An appeal happening on the 22nd

[357mag]

I originally thought the purpose of this thread was to encourage people to turn up in person to watch proceedings or else the website may go down accidentally. Re-reading it, it could be construed as an incitement to commit a crime and I hope that the OP is not attempting to incite one.

I, for one, would be very interested in viewing the proceedings from the viewpoint of seeing justice in action and would be sorely disappointed if it is blocked by a DDOS.

Secondly, I doubt that it would register as a protect because the spam_do_not_click_here of the case proceedings is not a vital part of the process of the administration of justice. It is only an inconvenience to people who want to watch it remotely, not to the administration of justice itself.

If you think about it, the courts only started broadcasting proceedings in 2013, but justice and the courts have existed long before then. Committing a crime with no discernible effect or impact is not worth anything.

You know what Simon you are right, I put my hands up "it was me guv, I did it". They can come and take me away and lock me away from my loved one for the rest of my life, oh they are already doing that.. Ok they can put me in front of a firing squad coz quite frankly I feel I'd rather be dead than spend the rest of my life away from her.

[Wanderer]

I like Windows 10 as much as I like Teresa May

I am a fan of both I may dislike some of her policies, but I appreciate Theresa May's tenacity.

The Home Office is the graveyard of politicians. Immigration, prisons, policing are all toxic subjects for all politicians and a Home Secretary has to deal with all of them and Ms May has handled them without any egregious failure for the past six years. I would go so far as to compare her to Angela Merkel, except in the field of immigration and consider her a serious Prime Ministerial contender in the event of a Brexit (assuming that Cameron quits due to a vote for Brexit).

As for Windows 10, I like what I see. It is a compromise, a balance between the extremes of Windows 7 & 8, just as what good law should be. This post has been typed on a Windows 10 system.

I'm a Mac user since System 7.5.

MacOS 9.22 was the last of the old Macs, was snappy, fast, still miss it, would be even more so on the new Mac hardware. Unfortunately was single tasking, despite being multi tasking on the box, even with a huge amount of RAM it would still prompt you to add more memory to a process...

Since 2000 I've been on OSX 10, from Public Beta to current El Capitan, OSX 10.11. It's Unix, like what I do for a living.

I remember iTools, iDisk, MobileMe, iCloud....!

[secret.simon]

@Wanderer, I am currently beta-testing a Mac to see whether it will support all the software that is required for work purposes. Let us not dwell on it as the thread may get locked down due to the discussion being off-topic.

quite frankly I feel I'd rather be dead than spend the rest of my life away from her.

The needs and desires of an individual must be weighed and balanced against those of the community and society they live in.

[Casa]

I originally thought the purpose of this thread was to encourage people to turn up in person to watch proceedings or else the website may go down accidentally. Re-reading it, it could be construed as an incitement to commit a crime and I hope that the OP is not attempting to incite one.

I, for one, would be very interested in viewing the proceedings from the viewpoint of seeing justice in action and would be sorely disappointed if it is blocked by a DDOS.

Secondly, I doubt that it would register as a protect because the spam_do_not_click_here of the case proceedings is not a vital part of the process of the administration of justice. It is only an inconvenience to people who want to watch it remotely, not to the administration of justice itself.

If you think about it, the courts only started broadcasting proceedings in 2013, but justice and the courts have existed long before then. Committing a crime with no discernible effect or impact is not worth anything.

+1 Exactly. In sinc with my earlier concerns.

[357mag]

As the OP I'm not complaining about diversion of the thread, all the time you keep post it gets bumped to the top of the list and others might read my OP. The thread is redundant after 22nd anyway, its a pity I cant see a way to delete it then.

As for computer systems my first foray was an IBM with punchcards for data input back in the early 70's but that's another story.

Just got this laptop with Window 10 pre installed, it keeps crashing locking u and doing all sorts of nasty things, apparently its also more open to be spied on. I just hate it with a vengeance.

[noajthan]

Keep on topic gentlemen please.

[noajthan]

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Shame there is no "like" button like there is on FB coz I would mark this as liked.

See http://www.immigrationboards.com/commen ... 02470.html

You are welcome to add your views &/or vote & 2 Euros-worth.

[357mag]

Thanks for that noajthan but its a bit too techno for my old brain.

Back on topic I wonder if any on here are going to the court to watch the proceedings, I'd like to but incapacity prevents it. The info has been posted in several places on the interweb so I hope at least some can make it.

[secret.simon]

As the OP I'm not complaining about diversion of the thread

Ahh, again you see the interests of an individual (you) wanting to see the thread get higher visibility by being bumped up by newer posts, being balanced by the interests of the forum, in having threads that add value to those who read it and whose primary interest in coming to this site is not IT, but immigration. And the moderators have to balance between stifling discussion and allowing such wide rein to a discussion as to render it useless.

I envy neither the judges nor the moderators in their respective roles.

You are welcome to add your views &/or vote & 2 Euros-worth.

So blatantly Europhilic, you could get banned during the purdah period of the referendum.

[Casa]

At least the judges get paid.

[357mag]

But the Judges have to suffer the consequences of not having a heart unlike the moderators who do the job for free because they have one.

[secret.simon]

What consequences?

I would rather the judges (and the Home Office caseworkers) follow the law than follow their heart.

If you have a beef to pick, it should be with the people who write the law, not those who implement it.

[357mag]

As the OP I'm not complaining about diversion of the thread

Ahh, again you see the interests of an individual (you) wanting to see the thread get higher visibility by being bumped up by newer posts, being balanced by the interests of the forum, in having threads that add value to those who read it and whose primary interest in coming to this site is not IT, but immigration. And the moderators have to balance between stifling discussion and allowing such wide rein to a discussion as to render it useless.

I envy neither the judges nor the moderators in their respective roles.

You are welcome to add your views &/or vote & 2 Euros-worth.

So blatantly Europhilic, you could get banned during the purdah period of the referendum.

Don't presume to know me or my motives, I've said nothing personal about you.

[secret.simon]

Don't presume to know me or my motives, I've said nothing personal about you.

What are you talking about? I am lost and confused.

I did not say anything about you except what you stated yourself in earlier posts.

all the time you keep post it gets bumped to the top of the list and others might read my OP.

As regards the comment about being a Europhile, that was meant as a jocular dig against noajthan and had nothing to do with you.

[CR001]

You are welcome to add your views &/or vote & 2 Euros-worth.

So blatantly Europhilic, you could get banned during the purdah period of the referendum.

Don't presume to know me or my motives, I've said nothing personal about you.

If you read the post correctly, you will see secret.simon's response you must be referring to is directed at noajthan, not you.

[Wanderer]

At least the judges get paid.

The Judges will decide, the likes of you and me abide, spectators of the show. Always staying low.

[357mag]

Ahh, again you see the interests of an individual (you) wanting to see the thread get higher visibility by being bumped up by newer posts, being balanced by the interests of the forum

Seems to indicate that I am orchestrating other peoples post for my own ego.

[Casa]

At least the judges get paid.

The Judges will decide, the likes of you and me abide, spectators of the show. Always staying low.

...But what can I say? Rules must be obeyed

[secret.simon]

Seems to indicate that I am orchestrating other peoples post for my own ego.

Not ego, but self-interest.

[357mag]

All I said was I don't mind a diversion in the thread not that I particularly wanted it. As for bumping threads its a commonly used tool in forums although I was not orchestrating it.

As for my opinion of judges I'll just say my family have been victim to miscarriages of justice on several occasions in the family courts not a matter of whether its the law or not more that the judges always take the side of Social Services. No heart you see.

As for self interest I feel most come on this forum out of self interest, whether to gain from the wisdom of the guru's or just feel a bit of moral support.
I can't give much in the way of knowledge, read my tag line, so I just posted what I thought might be a useful bit of info for others to use or not as they choose.

[ellingham84]

Hi all, not one for posting often but have skim read the vast majority of posts here for a long time and really enjoyed this one!

For what it's worth I think the £18600 is way too low also, but as it is based at the level of 0 benefits it seems the right sort of approach. I wonder what level you could benchmark it at with respect to fairness. £35k seems reasonable but on what basis?!

Whilst I am at it... The whole visa application process just seems ridiculous to me, I went through spouse visa and recently flrm on post 090712 rules and to me the amount of evidence required just seems unnecessary and causes unneeded stress. If you work in the UK why do you need to provide any further information than letter from employer and NI number to prove financial, more credence should be given to the relationship to prove genuineness IMHO. I have seen posts of people whose visas have been rejected due to very minor discrepancies which doesn't seem right.

Finally with respect to judges, I have never been in front of one but you have to understand what they are faced with and see on a daily basis. My Step mothers daughter is an immigration judge and she is a very fair principled individual and some of the stories I have heard (obviously generic details) are shocking, if you sit in front of a large volume of people every week and a fair number are blatantly being dishonest, you are taught to operate in a certain way to ensure the letter of the law is applied. Anyway that was way too long for on here so sorry!

[CR001]

Finally with respect to judges, I have never been in front of one but you have to understand what they are faced with and see on a daily basis. My Step mothers daughter is an immigration judge and she is a very fair principled individual and some of the stories I have heard (obviously generic details) are shocking, if you sit in front of a large volume of people every week and a fair number are blatantly being dishonest, you are taught to operate in a certain way to ensure the letter of the law is applied. Anyway that was way too long for on here so sorry!

Very well said. It boils down to the years of abuse of almost all the visa categories and the end result being that it becomes harder for genuine migrants but unfortunately, to weed out the dishonest etc type, everyone has to suffer.

I am grateful on a daily basis that I completed my entire immigration journey before the tougher rules and even as a pedantic law abiding citizen (foreign & British), I found each process and step stressful. But yes, I also had to jump through many HO hoops for 2 different visas, ILR and BC.

[357mag]

The financial requirement is just plain wrong. How can it be right to say you have to have ex amount of money of you can't be with your family perhaps for the rest of your life. That's the whole point of the appeal isn't it? Whether a family has a right to enjoy a normal family life, or am I missing something.
It affects a large number of families but not a massive amount that would skew the immigration statistics.
My situation is I'm 62 and severely incapacitated but still mobile enough that I don't qualify for PIP so less than 6k a year and no way to improve on that, so UKVI say my partner can't come here and I can't go there. Funny thing about this is if she was here her level of earning would mean my benefits would see a massive cut and save the tax payers money.