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Post by vinny » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:05 am

Useful to know:
Amos v Secretary of State for the Home Department [2011] EWCA Civ 552 (12 May 2011) wrote:40. The italics are mine. Ms Theophilus does not suggest that the procedural law of the Tribunal hindered her ability to prove her case. Rule 51 of the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal (Procedure) Rules 2005 authorises the Tribunal to "allow oral, documentary or other evidence to be given of any fact which appears to be relevant to an appeal" … even if that evidence would be inadmissible in a court of law. Furthermore, as Mr Eicke pointed out, Ms Theophilus could have applied under regulation 50 for a witness summons requiring her ex-husband to attend and give evidence as to whether or not he was and had been working. She did not do so. Nor did she seek a direction under rule 45 requiring the Secretary of State to provide any information necessary for the determination of her appeal. Indeed, she made no relevant application to the Tribunal. As Maurice Kay LJ pointed out in the course of argument, in these circumstances it is impossible to identify any error of law on the part of the Tribunal in this respect.
Update: The Tribunal Procedure (First-tier Tribunal) (Immigration and Asylum Chamber) Rules 2014

2005 > 2014
45 > 5
50 > 15
51 > 14

Basically, you need to ask the Home Office to get the data, give them very good reasons why they should do so. If that is refused (likely if there is no DV) then you are in a strong position to persuade a judge to issue directions.
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Post by arunsharma » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:18 am

dear vinny, thanks for your post, and i tried my best to understand this link, but the language is very complicated. i will be thankful to you if you describe in few words, the basic mean of this link. Plus, my problem is this, that my everything is OK, but one thing is making me upset, that i'm gonna get divorce after exactly 3 years, and this thing made me worried. what do you think about this Point?

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Post by reda » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:20 am

arunsharma wrote:dear vinny, thanks for your post, and i tried my best to understand this link, but the language is very complicated. i will be thankful to you if you describe in few words, the basic mean of this link. Plus, my problem is this, that my everything is OK, but one thing is making me upset, that i'm gonna get divorce after exactly 3 years, and this thing made me worried. what do you think about this Point?
hi,
the law is exactly 3 years before you fill the petition application,so you wont be divorced till at least 3 months after that,so don't worry about that,if the HO suspect some thing they will ask about more proof of cohabitation(which in your case you have to submit as much as you have even separate letter in the same address )but if U still have doubt about it delay your divorce for 1or2 months after the 3 years.

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Post by vinny » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:22 am

arunsharma wrote:dear vinny, thanks for your post, and i tried my best to understand this link, but the language is very complicated. i will be thankful to you if you describe in few words, the basic mean of this link. Plus, my problem is this, that my everything is OK, but one thing is making me upset, that i'm gonna get divorce after exactly 3 years, and this thing made me worried. what do you think about this Point?
If you are unable to prove that your ex-spouse was/is a qualified person or PR status due to your ex-spouse's lack of cooperation/contact, or whatever reasons, then there're certain procedures open to help you, as outlined.
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Post by Obie » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:55 pm

We cannot predict what views the HO will take of your marriage.

However if they take an adverse view, they will be required to provide a basis for taking such views, and allow you to address them.

Simply applying for divorce on the 3 year of your marriage should not lead to the conclusion that your marriage is one of convenience.
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Post by arunsharma » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:42 pm

thanks obie, vinnay and reda. but does somebody know some case about divorce after almost exactly 3 years of marriage and got ROR (just a question), if Yes, then please share with me that weblink. thanks

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Post by Nimitta » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:00 pm

mcovet wrote:You would need to prove she was exercising treaty rights (same thing as you used to apply for your initial residence card presumably on form eea2) before initiating divorce and throughout the divorce proceedings (which could take a long time if you do not want a divorce yourself).
Why "before initiating divorce and throughout the divorce proceedings"? I thought non-EEA should prove that the EEA spouse was working during the period between Decree Nisi and Decree Absolute. What does "before" means then? How far "before"?

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a lot of reading but still confused about RoR!

Post by jackfruit » Wed May 22, 2013 2:47 pm

This is a great forum. Thanks to all the volunteers who help each other and share their knowledge.

I have a question myself and would like some clarification. Thanks in advance.
  • Married in Aug 2007
    Came to UK in Jan 2010
    EU spouse full-time student since then till present
    RC recieved Jun 2010
    Lived together in UK from Jan 2010 till Jun 2012 (all documents available)
    Separated in Jun 2012
    EU spouse applied for divorce
    Decree Absolute Today (May 2013)
    EU spouse full time student + has comprehensive insurance cover from divorce initiation till decree absolute (Oct 2012 till May 2013)
    I am on full-time employment since Jan 2010 till present
My questions are:
1) Can I apply for RoR on the basis that my ex was a student exercising treaty rights?

2) The RoR requires 3 years marriage, 1 year living together in UK and EU spouse exercising treaty rights on the date of divorce initiation till decree absolute and at the same time non-EU (myself) to exercise treaty rights since decree absolute - I tick all boxes, however,
- my ex is unwilling to give me any proof that she was exercising treaty rights on the date of divorce initiation till decree absolute (ie, letter form university or something like that)

What are my options?

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Re: a lot of reading but still confused about RoR!

Post by jackfruit » Sun May 26, 2013 6:56 pm

jackfruit wrote:This is a great forum. Thanks to all the volunteers who help each other and share their knowledge.

I have a question myself and would like some clarification. Thanks in advance.
  • Married in Aug 2007
    Came to UK in Jan 2010
    EU spouse full-time student since then till present
    RC recieved Jun 2010
    Lived together in UK from Jan 2010 till Jun 2012 (all documents available)
    Separated in Jun 2012
    EU spouse applied for divorce
    Decree Absolute Today (May 2013)
    EU spouse full time student + has comprehensive insurance cover from divorce initiation till decree absolute (Oct 2012 till May 2013)
    I am on full-time employment since Jan 2010 till present
My questions are:
1) Can I apply for RoR on the basis that my ex was a student exercising treaty rights?

2) The RoR requires 3 years marriage, 1 year living together in UK and EU spouse exercising treaty rights on the date of divorce initiation till decree absolute and at the same time non-EU (myself) to exercise treaty rights since decree absolute - I tick all boxes, however,
- my ex is unwilling to give me any proof that she was exercising treaty rights on the date of divorce initiation till decree absolute (ie, letter form university or something like that)

What are my options?
Anyone? Please shed some light. I would be very grateful.

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Re: a lot of reading but still confused about RoR!

Post by askmeplz82 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:23 am

jackfruit wrote:
jackfruit wrote:This is a great forum. Thanks to all the volunteers who help each other and share their knowledge.

I have a question myself and would like some clarification. Thanks in advance.
  • Married in Aug 2007
    Came to UK in Jan 2010
    EU spouse full-time student since then till present
    RC recieved Jun 2010
    Lived together in UK from Jan 2010 till Jun 2012 (all documents available)
    Separated in Jun 2012
    EU spouse applied for divorce
    Decree Absolute Today (May 2013)
    EU spouse full time student + has comprehensive insurance cover from divorce initiation till decree absolute (Oct 2012 till May 2013)
    I am on full-time employment since Jan 2010 till present
My questions are:
1) Can I apply for RoR on the basis that my ex was a student exercising treaty rights?

2) The RoR requires 3 years marriage, 1 year living together in UK and EU spouse exercising treaty rights on the date of divorce initiation till decree absolute and at the same time non-EU (myself) to exercise treaty rights since decree absolute - I tick all boxes, however,
- my ex is unwilling to give me any proof that she was exercising treaty rights on the date of divorce initiation till decree absolute (ie, letter form university or something like that)

What are my options?
Anyone? Please shed some light. I would be very grateful.
If your EU national spouse was a student as far as i know you need to have Comprehensive insurance duration of the study

To be fully covered by the European right of free movement

if you spouse is a student, you need to provide a school, college or university letter confirming enrolment on the course. You will also need to provide a statement confirming that you have sufficient financial resources during your period of study along with supporting evidence such as a bank statement or evidence of a grant or scholarship; and evidence that you have comprehensive sickness insurance.

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Post by rollingstar » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:52 am

Nimitta wrote:
mcovet wrote:You would need to prove she was exercising treaty rights (same thing as you used to apply for your initial residence card presumably on form eea2) before initiating divorce and throughout the divorce proceedings (which could take a long time if you do not want a divorce yourself).
Why "before initiating divorce and throughout the divorce proceedings"? I thought non-EEA should prove that the EEA spouse was working during the period between Decree Nisi and Decree Absolute. What does "before" means then? How far "before"?
Could some1 plz shed some lights on the question of Nimitta????

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