CSI for student and worker

[Noetic]

thanks a lot for answers, that's really helpful I'll fill my application without mentioning I was a student or worked as self employed in that case.

as for proving I worked during that period, do you think collection of p60s covering every year would be enough or should I include some payslips too?

P60s are the neatest solution but if you have employment contracts or a letter from your employer that's always useful too.

[noajthan]

thanks a lot for answers, that's really helpful I'll fill my application without mentioning I was a student or worked as self employed in that case.

as for proving I worked during that period, do you think collection of p60s covering every year would be enough or should I include some payslips too?

My understanding is that would be a mistake.
Read the declaration on the form by which you have to vouch for your information.

Suggest you provide the timeline of all activities plus a cogent paragraph spoonfeeding the caseworker by pointing out what you believe is the qualifying period. Submit your unimpeachable supporting evidence for that period.

Don't forget the caseworker may run crosschecks which flag up your carefree student days and/or periods of employment/self-employment.
Why set their spidey senses tingling unnecessarily.

Read the guidance on what to provide. Have you checked it out?

Yes, include payslips! Noone (in HO) is going to give you the benefit of doubt.

[lesterburnham]

thanks noajthan, I gathered from others advice in this topic that submitting too much (evidence of employment, full time studies and month of self employment) might confuse worker (and cause more harm than good) rather than spoon-feed..

If I submit all evidence as you suggest, how should I point out what I think is qualifying period and avoid application being rejected due to not having Comprehensive Sickness Insurance when I was student?

As for evidence of employment, I thought p60s would contain enough info, am I wrong in that assumption? If so, should I submit all payslips?
This would be ok for last 5 years as I was paid monthly, but between 2007-2010 I was paid weekly, which would mean I would submit over 200 payslips altogether (52*3 for 2007-2010 and 12*5 for 2011-2016) - that sounds like overkill to me?

[noajthan]

thanks noajthan, I gathered from others advice in this topic that submitting too much (evidence of employment, full time studies and month of self employment) might confuse worker (and cause more harm than good) rather than spoon-feed..

If I submit all evidence as you suggest, how should I point out what I think is qualifying period and avoid application being rejected due to not having Comprehensive Sickness Insurance when I was student?

As for evidence of employment, I thought p60s would contain enough info, am I wrong in that assumption? If so, should I submit all payslips?
This would be ok for last 5 years as I was paid monthly, but between 2007-2010 I was paid weekly, which would mean I would submit over 200 payslips altogether (52*3 for 2007-2010 and 12*5 for 2011-2016) - that sounds like overkill to me?

Members have reported success by including samples of payslips to complement their P60s.

The point is you want something in reserve if the caseworker chooses to disregard one particular document or other for some reason. Because they will make the decision based on what's submitted to them.

Don't give HO the Spam of 'wriggle room'! You don't want to risk one year being ignored if, say, one P60 contains some typo.

If you have some period in which you had two potential categories of qualifying activity going on (for example studying and working) then add a cogent paragraph in the additional info section of the form;
- highlight the qualifying period and the relevant category of qualified person.
Back it up with the necessary and unimpeachable documentary supporting evidence for your strongest category.

You won't have strong evidence to submit for the studies anyway because no CSI, so simply mention it in the timeline; no need to prove it.

For example, if working and studying (but without CSI) state that you acquired PR automatically due to exercising treaty rights as a worker (qualified person) from year x to year y.
If another category followed on (for a subsequent period) then refer to that too.

Accentuate the positive!

[lesterburnham]

so are you suggesting I list all activities in section 9 (employment,studies and self employment) but only supply documentation backing my employment + write explanation in 9.9 (page 50) that I'd like my application to be based on my worker status as I worked without breaks (even when I was studying and was self-employed) since I arrived to UK?

that makes sense to supply example payslips - do you reckon 2 for each year (mid financial year and end of financial year) would be enough?

[noajthan]

so are you suggesting I list all activities in section 9 (employment,studies and self employment) but only supply documentation backing my employment + write explanation in 9.9 (page 50) that I'd like my application to be based on my worker status as I worked without breaks (even when I was studying and was self-employed) since I arrived to UK?

that makes sense to supply example payslips - do you reckon 2 for each year (mid financial year and end of financial year) would be enough?

Yes, you've got it; something along those lines. Just make sure you can back it with rock-solid documentation.
In that way you can vouch for the completeness of the application and timeline.

I'd go for 4 or 6 payslips a year. There's no hard and fast rule.

Dig out some of member ohara's posts about his application, that could give you a steer. And I think member LilyLalilu has advised already.

[lesterburnham]

thanks a lot noajthan, you're super helpful last question, do you reckon it's worthwhile to also send p45 in addition to payslips and p60s?

[noajthan]

thanks a lot noajthan, you're super helpful last question, do you reckon it's worthwhile to also send p45 in addition to payslips and p60s?

I can only imagine it backs your case so yes, you could do that.

Suggest keep scans and copies of all the documents you submit as well as of the form and payment details - all for future reference.

[lesterburnham]

are they not sending submitted documents back?

[Noetic]

are they not sending submitted documents back?

They do but not your form. Also things can get lost and for your own peace of mind it's good to have a copy of exactly what you sent.

[noajthan]

are they not sending submitted documents back?

Yes - eventually; but it may be prudent to have a record of what you sent,

And in case of refusal such a record will help you fight your corner.
After all failing to plan is planning to fail.

[ohara]

They will return your documents other than any covering letters you may have included.

[lesterburnham]

great, thanks for replies


so, I'm completing section 9 (relevant EEA national's activity in the UK). I'm planning to complete it as follow:

section A.1 (summary of activity):
05/2007 - present - Working (I was also working when doing activities listed below)
09/2009 - 09/2013 - Studying
08/2015 - 08/2015 - Self employed

and then, shall I complete any of:
A.3 (self employment), A.5 (study), A.6 (financial resources during studies), A.7 (CSI)
or leave blank since I want to apply based on uninterrupted work?

Then, in A.9 I'll give longer explanation (mentioning section A.1) stating that I worked since I arrived in UK, my work was not interrupted when I was self employed and studying and that I would like to "exercise treaty rights"* based on my worker status. (* - shall I word it "exercise treaty rights" or "my application for permanent residence certificate")

sorry about asking about this again but I really want to make it as sensible as it can be.

[noajthan]

great, thanks for replies

so, I'm completing section 9 (relevant EEA national's activity in the UK). I'm planning to complete it as follow:

...

and then, shall I complete any of:
A.3 (self employment), A.5 (study), A.6 (financial resources during studies), A.7 (CSI)
or leave blank since I want to apply based on uninterrupted work?

Then, in A.9 I'll give longer explanation (mentioning section A.1) stating that I worked since I arrived in UK, my work was not interrupted when I was self employed and studying and that I would like to "exercise treaty rights"* based on my worker status. (* - shall I word it "exercise treaty rights" or "my application for permanent residence certificate")

sorry about asking about this again but I really want to make it as sensible as it can be.

Fill it all in, for all activities - caseworker will figure it out - that's her job.
And if you miss something she should spot it, after all yours is not the first one she's seen.

Suggest phrase your cogent explanatory and supporting paragraph along the lines of...

to be considered as a worker qualified person due to my period of genuine and effective work throughout <period ...> during which time my other activities (including study and selfemployment) were marginal and supplementary to my employment.