NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

[Jhumbo]

[quote="Rajuk09"][quote="Jhumbo"][quote="Rajuk09"]Hi Jhumbo, Just wanted to confirm m, in your email , did you mention it is for Naturalisation ? Wondering if HO understood your question for the right category ?
Raj[/quote]

Hi,

Yes I did mention it was for BC.
I have today received below follow up email from HO:


Dear Sir,

Thank you for your enquiry.

The points based calculator contains information about degrees that is regularly updated by UK NARIC, therefore applicants who obtained a degree overseas, for which the online points calculator has awarded ten points for English language skill, can submit evidence from the calculator, together with the original certification of that degree, to demonstrate that they have met the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK requirement. They will however still need to pass the Life in the UK test.

Applicants are awarded points for English when the calculator confirms that their degree:

∙ meets or exceeds the equivalent level to UK Bachelors degree; and

∙ was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level B1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).

I trust this answers your question.

Regards[/quote]
Just a thought about these replies from HO , Hope you guys (OP and Jhumbo) got EC by either HSMP/T1/T2/Work permit and during those times (atleast after PBS norms) ,even during ILR Degree/Masters were checked, so why do HO needs Degree certificate again ? Replies seems still to be a vague answer ? for me :-([/quote]

Hi
Why not write HO and request for a more direct answers if you beleive the answers they've provided so far are vague and of no use.
HO email addresses have been provided somewhere on this thread and please remember to share with forum when you receive those direct answers.

Jhumbo

[Rajuk09]

Sure Jhumbo , I will do it . I was trying to help myself and everyone in thisw forum to think about this situation when you receive an answer for a PBS EC person. Logically these people would have submitted atleast twice in their journey to reach here ,Anyway when are you applying? Are you going with the PBS pirntout only ?
Or any one who is successful in doing so ? atleast NCS accepted it as proof ?

[n0mi]

I am family member of EEA National. I was student before that so no PBS. I wish to apply for Naturalisation.
Knowledge of language and life in the UK:

I have passed the Life in the UK test.

I have a graduation degree from Pakistan ( Bs Computer Science). The qualification has been deemed by UK NARIC and meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s degree in the UK.

I have a letter from my College where i studied Bachelor degree that the qualification was taught and researched in English.

I would like to know if the documents above are sufficient to meet the KOLL requirement or do i need English Language Assessment statement from UK NARIC too.

If not then on AN form which options need to be marked?

•Certificate showing that you have obtained an academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and

(i) an English Language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC
confirming that the qualification was taught or researched in English or

(ii) the qualification was taught or researched in the UK or a majority English speaking country (other than Canada)

I called home office on two different numbers both gave different reply. one said college letter is enough other said u need UK NARIC ELA.

Hope to hear from someone soon.

[Rajuk09]

Jsut wondering did anyone get away with NCS showing PBS calculator printouts ? Or any new emails from UKBA ? I am still waiting to receive a reply.

[n0mi]

Had a reply frmo UKBA today:


KNOWLEDGE OF LANGUAGE AND LIFE IN THE UK REQUIREMEN

Qualifications Fact Sheet

Thank you for your enquiry to our Inbox. This sheet gives information about English language qualifications that can be used for the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KoLL) requirement. Further information can be found on our website, which we will update to provide information about frequently asked questions: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... ypes/natur alisation/kol/.

If your query can be answered by the information below we will not reply directly.

English language tests

1. Will my qualification meet the requirement?

We cannot advise about individual qualifications. Your qualification should be at B1 CEFR level or above and be on the attached list.

If you are not sure if your qualification is one of those on the list, you may wish to contact the college where you studied.

2. Do I need to pass all parts of the qualification?

Some of the qualifications which we accept include speaking and listening as part of a wider qualification which also covers reading and writing skills, but other qualifications are available which concentrate on speaking and listening skills only. Those who are unable to demonstrate all 4 communicative skills are advised to study for a qualification that concentrates on speaking and listening skills only. We will accept a pass certificate for one of the tests on the list. We will not look at scores for each part of the test.

3. What if your website says my qualification expires after 2 years?

The expiry dates on that list do not apply to settlement or citizenship applications. If your test is on the attached list it will be acceptable.

4. I sent my documents for a previous application. Do I need to send them again?

Yes. Evidence that an English language requirement was met for entry clearance purposes is only held by the post abroad for a limited period. In addition, this information is not easily accessible to caseworkers in the UK. You should therefore send evidence of your qualification with your application.

Degree Qualifications

5. Will my degree meet the requirement?

If you have a qualification that was taught or researched in English you can meet the language part of the requirement if:

- Your qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK, or

- Your qualification was taught or researched in an English speaking country other than Canada (see list below).

You will need to send your certificate as evidence of your qualification.

6. How do I show that my qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to be the recognised standard?

UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded ten points for English language skill, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement.

Alternatively, you can obtain confirmation from UK NARIC that your qualification was taught or researched in English by requesting an English Language Assessment (ELA). Details of how to contact UK NARIC can be found at: http://ecctis.co.uk/naric/Contact%20Us.aspx

ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES

The following are classed as English speaking countries for the KoLL requirement:

Antigua and Barbuda Guyana

Australia Jamaica

The Bahamas New Zealand

Barbados St Kitts and Nevis

Belize St Lucia

Canada St Vincent and the Grenadines

Dominica Trinidad and Tobago

Grenada The United States of America

The Republic of Ireland is also included for citizenship applications.

RECOGNISED ENGLISH TESTS AND QUALIFICATIONS AT A LEVEL

EQUIVALENT TO LEVEL B1 CEFR OR ABOVE

Awarding body Specified English language test or qualification

Cambridge English

(previously known as

Cambridge ESOL)

Business Language Testing Service (BULATS) Online Test (Certificated version)

Cambridge English: Key (also known as Key English Test)

Cambridge English: Preliminary (also known as Preliminary English Test)

Cambridge English: First (also known as First Certificate in English)

Cambridge English: Advanced (also known as Certificate in Advanced English)

Cambridge English: Proficiency (also known as Certificate of Proficiency in English)

Cambridge English: Business Preliminary (also known as Business English Certificate Preliminary)

Cambridge English: Business Vantage (also known as Business English Certificate Vantage)

Cambridge English: Business Higher (also known as Business English Certificate Higher)

Cambridge English: Legal (also known as International Legal English Certificate)

Cambridge English: Financial (also known as International Legal English Certificate)

ESOL Skills for Life at Entry level 3, level 1 or level 2

IELTS (International English Language Testing System)

Cambridge International Examinations

Cambridge IGCSE: English as a First Language

Cambridge IGCSE: English as a Second Language

City and Guilds City and Guilds International ESOL (IESOL) Diploma

Educational Testing Service

Test of English as a Foreign Language Internet Based Test (TOEFL iBT)

Test of English for International Communication (TOEIC)

Pearson Pearson Test of English Academic (PTE Academic)

Trinity College London ESOL Skills for Life at Entry level 3, level 1 or level 2

Integrated Skills in English

[Rajuk09]

Great n0mi .... thank you for sharing I liked this part

6. How do I show that my qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to be the recognised standard?

UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded ten points for English language skill, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement.

Gurus atleast now some advice on this please ...

[chopchak]

I also asked the similar question and got the pdf Factsheet stating that printout from PBS calculator and Degree in original would be enough.

[bcan13]

I also asked the similar question and got the pdf Factsheet stating that printout from PBS calculator and Degree in original would be enough.

Do you mind reminding us what the pdf factsheet is please? I am in the same situation and got an appointment booked for tomorrow with NCS. Planning to go with PBS printout however a bit worried that NCS people would not accept it.
Thanks

[Rajuk09]

I too received the same answer with fact sheet attached. Not sure how to attach the fact sheet here. Let me know if its possible. But the reply is as follows

From: Nationality Policy Team - Liverpool <NationalityPolicyTeam.Liverpool@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk>;

Dear Raj,

Thank you for your e-mail.


The answer to your question can be found at section 6 of the attached factsheet.

I hope this helps.

Jane Whitehead

And Section 6 states as below

6. How do I show that my qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to be the recognised standard?
UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded ten points for English language skill, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement.
Alternatively, you can obtain confirmation from UK NARIC that your qualification was taught or researched in English by requesting an English Language Assessment (ELA). Details of how to contact UK NARIC can be found at: http://ecctis.co.uk/naric/Contact%20Us.aspx

All the very best bcan13.. Keep us posted, how NCS treats this evidence.
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[bcan13]

I too received the same answer with fact sheet attached. Not sure how to attach the fact sheet here. Let me know if its possible. But the reply is as follows

From: Nationality Policy Team - Liverpool <NationalityPolicyTeam.Liverpool@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk>;

Dear Raj,

Thank you for your e-mail.


The answer to your question can be found at section 6 of the attached factsheet.

I hope this helps.

Jane Whitehead

And Section 6 states as below

6. How do I show that my qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to be the recognised standard?
UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded ten points for English language skill, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement.
Alternatively, you can obtain confirmation from UK NARIC that your qualification was taught or researched in English by requesting an English Language Assessment (ELA). Details of how to contact UK NARIC can be found at: http://ecctis.co.uk/naric/Contact%20Us.aspx

All the very best bcan13.. Keep us posted, how NCS treats this evidence.
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Do you mind sending it to my email? It would be great to bring it with to the NCS. I will PM you now!
Thanks

[chopchak]

Not sure how to attached pdf document. I can email you If you give me your email id.

[Rajuk09]

I too received the same answer with fact sheet attached. Not sure how to attach the fact sheet here. Let me know if its possible. But the reply is as follows

From: Nationality Policy Team - Liverpool <NationalityPolicyTeam.Liverpool@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk>;

Dear Raj,

Thank you for your e-mail.


The answer to your question can be found at section 6 of the attached factsheet.

I hope this helps.

Jane Whitehead

And Section 6 states as below

6. How do I show that my qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to be the recognised standard?
UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded ten points for English language skill, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement.
Alternatively, you can obtain confirmation from UK NARIC that your qualification was taught or researched in English by requesting an English Language Assessment (ELA). Details of how to contact UK NARIC can be found at: http://ecctis.co.uk/naric/Contact%20Us.aspx

All the very best bcan13.. Keep us posted, how NCS treats this evidence.
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Do you mind sending it to my email? It would be great to bring it with to the NCS. I will PM you now!
Thanks

I have emailed you the factsheet.

[bcan13]

Not sure how to attached pdf document. I can email you If you give me your email id.

You guys are awesome, thanks for the help, i will make sure keep you updated on my visit...

[bcan13]

I too received the same answer with fact sheet attached. Not sure how to attach the fact sheet here. Let me know if its possible. But the reply is as follows

From: Nationality Policy Team - Liverpool <NationalityPolicyTeam.Liverpool@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk>;

Dear Raj,

Thank you for your e-mail.


The answer to your question can be found at section 6 of the attached factsheet.

I hope this helps.

Jane Whitehead

And Section 6 states as below

6. How do I show that my qualification is deemed by UK NARIC to be the recognised standard?
UK NARIC regularly update the online points based calculator (which is on our website) with information about various degrees. If you obtained a degree overseas and were awarded ten points for English language skill, you can submit evidence from the online points calculator, together with the original degree certificate, to demonstrate that you can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK (KOLL) requirement.
Alternatively, you can obtain confirmation from UK NARIC that your qualification was taught or researched in English by requesting an English Language Assessment (ELA). Details of how to contact UK NARIC can be found at: http://ecctis.co.uk/naric/Contact%20Us.aspx

All the very best bcan13.. Keep us posted, how NCS treats this evidence.
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Do you mind sending it to my email? It would be great to bring it with to the NCS. I will PM you now!
Thanks

I have emailed you the factsheet.

Thanks a lot! Will take a printout with me.

[Manisharnie]

Can somebody please email me the factsheet at manishgpt08@gmail.com, I will be really thankful. I am in same situation and planning to have my NCS appointment in next couple of weeks.

[bcan13]

Can somebody please email me the factsheet at manishgpt08@gmail.com, I will be really thankful. I am in same situation and planning to have my NCS appointment in next couple of weeks.

Just sent you an email

[bcan13]

http://filepanzer.com/get_uXzK9g2G

[jah79]

I received my BA (Hons) degree in 2002 from a South African university and though it was taught in English I scored 0 points on the calculator.

If I ask NARIC to confirm that this degree was taught in English would they then just say their calculator doesn't recognize it? Am I thus better just doing an English test instead?

Jeez this all seems ridiculous, I could speak to a UKBA employee over the phone for 10 seconds to prove it!

PS - Even more ridiculous that South Africa does not fall under 'majority English' country, which it obviously is. Obviously this is all politics.

[SANB]

All - Thanks for your useful info. If we can supply PBS Calculator print out as proof for Knowledge of English requirement, what option we need to select in the application form. I am looking at application form AN. In that under entry 1.22 two options are there i) UK Naric has confirmed that the qualification was taught or researched in English; or
ii) the qualification was taught or researched in the Uk or a majority English speaking country.

Last week I sent e-mail to Home Office but not yet received any reply.

[bcan13]

I received my BA (Hons) degree in 2002 from a South African university and though it was taught in English I scored 0 points on the calculator.

If I ask NARIC to confirm that this degree was taught in English would they then just say their calculator doesn't recognize it? Am I thus better just doing an English test instead?

Jeez this all seems ridiculous, I could speak to a UKBA employee over the phone for 10 seconds to prove it!

PS - Even more ridiculous that South Africa does not fall under 'majority English' country, which it obviously is. Obviously this is all politics.

Howzit? I am shocked that SA is not included as an English speaking country. Having said that how many official languages to they got there...

The only thing I can think of why you got 0 points is that maybe your degree is not comparable to a UK Bachelors therefore whether it is English or not it won't give you the points. Have you checked whether your degree is shown as a UK equivalent one? As far as I know if you study in SA, you need to do your honours to be accepted as a Bachelors of Europe.. might be totally wrong though...

[bcan13]

All - Thanks for your useful info. If we can supply PBS Calculator print out as proof for Knowledge of English requirement, what option we need to select in the application form. I am looking at application form AN. In that under entry 1.22 two options are there i) UK Naric has confirmed that the qualification was taught or researched in English; or
ii) the qualification was taught or researched in the Uk or a majority English speaking country.

Last week I sent e-mail to Home Office but not yet received any reply.

sorry did not get your question here.

Did you study in the UK? if yes, you don't need to show anything other than your degree certificate. so you need to check ii.

[SANB]

I got B.Tech degree from India and this degree is available in PBS calculator. My Question is in the Naturalisation application form there is no option to choose this. The options are whether degree taught in UK or certified from UK NARIC.

[bcan13]

I got B.Tech degree from India and this degree is available in PBS calculator. My Question is in the Naturalisation application form there is no option to choose this. The options are whether degree taught in UK or certified from UK NARIC.

your degree is from India not from UK.

if it is on PBS (and you get your points), it means NARIC recognises your degree.

[ken218]

I received my BA (Hons) degree in 2002 from a South African university and though it was taught in English I scored 0 points on the calculator.

If I ask NARIC to confirm that this degree was taught in English would they then just say their calculator doesn't recognize it? Am I thus better just doing an English test instead?

Jeez this all seems ridiculous, I could speak to a UKBA employee over the phone for 10 seconds to prove it!

PS - Even more ridiculous that South Africa does not fall under 'majority English' country, which it obviously is. Obviously this is all politics.

Which university was that? I have a degree from UCT, and it was accepted.

[jah79]

Stellenbosch. I tried same details but with UCT and UNISA and both got 10 points. Probably due to the fact that historically Stellenbosch was an Afrikaans university, but my post-grad course was all English.

I received my BA (Hons) degree in 2002 from a South African university and though it was taught in English I scored 0 points on the calculator.

If I ask NARIC to confirm that this degree was taught in English would they then just say their calculator doesn't recognize it? Am I thus better just doing an English test instead?

Jeez this all seems ridiculous, I could speak to a UKBA employee over the phone for 10 seconds to prove it!

PS - Even more ridiculous that South Africa does not fall under 'majority English' country, which it obviously is. Obviously this is all politics.

Which university was that? I have a degree from UCT, and it was accepted.