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86ti · Post by **86ti** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:55 am

laboudi wrote:But I have been to Cyprus without a visa. all I did was showing them the marriage certificate in the airport. can this be done in other schengen countries?

Cyprus is not Schengen. Your first problem will be to get on the plane.

fortunitos · Post by **fortunitos** » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:07 pm

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giruzz · Post by **giruzz** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:55 pm

Belgium

http://www.diplomatie.be/london//media/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf

Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:15 pm

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Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:17 pm

I think the Belgians need to go back to elementary school and learn to read. Maybe a bit of profficiency will help them understand the Directive better.

dell · Post by **dell** » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:36 am

Hi,

Can you one of you please answer my query.

I am Non EU citizen holding Swedish Residence card, traveling to Iceland in the first week of May without my wife(EU citizen). I am just going to short visit for a meeting. Do I need a Visa for this purpose. Will by residence card do for traveling to Iceland.
Can you please share your experiences or knowledge of this issue.
Thank you

charles4u · Post by **charles4u** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:21 pm

giruzz wrote:Belgium

http://www.diplomatie.be/london//media/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf

Funny as it sounds, they don't require a visa for non-EU national holder a Romanian residence permit as a family member even when traveling alone.

86ti · Post by **86ti** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:52 pm

dell wrote:Hi,

Can you one of you please answer my query.

I am Non EU citizen holding Swedish Residence card, traveling to Iceland in the first week of May without my wife(EU citizen). I am just going to short visit for a meeting. Do I need a Visa for this purpose. Will by residence card do for traveling to Iceland.
Can you please share your experiences or knowledge of this issue.
Thank you

As both Sweden and Iceland are Schengen members you should be able to travel alone. Your residence card should count as a "Schengen residence permit" (I asume that the Swedish government has reported the RC as such to the EU Comission).

dell · Post by **dell** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:21 pm

thank you for your reply

Plum70 · Post by **Plum70** » Mon May 03, 2010 8:57 am

I think we are still some distance from the harmonious realization and implementation of the EU Directive amongst all EU/EEA states. Until then, non-EEA family members remain in the middle of a 'hit and miss' game.

My encounter with an IO at Brussels Midi station yesterday (my hubby was standing right behind me in line):

Me: (I hand IO my passport and say) "Hello"
IO: (Looks at my passport, sighs and begins saying), "You are supposed to fill a landing card..."
Me: (I interrupt IO and say), "No. I am not; and you will see why when you look in my passport.
IO: (leafs through passport pages) "I don't see a Right of Abode anywhere... so let me guess - you have a RC?"
Me: "Yes"
IO: "You see, this is my problem... these RCs don't prevent us from stamping your passport and I would very much like to stamp it like my other colleagues do"
Me: "You are not supposed to do so under EU law and your UK Border force Ops manual clearly stats this"
IO: (disagrees in some mumbled up phrase, then says) "You know that your RC can be cancelled at any time?
Me: (unfazed) "Only with good reason. Yes"
IO: "Yes, with good reason"
Me: Silent
IO: "Your RC is only valid till 2013 anyway, by which time you would have to leave the country"
Me: Silent (fuming internally and thinking to myself: this guy really has no clue!)
IO: (looking a tad irritated, hands me back my passport and says) "Cheerio!"
Me: Took passport and semi-stormed off

Granted, this is my 1st unsavoury encounter with an IO in 6 years; still, what a piece of work!

exoticbeauty · Post by **exoticbeauty** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:50 pm

From: Oksana
Subject: documents for traveling
To: consolato.bucarest@esteri.it
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:01 PM
Hello,
I'm russian citizen married with romanian citizen. We are going to Italy together for a vacation. I've read in EU laws i dont need any viza to go in Italy if i'm married with EU citizen and i have a residence in EU country. I have carte de rezidenta in romania as a family member.
Is it correct?
Also, is there any other documents besides my passport, carte de rezidenta, marriage certificate i must have with me?
Thank you.
Best Regards
M Oxana

answer recived:

From: Info Espulsi <infoespulsi.bucarest@esteri.it>
Subject: touristic visa for Italy
To: oxana
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 6:15 PM

Dear Madam,

In case you own a resident card for family members ("Carte de rezidenta pentru membrii de familie") you need a visa to enter Italy.
Please find attached the list of necessary documents in order to obtain a touristic visa and also a model of invitation (in case you are invited by a person resident in Italy).

Best regards,

Visa Section
Embassy of Italy in Bucarest

bullshit???

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:55 pm

exoticbeauty wrote:bullshit???

No, it's perfectly correct in your case.

You do not have a "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen", you have a "carte de rezidenta".

exoticbeauty · Post by **exoticbeauty** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:04 pm

curious,what is the differente and why i could go to other eu states with it and just my passport,visa free

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:12 pm

exoticbeauty wrote:curious,what is the differente

Yours was issued in accordance with the national legislation of Romania, as the spouse of a Romanian national. A "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" is issued to the family member of an EEA national who is resident in Romania in accordance with EU Directive 2004/38/EC.

exoticbeauty wrote:and why i could go to other eu states with it and just my passport,visa free

Perhaps the other EU states made a mistake?

You should apply to your nearest Italian mission for a Schengen visa. It will be issued free of charge and as soon as possible.

exoticbeauty · Post by **exoticbeauty** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:21 pm

exoticbeauty · Post by **exoticbeauty** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:22 pm

It is issued by the directive,becouse the one that i had before 2007,was way too different and it was under national law,but the "carte de rezidenta" residence card is issued by EU law

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:28 pm

Ok, you originally said you had a "carte de rezidenta" (no indication that it was of a family member of a Union citizen).

The picture you have posted is of a "Carte de rezidenta pentru membrii de familie". Is this Romania's version of the "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen"? Google tells me that "Carte de rezidenta pentru membrii de familie" is translated as "Residence card for family members".

Did your Romanian spouse previously exercise an EU Treaty right in another Member State?

86ti · Post by **86ti** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:29 pm

We've discussed this earlier. The problem appears to be that, some people claimed that here in the past, the Romanians issue identical cards.

exoticbeauty · Post by **exoticbeauty** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:32 pm

why do you need google translation when it is writte on the card in english and french(i guess)...
that "italian"case,is actually not mine in particular,but my friend (russian as me,married to a romanian),we are in the similar situation,i travelled with this card and my passport before,when i sent an email to spanish embassy asking if i could go to Spain without visa,i also attached my card abd i recived an answer,that from 2009 i can travel ALONE if i hold such "card"....

exoticbeauty · Post by **exoticbeauty** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:35 pm

86ti wrote:We've discussed this earlier. The problem appears to be that, some people claimed that here in the past, the Romanians issue identical cards.

no,that is not the SAME problem at all
my new card is PERMANENT,the one one the picture is the card i had before i applied for permanent residence,and i already found the answer "thanks to solvit" ab my questioning in the topic mentioned above...has nothing to do with the subject

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:39 pm

Be that as it may, if Romania's "Carte de rezidenta pentru membrii de familie" is a "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" as described in Â§ 10 of the Directive, then:

Directive 2004/38/EC, Â§ 5(2) wrote:2. Family members who are not nationals of a Member State shall only be required to have an
entry visa in accordance with Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 or, where appropriate, with national
law. For the purposes of this Directive, possession of the valid residence card referred to in
Article 10 shall exempt such family members from the visa requirement.

The provisions of the Directive do not permit travel to another Member State unless travelling in the company of, or to join, the EU national of whom the holder is a family member.

exoticbeauty, please moderate your attitude. We non-Russians are not used to such a brusque tone.

86ti · Post by **86ti** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:43 pm

Ben wrote:Be that as it may, if Romania's "Carte de rezidenta pentru membrii de familie" is a "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" as described in Â§ 10 of the Directive...

Sure but obviously one can't distinguish in this case...

exoticbeauty · Post by **exoticbeauty** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:45 pm

excuse me, if my attitude is way too russian,but today i tried to understand,why italian embassy asked a holder if "residence card for family members of EU" to apply for visa since the non-eu citizen want to visit ITALY with a romanian SPOUSE,they r going together

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:50 pm

86ti wrote:
Ben wrote:Be that as it may, if Romania's "Carte de rezidenta pentru membrii de familie" is a "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" as described in Â§ 10 of the Directive...
Sure but obviously one can't distinguish in this case...

I understand what you're saying, but can entry be refused on the basis that Italy (or other) is unsure whether the card was issued in accordance with the Directive or not? What about the false-positives that a blanket non-acceptance would cause?

This is the problem when Member States incorrectly transpose the Directive, by calling the RC something other than "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" as is specifically required in the Directive.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:52 pm

exoticbeauty wrote:..why italian embassy asked a holder if "residence card for family members of EU"..

Your card is not called a "residence card for family members of EU" though, is it. This is the problem.

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