Changes Very soon in Tier 1

ssoct98@hotmail.com · Post by **ssoct98@hotmail.com** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:56 pm

confused now its clear that people who are in uk on hsmp under dec 2006 are not affected at all,as they are already on tier 1.
Is am right.

ashik_a_s · Post by **ashik_a_s** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:57 pm

So people who are currently on HSMP and when they to Extend their stay they will be in Tier 1 and will be the same situation?

shockboy2000 · Post by **shockboy2000** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:00 pm

naveen_k_das wrote:Guys ,

A bit of bad news ... i have been in the UK since the beginning of Feb 2009, and i normally followup with recruiters after i apply for a job. Something thats highly worrisome is that the current situation has left consultants /recruiters very confused about our rights. For the first time today i got to hear from consultants that the job that i had applied for is only for Permanent residents , another another instance the consultant said that i needed SC . Pls note that in both these job specs there was no mention of "only for permanent residents" or "SC Clearance" . My gut feel is that even if the govt comes out with a statement, the damage is already done , and it will take some time before consultants actually start considering us . This sucks big time !!!!!

Regards
Naveen

SC clearance has nothing to do with visas/nationality. It's relative to the position. Im on HSMP and have a SC clearance, im sure many other HSMP'ers have it too. When i applied for SC in Feb2008, and one of my British friends applied for it at the same time, it took the British person about 5 weeks to get it, and it took me about 6 weeks.

Sounds like the recruiters you are talking to, dont know much about the jobs they are advertising. Better off speaking to people who already work for the company that you want to work for, and ask them what agent you should use.

Many companies prefer people already have SC clearance, so the company doesnt have to pay for the SC clearance themselves, and you can start immediately...not in 1-3 months time

ssoct98@hotmail.com · Post by **ssoct98@hotmail.com** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:02 pm

kaff your perception is wrong,HSMP and Tier1 are same as tier1 replaced hsmp,i have asked HO and he said yes its same.
so according to confused and i do ring myself,its crystal clear these are not for existing hsmp holders under dec 2006.

umanghere · Post by **umanghere** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:07 pm

yeah, but it will affect if you are on WorkPermit and want to switch TierOne within the UK. Then you need to go through the new rule isnt it ?

waz1234 · Post by **waz1234** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:07 pm

ssoct98@hotmail.com wrote:kaff your perception is wrong,HSMP and Tier1 are same as tier1 replaced hsmp,i have asked HO and he said yes its same.
so according to confused and i do ring myself,its crystal clear these are not for existing hsmp holders under dec 2006.

What do you mean "existing hsmp holders under dec 2006".
I was granted my HSMP in Nov '07, are you suggesting I'm in a different situation?

confusedhsmp · Post by **confusedhsmp** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:15 pm

waz1234 wrote:
ssoct98@hotmail.com wrote:kaff your perception is wrong,HSMP and Tier1 are same as tier1 replaced hsmp,i have asked HO and he said yes its same.
so according to confused and i do ring myself,its crystal clear these are not for existing hsmp holders under dec 2006.
What do you mean "existing hsmp holders under dec 2006".
I was granted my HSMP in Nov '07, are you suggesting I'm in a different situation?

What he meant was after december 2006. So you are in same boat as us. Follow our discussion.

I personally think HSMP (after December 2006) is same as Tier 1. Just the forms and checks changed. All other requirements are almost the same.

Regarding the concern over HSMP/Tier 1 applicants not able to take permenant jobs

I am in process of bringing a claim against one of the biggest bank of UK under Foreign National Discrimintation for not recruiting HSMP Tier 1 applicants. I am getting support from Human Rights and Equlity Group.

Any one who has been refused a post just becasue he/she was on Tier 1 / HSMP should PM me explaining me their situation and what happened. We can probably join our claim with a probable ruling in favour of us.

ssoct98@hotmail.com · Post by **ssoct98@hotmail.com** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:16 pm

NO i repeat again,
Hsmp holders are exempt from this,thats i mm very clear,even if you get stamped in nov 07,you are not affected by new law.

waz1234 · Post by **waz1234** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:17 pm

ssoct98@hotmail.com wrote:NO i repeat again,
Hsmp holders are exempt from this,thats i mm very clear,even if you get stamped in nov 07,you are not affected by new law.

Thanks for the clarification. Seems fairly clear to me.
It's certainly caused confusion for alot of us though.

confusedhsmp · Post by **confusedhsmp** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:22 pm

Section 3 C of Tier 1 Application form makes it even more clear.

Extension applications - HSMP Participants - Point Scoring Assessment

In that case we are extending. NOT SWITCHING

More comments please!

ssoct98@hotmail.com · Post by **ssoct98@hotmail.com** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:29 pm

100% agreed with confused.

carrera4 · Post by **carrera4** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:30 pm

Hmmm it is too early to talk in these terms, about anything being "clear". We are all just busy speculating. Until the new Tier 1 guidance notes etc etc are available, publicly and IN WRITING, from an official source, not some visa agency or someone reading a memo over the phone, we are only guessing. We'll have to wait to find out, let's just hope the wait isn't too long. Fingers crossed extension applications are not affected, but I'm still not convinced AT ALL

shammi · Post by **shammi** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:34 pm

ssoct98@hotmail.com wrote:Good news,
No need to worry guys,just spoken to WP,and they said it is not affected anyone inside the uk,only for those who are applying for ist time,as Hsmp replaced by Tier 1,so they are extending its stay.
According to him they receive a notice today that resident not affected only new applicant are affected.

so Relax.

I hope , Applying for 1st Time means applying for 1st time after 31st March.
On a lighter note, Hope this is turns out to be just a bigtime April fool prank by HO

confusedhsmp · Post by **confusedhsmp** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:41 pm

carrera4 wrote:Hmmm it is too early to talk in these terms, about anything being "clear". We are all just busy speculating. Until the new Tier 1 guidance notes etc etc are available, publicly and IN WRITING, from an official source, not some visa agency or someone reading a memo over the phone, we are only guessing. We'll have to wait to find out, let's just hope the wait isn't too long. Fingers crossed extension applications are not affected, but I'm still not convinced AT ALL

You are right. We should wait until we get something down in writing on the HO website or new policy guidance.

BUT I would suggest that you contribute and try phoning the HO to enquire the same yourself aswell..Just to make sure that we are not missing on anything.

Caza · Post by **Caza** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:56 pm

I find the masters degree rule completely ridiculous. I know so many really high skilled people who are very successful in their careers that do not hold a masters. They are so blind to see how the world is changing.

I was planning on going back to new zealand to apply for tier 1 to stay longer and now this all complicates things. And seriously thousands to brits enter nz every year too. Perhaps the same rules should apply for them. It completely destroys friendly exchange of skilled workers.

It is complete arrogance and ignorance. Legal skilled immigration has never done any country any harm. I'm so so infuriated by all this!

Kaff · Post by **Kaff** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:23 pm

ssoct98@hotmail.com wrote:kaff your perception is wrong,HSMP and Tier1 are same as tier1 replaced hsmp,i have asked HO and he said yes its same.
so according to confused and i do ring myself,its crystal clear these are not for existing hsmp holders under dec 2006.

this is what I said, Hsmp and Tier1 are the same, see my answer in response to nonilight question.
All HSMP to Tier1 extending should not be worried, this change will only effect to new comers! Thanks

ashik_a_s · Post by **ashik_a_s** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:31 pm

I found this on the Tier1 Policy Guide dated April 1,2008

On 29 February 2008, Tier 1 (General) of the PBS will be
introduced in the UK and the Immigration Rules for Leave to
Remain as a Highly Skilled Migrant will be deleted. This means
that migrants can no longer apply either for an HSMP approval
letter while they are in the UK or for Further Leave to Remain
in HSMP. In-country applications for HSMP approval letters
made on or before 28 February 2008 will be processed. Any
in-country applications for HSMP approval letters made on or
after 29 February 2008 will be returned. Current holders of
HSMP leave who wish to apply for an extension on or after 29
February 2008, will need to apply under Tier 1 (General) of
PBS.

I think this makes it clear that HSMP replaces Tier 1 and all HSMP holders after dec 2006 till 29th Feb 2008, will need to apply leave as Tier -1

jd · Post by jd » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:39 pm

ashik_a_s wrote: I think this makes it clear that HSMP replaces Tier 1 and all HSMP holders after dec 2006 till 29th Feb 2008, will need to apply leave as Tier -1

yes, Tier 1 replaced HSMP.. I agree in my personal opinion

Thanks
JD

nionlight · Post by **nionlight** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:43 pm

ashik_a_s wrote:I found this on the Tier1 Policy Guide dated April 1,2008

On 29 February 2008, Tier 1 (General) of the PBS will be
introduced in the UK and the Immigration Rules for Leave to
Remain as a Highly Skilled Migrant will be deleted. This means
that migrants can no longer apply either for an HSMP approval
letter while they are in the UK or for Further Leave to Remain
in HSMP. In-country applications for HSMP approval letters
made on or before 28 February 2008 will be processed. Any
in-country applications for HSMP approval letters made on or
after 29 February 2008 will be returned. Current holders of
HSMP leave who wish to apply for an extension on or after 29
February 2008, will need to apply under Tier 1 (General) of
PBS.

I think this makes it clear that HSMP replaces Tier 1 and all HSMP holders after dec 2006 till 29th Feb 2008, will need to apply leave as Tier -1

Current holders of
HSMP leave who wish to apply for an extension on or after 29
February 2008, will need to apply under Tier 1 (General) of
PBS
i dont find it clear which says, HSMP is replacing Tier 1. it seems from the statemnet tht, we have to apply as Tier 1 when we apply for extension that means we are applying to a new cateory. when we pply for extension then the case officer will see it as a new Tier 1 application. i dont know may be i am confused. may be its just me..

ashik_a_s · Post by **ashik_a_s** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:49 pm

It will not be treated a s a new application and it means that you are extending your stay as Tier 1 as there is no HSMP exists.

kawasaki1 · Post by **kawasaki1** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:50 pm

Guys, if you are currently on HSMP your status has not been changed by Tier 1. HOWEVER, when you come to extension then your status does change to Tier 1 as you CANNOT extend HSMP. Simples.

nionlight · Post by **nionlight** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:54 pm

kawasaki1 wrote:Guys, if you are currently on HSMP your status has not been changed by Tier 1. HOWEVER, when you come to extension then your status does change to Tier 1 as you CANNOT extend HSMP. Simples.

so what does it mean? we are not in Tier one yet so we are in HSMP then when we will apply for extension we will apply for Tier 1, isn't it? so it means we will be new applicant for Tier 1? and if so then this rule effects us.. correct me if i am wrong or confused..

hsmp28122006 · Post by **hsmp28122006** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:54 pm

hsmp28122006 wrote:Email sent to Maria Miller (conservative MP) with necessary amendments.

I got following response from my local MP's Secretary:

Dear **********,

Thank you for your email to Maria Miller which will receive attention.

Regards,

Lynn Fox
Secretary to Maria Miller

aaammmiii · Post by **aaammmiii** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:56 pm

Dear Friends,

I think we should all wait for a few more days to get the correct and authentic details of the changes announced recently. I called 08706067766 and was informed that they do not have more information than I have and was not ready to answer my specific question about whether the Master's Degree rule will affect my application for Tier1 after 1st April 2009. Further information will be available in due course of time (may be when the new guidance notes and the application form is available).

Hope HO should have given us more notice than this.

Regards,
Amit

confusedhsmp · Post by **confusedhsmp** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:02 pm

Phone HO on -> 011 420 740 74 <- WP departmenr dealing with HSMP enquiries.

Not 0870 one.

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