but he didn't seem concerned. I got the feeling (esp w/ them accepting a scanned & emailed letter from an employer) that it's not really something they're that strict about somehow . .
I'm guessing they'll get a pretty complete picture of residence when they review our tax contributions ..
So yeah - you should have no problem. The application for naturalisation was definitely a lot less involved, ultimately, than for EEA4 !
Good luck to us both! |
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