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I have done it and none of them replied.bigsale wrote:Many people on this forum have done so and they were told to send back there document for reconsideration. im sorry for my mistakes. have a good nightJambo wrote:I fail to understand what's the point of firing emails at every direction (apart from releasing steam). Some of the people don't work in UKBA any more. Some addresses are for departments who has nothing to do with European applications. No one likes to get spam. I would imagine people working in the HO are the same.bigsale wrote:i think it would be better to apply for reconsideration and before you do that i would like you to send a complaint right now to this email below and explain your plight to them,make sure you tell them they refuse you wrongly, one of them should be in contact with you within 2 dayswb00 wrote:Hi bigsale,
First of all, thank you for your replies.
We do have most of the documents they requested and we do have a strong case. The thing is, this job I got is really good and it would not come by easily again, so I am really worried.
I am not sure which alternative is the best. I am thinking of providing all the documentation of her self employment and send them for reconsideration instead of reapplying or appealing, which would cost us money and time (none which we have). If a reconsideration is hard to get and my employer is eager to wait (which I will find out tomorrow, as I don't know wether my employment check with the ukba was done, because I sent the documents to him 10 days ago), I should reapply, so I would have a fresh CoA and would be OK to be employed.
Based on that, I am kindly asking advice on how should I proceed, as I would have everything set the soonest.
My wife left 2 hours ago to the bank and HRMC to get a original bank statement and tax return, so that I could take action within 2 days tops.
I guess it would have been worse if my RC was refused on basis of our marriage.
They still have my passport. Would be a good move if I sent them the remaining documents along with the refusal letter for reconsideration? Would I have to send any addition documents, as they did not question our identity or our marriage in the refusal letter? They still have my passport with them, but returned all documents we submitted, including my wife's passport.
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wb00 wrote:I have done it and none of them replied.bigsale wrote:Many people on this forum have done so and they were told to send back there document for reconsideration. im sorry for my mistakes. have a good nightJambo wrote:I fail to understand what's the point of firing emails at every direction (apart from releasing steam). Some of the people don't work in UKBA any more. Some addresses are for departments who has nothing to do with European applications. No one likes to get spam. I would imagine people working in the HO are the same.bigsale wrote:
i think it would be better to apply for reconsideration and before you do that i would like you to send a complaint right now to this email below and explain your plight to them,make sure you tell them they refuse you wrongly, one of them should be in contact with you within 2 days
EuropeanOperational@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (europeanoperational@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); UKBAcustomercomplaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (ukbacustomercomplaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); UKBAeuropeanenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk (ukbaeuropeanenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk); Kirsen.Ferguson@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (kirsen.ferguson@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); Serena.Bryant@ukba.gsi.gov.uk (serena.bryant@ukba.gsi.gov.uk); Steve.Long5@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (steve.long5@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); Sonia.Dower2@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (sonia.dower2@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); Rob.Whiteman@HomeOffice.GSI.Gov.UK (rob.whiteman@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); NWCSU@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (nwcsu@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); rob.whiteman@homeoffice.gov.uk (rob.whiteman@homeoffice.gov.uk); EREC@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (erec@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk); nationalityprogress@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk (nationalityprogress@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
As suggested, I reapplied (this time with every single aspect of my wife's self employment...documents weighting over a kilo!) and appealed on paper. In addition to all of those, we also sent two handwritten letters explaining that now all the issues have been addressed, that the documents should satisfy them (as we there is nothing else we haven't posted) and that we expect to receive my RC the soonest.
I will keep you informed of the outcome. Thank you for the info and support.
Congratulations at2 Could you help me with the information about the Letter of Acknowledgement of HO receiving your application. Did it state about a right for you to continue with work? As Mine is just a headed paper home office letter stating that, they have received my application and i should wait for RC.at12 wrote:Hi All,
I have been following this board since early 2013 when I was planning to submit an EEA2 application. Like CanuckinEg (who posted above) I had also been here for a few years on a Tier 2 Visa. These are my dates and the documents I sent in case it can be of help to anyone. You will notice that I only sent what was required, no extra documents nor letters. Strange is that it took nearly three months from RC issue to delivery... go figure.. !
Country applying from: UK (Residence: Liverpool)
Type of visa applied for: EEA2
Application submitted: 11 May 2013
Received by UKBA: 13 May 2013
Certificate of Application: 17 May 2013 (dated 15 May 2013)
Residence Documentation: 08 October 2013 (dated 01 July 2013!!)
Documents Applicant:
- EEA2 form filled and signed
- 2 photographs
- Passport
- Previous (expired) passport with current visa (Tier 2, Skilled Migrant)
Documents EEA Partner:
- ID Card
- Residence Card (obtained previously with separate EEA1 application)
- last 3 payslips
Evidence of relationship (unmarried partners)
- Council tax bill last three years, addressed to applicant and EEA partner
- Old and recent utility bill (United Utilities), addressed to applicant and EEA partner
All that with a special delivery envelope paid for.
shineangel wrote:You already won your appeal against ukba decision about your marriage certificate, however ukba challenged decision of first tier tribunal. To the best of my knowledge you need not to appeal again, you just have to wait for upper tribunal to check if there's material error of law in first tier tribunal decision. Anyway you will expect a tough questions as to how you met your spouse, where, how long ago, colour of your your bedsheets etc be fully prepared for cross examination. Good luckDavmck70 wrote:Hello everyone,
I love to share my pain and I hope someone will help me here. It is a bit lengthy but I plead you read through as this is a case for thought for everyone.
I am married to a Portuguese national who exercises right via self employment as a caterer in UK. Got married in Oct 11, applied for RC in Nov, 11 which was sent back advising that I needed to re-apply due to insufficient documentation. Reapplied in Jan, 12 and received a COA few weeks after. Application refused sometimes in July,12 for which a letter was sent to solicitor to advise him of decision not to issue RC and right of appeal. Refusal letter was not picked up by solicitor and thus returned to HO. I called HO and was advised of decision and also ROA to which another letter was sent to me in Dec, 12.
I got angry with solicitor and thus moved my case to another solicitor to handle with dignity and professionalism. Reasons for refusal included the following:
You applied for a residence card on 12 January 2012 as the spouse of an EEA national who was exercising their treaty rights in the United Kingdom. You have submitted a Nigerian Marriage Certificate under Section 24 of the Nigerian Marriage Act. All marriages celebrated under this civil marriage act required both parties to be present at the ceremony . .The marriage certificate pertains to a marriage under the Nigerian Marriage Act which precludes marriages by proxy under this Act. Paragraph 11 (1)(a)of the Nigerian Marriage Act states 'before the registrar can issue the certificate he must be satisfied that one.of the parties has been resident within the district in which the marriage is intended to be celebrated at least fifteen days preceding the granting of the certificate' Paragraph 26 of the Nigerian Marriage Act continues by stating that 'The certificate shall then be signed in duplicate by the officiating minister, by the parties, and by two or more witnesses to the marriage' You have signed this marriage certificate and it has also been signed by witnesses... However you have not provided any passports valid from this date for either you or your sponsor with evidence of entry or exit stamps to show that you travelled to Nigeria
It has also been noted that on the marriage certificate provided there is a website address. After investigating the website, it has been highlighted that you can obtain various certificates, such as "'marriage certificates and birth certificates. The website address is (delete were applicable) www.imcnigeria.mysite.com or www.eri-imc.org or www.intergovtmaritcte.org or www.intergovtmaritalete.org or www.intergovernmentalmarriagereg.org which is not affiliated to the Nigeria Authorities.
Further to this it is noted that the certificate contains details of a website shown as www.intergovtmaritallcte.org in the bottom right hand comer in which it is stated that details of registered marriages can be obtained. Domain names such as this are stored within databases such that information on the registered owners of said domain names can be queried and discovered. This is carried out using a search known as a WHOIS search. This can be carried out using a number of internet tools such as the website network-tools.com. On typing the above website into Internet Explorer, in the normal way, does not display anything in terms of what would be classed as a normal website, indeed in this case this is a blank page. Performing the aforementioned "WHOIS" search reveals that this domain name does not appear in records as a registered domain. As such this domain name and indeed website does not exist and therefore cannot be associated with a register of marriages as claimed on the provided certificate.
• Consent of the Parties (i.e. of the spouses, parents, and extended families) • Capacity (e.g. relating to age, subsistence of any other marriage, degrees of relationship and status) • Dowry • Formal Giving Away (of the bride)
The addresses for official Nigerian government are www.nigeria.gov.ng and for the National Population Commission www.population.gov.ng. It would therefore be expected that marriage certificates issued under the Nigerian Marriage Act would bear a website address of an applicable Nigerian governmental body.
The Nigerian COl report 06 April 2011 states that marriage by proxy is not legally valid under Nigerian civil law. Paragraphs 24.19 and 24.21 refer. This means that in order for a marriage under the Nigerian marriage act to be considered legal, both parties to the marriage must have been present at the ceremony at the time the marriage was undertaken. For this reason the UK Border Agency cannot accept the marriage certificate as being lawfully issued and evidence of your relationship and your application fails to meet Regulation 7 of the Immigration (EEA) Regulations 2006. Additionally; according to official UK Border Agency guidance (which is freely available ,to the public), for a customary marriage to be valid in Nigeria the following conditions must be fulfilled:-
You have not provided any evidence that consent was given for the marriage from the parents and extended family of me spouse, you have not provided any evidence of how long the relationship had been subsisting prior to the marriage, you have not provided any evidence that a dowry was provided for the bride as required, and you have not specified how the bride was formally given away. For this reason the UK Border Agency did not accept the marriage certificate as being lawfully issued and evidence of your relationship and your application failed to meet Regulation 7 of the Immigration (EEA) Regulations 2006. You have stated that your EEA sponsor is exercising treaty rights as self employed The accountant letter dated 11 January 2011 (should be the 11 January 12) from accountant states that your EEA sponsor has been trading since Oct, 11. You have submitted a HMRC registration letter dated 30 November 2011 and financial statements dated 31 December 2011. Finally you have submitted bank statements. In order to decide your EEA sponsor is exercising treaty rights as self employed, we require evidence of tax and national insurance to be paid You have submitted no evidence from HMRC confirming that your EEA spouse has paid tax or national insurance. You have submitted bank statements however they do not confirm receipt of services rendered if your EEA sponsor- company is trading. Furthermore, HMRC recommends that National Insurance contributions to be paid via direct debit there is nothing to indicate in the bank statements she is paying NI contributions through her bank account. You state your EEA sponsor is trading as a catering company, HMRC recommends to set up business bank accounts to separate personal banking from business banking. Your EEA sponsor bank account is for a basic cash card account from Barclays. Your EEA spouse accountant letter states her company is trading as ** Catering Services' we can find no trace through internet searches on how your EEA sponsor is advertising for business. You have not submitted evidence that your EEA spouse has paid a tax return for April 2012, according to HMRC, the deadline is the 31 January 2012. Depending on your business and how you trade, you are required by law to'take out certain types of insurance.
The types of insurance you may need are:-
employer's liability insurance. If you employ other people you must have this insurance. It provides cover for claims made by employees who are injured or become ill as a result of their employment
vehicles insurance. Vehicles used for business purposes must be insured even if already insured for private use
public liability insurance. This provides cover against claims by members of the public who have been injured or had property damaged as a result of carelessness at.work by you or your employees
premises insurance. Insurance will be necessary for the premises you work from, even if you work from home and there is already a policy. This is because the insurance will usually only cover residential use
health and accident insurance. These will pay a regular income or lump sum if you are unable to work because of an accident or sickness. You have not submitted sufficient evidence to consider your EEA sponsor as aperson who is self employed. Therefore, it has been decided to refuse to issue the confirmation that you seek with reference to Regulation 6 and 7 of the Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006. In making the decision to refuse your application consideration has been given to the following: • EEA 2 Application. • Nigerian Passport. • Portuguese Passport. • Nigerian Marriage Certificate. • Evidence of Self Employment. • Representative Letter (they omitted accountants letter and other prove submitted like bills, photographs etc). As you appear to have no alternative basis of stay in the United Kingdom you should now make arrangements to leave. If you fail to do so voluntarily your departure may be enforced. In that event we would first contact you again and you would have a separate opportunity to make representations against the proposed removal. Help and advice on returning home can be obtained etc
So I appealed the decision Jan, 13 via my new solicitor with some more evidence to show we went to Nigeria (attached spouse passport that had a Nigerian visa endorsed in it, tickets for flights to Nigeria, stamps in spouse passport showing arrival in Nigeria and also in UK, some more pictures from Nigeria, bills, spouses voter’s card, prove of NI contributions etc ).
The First Tier Tribunal promulgated in June, 13 that the HO should approve RC based on all evidences produced as case worker failed to see that spouse passport had Nigerian visa endorsed in it, did not check provided tickets, did not confirm with HMRC.
HO appealed the decision stating that the First Tier tribunal judge had made a material error of law and did not see the physical spouse EEA passport before concluding the case.
I sent another appeal to the Higher Tribunal in July 13 and while awaiting a hearing date, HO wrote to inform me of an oral interview sometimes in Oct 13.
Please can you all help me out with ideas, comments, questions I should expect and any other things i can look forward to. Thanking you all in advance
Aliaslan wrote:I have made an application under europan law on 2nd September 2013. Last Friday I have received a refusal letter. The reason has been following:
You have failed to provide sufficient evidence to demonstrate that your eea family member is exercising treaty rights as a worker in the UK.
My partner is working for a newspaper-a small new company. I have sent her contract and a letter from her employer. Ukba have tried to phone the company ONCE but no one answered(this can happen)! They say they have googled the company and couldn't find any information-which is clearly untrue because if you google the company you find two pages on google just about the company!
We have forwarded a letter from our council-where it says something about my work to a local ukba worker who advised us that she will forward the letter to the right person!obviously she has not done this!
To top everything up, I have not received my passport back-just the supporting documents and one out of the two photographs.
What shall we do now? Shall we ask for reconsideration?
Does your sponsor(Partner) has 3 months current payslips? To avoid paying again and long waiting for appeals...I would advise you to submit the three current payslips and Headed paper letter with company stamp and request for reconsideration.Aliaslan wrote:I have made an application under europan law on 2nd September 2013. Last Friday I have received a refusal letter. The reason has been following:
You have failed to provide sufficient evidence to demonstrate that your eea family member is exercising treaty rights as a worker in the UK.
My partner is working for a newspaper-a small new company. I have sent her contract and a letter from her employer. Ukba have tried to phone the company ONCE but no one answered(this can happen)! They say they have googled the company and couldn't find any information-which is clearly untrue because if you google the company you find two pages on google just about the company!
We have forwarded a letter from our council-where it says something about my work to a local ukba worker who advised us that she will forward the letter to the right person!obviously she has not done this!
To top everything up, I have not received my passport back-just the supporting documents and one out of the two photographs.
What shall we do now? Shall we ask for reconsideration?
News on my new application: I received a Coa NOT CONFIRMING MY RIGHT TO WORK. What now? What is the reason the one they sent me this time does not state my right to work as the first one? I have sent the same documents, along with more evidence of my wife's self employment, which was what they were questioning. Can I request a new one with right to work?bigsale wrote:wb00 wrote:I have done it and none of them replied.bigsale wrote:Many people on this forum have done so and they were told to send back there document for reconsideration. im sorry for my mistakes. have a good nightJambo wrote: I fail to understand what's the point of firing emails at every direction (apart from releasing steam). Some of the people don't work in UKBA any more. Some addresses are for departments who has nothing to do with European applications. No one likes to get spam. I would imagine people working in the HO are the same.
As suggested, I reapplied (this time with every single aspect of my wife's self employment...documents weighting over a kilo!) and appealed on paper. In addition to all of those, we also sent two handwritten letters explaining that now all the issues have been addressed, that the documents should satisfy them (as we there is nothing else we haven't posted) and that we expect to receive my RC the soonest.
I will keep you informed of the outcome. Thank you for the info and support.
Thats great , im sure the decision will be overturned , keep your finger crossed