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Post by 86ti » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:43 am

Richard66 wrote:
Naturally, it is inappropriate to say Éire instead of Ireland when speaking English, just as it is inappropriate to say Deutschland instead of Germany, or España instead of Spain.
Very appropriate comment, yet, if we say White Russia or Peking instead of the "correct" names we risk being stoned by the PC gang and no one will stand up to defend us.
And yet, that's exactly what we say in German (ok it's 'Weißrussland' actually).

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Post by Richard66 » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:22 pm

I will let you into a secret:

In Russian (and perhaps also in other Slavic languages) "Byelyj" means white while Rus' refers either to Russia or to the Rus' (Rurik), the Norse who ruled Russia for a time, so, Belarus' is not all that different from White Russia... And in Italian there is no question that the capital of China is "Pecchino".
Aiming at travelling to the UK with my wife and not with an EEA FP!

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Post by acme4242 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:41 pm

Hi Richard66
I got a comment on my blog as follows
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France doesn’t apply directive 2004/38 to its own citizen
It would be a dream if happening …
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can you help me with this one, to double check it. I didn't study France,
as it was on the initial list written as France (almost 100%)

According to the 2004/38 French compliance study which says
As far as French citizens are concerned, the French legislation is in conformity with the Directive, despite the fact that no explicit transposition measure exists. Freedom of movement of French citizens is, pursuant to the jurisprudence of the Conseil constitutionnel,[4] guaranteed by Articles 2 and 4 of the Déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen de 1789. No French measures link the right of entry and residence for third country nationals to lawful residence in another Member State and no restrictions exist for third country nationals who get married after entering France. Therefore, the French regime is in line with MRAX, Jia and Metock.

[4] See e.g. Décision n° 2005-532 DC , 19 janvier 2006, cons. 16, Journal officiel du 24 janvier 2006, p. 1138, texte n° 2.
does France really impose reverse discrimination against its own ? I think not, but please confirm this. I think it was correct,
But what is missing from making France 100% ?
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Post by Richard66 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:23 am

If you read the visa section on any French Embassy site it will confirm that family members of French citizens are covered, even if not directly. If in practice the French violate this it is not a matter of law, but of the way the law is applied by the sigle préfectures.

As far as I know the only difference between family members of citizens from other EEA states and family members of French citizens is that the latter need to sign an integration pact (learning French and so on) once they are in France.

Who wrote this entry does not go further, which is a pity.
Aiming at travelling to the UK with my wife and not with an EEA FP!

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Post by acme4242 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:30 pm

The Adv General Sharpston opinion in the Zambrano Case C‑34/09 which was delivered on 30 September 2010 might mark the end of the practice of reverse discrimination by some EU states. Of course its only the final Judgment that will mean anything in law, but the opinion of the Advocate General usually points in the direction the Judgment will take.

Wait and see what the final Judgment is, but this does look good.
[url=http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:62009C0034:EN:HTML]opinion Adv General Sharpston in Case C‑34/09 Zambrano[/url] wrote:
150. I therefore suggest that the answer to the second question should be that Article 18 TFEU should be interpreted as prohibiting reverse discrimination caused by the interaction of Article 21 TFEU with national law that entails a violation of a fundamental right protected under EU law, where at least equivalent protection is not available under national law.
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Post by Obie » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:24 pm

I am hoping and praying that this will be the case, but you have to bear in mind that Advocate general Sharpston was facing a lot of opposition from all the memberstate and even the commission on this issue. I respect and admire his bravery.

It was a similar situation in Baumbast, where the argument that Article 18 of the EC treaty does not provide a standalone right for self-sufficient union citizen. Lots of memberstates opposed Advocate General Geelhoed. They believed it should be linked to economic activity. But in the end, the court recognised Mr Baumbast's right of residence under Article 18.


I believe things are about to change , but one has to be cautious on expectation.
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Post by acme4242 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:30 pm

Judgment out today, 8/March/2011
Its a win, but no direct mention of reverse discrimination as the AG mentioned in her opinion.

So is this really the end of reverse discrimination ? or just a part ?
What are the implications ? What difference should we expect to see ?
Can all EU citizens have equal rights ?

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 34:EN:HTML
Zambrano judgment

On those grounds, the Court (Grand Chamber) hereby rules:

Article 20 TFEU is to be interpreted as meaning that it precludes a Member State from refusing a third country national upon whom his minor children, who are European Union citizens, are dependent, a right of residence in the Member State of residence and nationality of those children, and from refusing to grant a work permit to that third country national, in so far as such decisions deprive those children of the genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights attaching to the status of European Union citizen.

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6. Article 20 TFEU (former Article 17 EC) states:

‘1. Citizenship of the Union is hereby established. Every person holding the nationality of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to and not replace national citizenship.

2. Citizens of the Union shall enjoy the rights and be subject to the duties provided for in the Treaties.

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Post by mastermind » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:47 pm

Looks like the court succumbed to national bureaucracy's pressure ([37] suggests that) and issued very narrow ruling explicitly naming only the rights of parents of children who are EU-nationals. (But there IS an explicit end of reverse discrimination for parents at least, note bold text below)
acme4242 wrote:Zambrano judgment

On those grounds, the Court (Grand Chamber) hereby rules:

Article 20 TFEU is to be interpreted as meaning that it precludes a Member State from refusing a third country national upon whom his minor children, who are European Union citizens, are dependent, a right of residence in the Member State of residence AND nationality of those children, and from refusing to grant a work permit to that third country national, in so far as such decisions deprive those children of the genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights attaching to the status of European Union citizen.
On the other hand the Court's argumentation suggests that probably the ruling isn't that narrow:
44 It must be assumed that such a refusal would lead to a situation where those children, citizens of the Union, would have to leave the territory of the Union in order to accompany their parents. Similarly, if a work permit were not granted to such a person, he would risk not having sufficient resources to provide for himself and his family, which would also result in the children, citizens of the Union, having to leave the territory of the Union. In those circumstances, those citizens of the Union would, as a result, be unable to exercise the substance of the rights conferred on them by virtue of their status as citizens of the Union.
Considering that every EU citizen have equal rights, just replace the bold text above with "spouse" for example.
In the part about work permit, where the EU spouse is not financially dependent on their non-EU one, the argument of non-discrimination may probably be used (instead of "risk of not having sufficient resources") if necessary. (isn't it discrimination if a spouse of one EU citizen is allowed to work but the spouse of another EU citizen is not?)

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Post by MSH » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:38 pm

"40 Article 20 TFEU confers the status of citizen of the Union on every person holding the nationality of a Member State (see, inter alia, Case C-224/98 D’Hoop [2002] ECR I-6191, paragraph 27, and Case C‑148/02 Garcia Avello [2003] ECR I‑11613, paragraph 21). Since Mr Ruiz Zambrano’s second and third children possess Belgian nationality, the conditions for the acquisition of which it is for the Member State in question to lay down (see, to that effect, inter alia, Case C‑135/08 Rottmann [2010] ECR I-0000, paragraph 39), they undeniably enjoy that status (see, to that effect, Garcia Avello, paragraph 21, and Zhu and Chen, paragraph 20).

41 As the Court has stated several times, citizenship of the Union is intended to be the fundamental status of nationals of the Member States (see, inter alia, Case C‑184/99 Grzelczyk [2001] ECR I‑6193, paragraph 31; Case C‑413/99 Baumbast and R [2002] ECR I‑7091, paragraph 82; Garcia Avello, paragraph 22; Zhu and Chen, paragraph 25; and Rottmann, paragraph 43).

42 In those circumstances, Article 20 TFEU precludes national measures which have the effect of depriving citizens of the Union of the genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights conferred by virtue of their status as citizens of the Union (see, to that effect, Rottmann, paragraph 42)."

The above quoted paragraphs 40-42 are IMHO the vital core of the judgement.

Especially this part: 'Article 20 TFEU precludes national measures which have the effect of depriving citizens of the Union of the genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights conferred by virtue of their status as citizens of the Union'..

I don't see much wiggle-room for interpretation in there. A citizen of the Union is a citizen of the Union, regardless of his or her age, and the rights conferred upon such a citizen by virtue of said citizenship cannot be infringed upon by any national measure.

The right to family life and the right to equal treatment are both fundamental rights protected by the Zambrano-ruling AS WELL AS the right to reside.

MSH.

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Post by MSH » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:39 pm

Double post, can't delete

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Post by acme4242 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:17 am

http://eudo-citizenship.eu/citizenship- ... situations

Interesting analysis of the fallout from the Zambrano Judgment
The reach of Article 20 TFEU beyond Directive 2004/38/EC
A most notable outcome of the case is the fact that the reach of Article 20 TFEU extends to cases where the so-called ‘Citizens’ Directive’ 2004/38/EC is not applicable. In spite of the fact that primary law generally takes precedence over secondary legislation, this was far from evident, since Article 20 TFEU explicitly subjects the exercise of the rights derived from that article to the conditions and limits defined by the Treaties and secondary legislation. In Zambrano, the Court avoids the restrictions inherent in Directive 2004/38/EC, which applies only to Union citizens who move and reside in a Member States other than that of which they are a national and their family members, by relying on Article 20 TFEU instead. This way it also circumvents the application of the resource requirement in the Directive, which requires non-economically active Union citizens to demonstrate the availability of sufficient resources in order to reside in another member state for a period of more than three months. In this respect the Court departs from Chen, where the requirement of having sufficient resources was considered to be applicable to an infant Union citizen, even though it could be satisfied by relying on the resources of the parents. Thus, it seems to follow from Zambrano that by relying on Article 20 TFEU, Union citizens and their family members are not only freed from the requirement to move, but are equally not subject to any of the conditions and limitations contained in Directive 2004/38/EC. This has the paradoxical outcome that Union citizens who fall under the scope of Directive 2004/38/EC find themselves in a less favourable position than those who cannot rely on the said Directive and therefore fall under the regime of Article 20 TFEU.

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Post by mastermind » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:01 pm

More analysis:
http://eudo-citizenship.eu/citizenship- ... march-2011
The Court of Justice of the European Union and Citizens of the Union: A Revolution Underway? The Zambrano judgment of 8 March 2011
Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:56
by Elspeth Guild, University of Nijmegen

8 March is generally celebrated as International Women’s Day. This year it may be celebrated as a milestone in children’s rights in the EU and as a point of transition for citizens of the Union. The key event was the handing down of the ECJ decision in the case C-34/-09 Zambrano.

The facts of the case are rather unusual and of a kind one would expect to find troubling the Court over the Returns Directive or some other immigration/asylum law directive. Instead, the Court is faced with an issue which is about EU citizenship. The Zambrano couple are Colombian nationals who have been resident in Belgium since 1999. They arrived on short stay visas then applied for asylum. Their asylum applications were rejected but on appeal the Belgian court, while not reversing the refusal, stated that the authorities must not send the couple back to Colombia on account of the civil war there. The couple thus fell into a limbo – no immigration/asylum status in Belgium but no action by the Belgian authorities to expel them. At first, Mr Zambrano was employed, but then his workplace was raided and his employer had to sack him as Mr Zambrano did not have a work permit. He was then refused unemployment benefit because of his irregular status. The couple kept applying for residence documents but their applications were consistently refused. Eventually, an industrial tribunal which was considering yet another refusal of social security benefits to the family refers the matter to the ECJ at the end of 2008.

What makes the case one about citizenship of the Union is that while all this was going on, the couple had two children, born in Belgium, who both acquired Belgian nationality by birth. One might well ask: How does this make the matter one about EU citizenship – is it not a case which falls outside EU law as it is wholly internal to one Member State? This is exactly what the eight Member States which intervened in the case argued. But the ECJ held otherwise.

The operative part of the judgment is surprisingly short – only 10 paragraphs. This may indicate that there was much disagreement among the judges about the legal issues. On the positive side, this means the case is very clear and there is no space for ambiguity. The key and startling findings of the ECJ are as follows:

• The case of the Zambrano family is a matter of EU law as the children are Belgian nationals, and therefore also EU citizens, living in Belgium;
• Directive 2004/38 does not apply to them as it only applies to EU citizens who move and reside in another Member State;
• The rights of the two Zambrano children, who are EU citizens, comes directly from Article 20 TFEU (citizenship of the Union);
• Those rights include:
o The right to live in Belgium (para 40 and 41);
o The right of residence for their third country national parents (both of them it would seem) to live in Belgium with them as this is necessary for the children who are EU citizens to enjoy their rights as citizens of the Union (para 42 and 43);
o The right to a work permit for the third country national parents to support the children (as otherwise they might all have to leave the state on ground of penury) (para 44).


There is no mention of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights or the ECHR. These rights for third country nationals derive directly and exclusively from Article 20 TFEU – citizenship of the European Union.

What does this mean? There are two immediate consequences:

• Any third country national family which includes at least one dependent minor child who is an EU citizen, even if that child is the citizen of the state where the family lives, is entitled to rely on the EU child’s rights under Article 20 TFEU to a residence right in that state. There is no clarity on the form of the residence right.
• The third country national family members of a dependent minor who is an EU citizen, even where that child is a national of the state where the family lives, are entitled to work permits.

Both these rights for third country national family members are based on the principle that the dependent minor with EU citizenship might have to leave the territory of the Union in order to accompany his or her parents, if they were not allowed to reside and work to support the child.

From this logic some corollary issues arise:

• When is a child not a dependent minor child? In the ECJ’s judgment C-480/08 Teixeira interpreting Article 12 Regulation 1612/68, the Court found for the purposes of that provision, according to which a child is defined as dependent and under 21 for the purposes of education rights, that denying the right after the child passed the upper age limit would deprive the right of its force (para 82) and that even adult children may need the presence of their parents to successfully access their education rights. This line of argument could be applied by analogy;
• The same Teixeira judgment found that access to social welfare benefits for the parent was consistent with caring for the (adult) child in education;
• Does the logic also apply to a third country national spouse and other family members? There does not seem to be any obvious reason why the argument should be any different, if the third country national family member were a spouse rather than a child. The ECJ will have a chance to address this issue in the pending McCarthy case.

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Post by mastermind » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:25 am

A new comment on Zambrano case:
http://eudo-citizenship.eu/citizenship- ... ntegration
[quote]A comment on the Ruiz Zambrano judgment: a genuine European integration
Tuesday, 29 March 2011 14:18
by Loïc Azoulai, European University Institute

A genuine European integration
Let me say first where I see the main contribution of this judgment to the development of European citizenship. In the case-law of the Court which gave substance to this notion, EU citizenship consisted essentially in offering the nationals of the member states the opportunity to act on a transnational plane within the Union. Nationals of member states were granted rights in order to circulate freely, to be admitted in other member states and to enjoy the same treatment as nationals of the host country. They were vested with the power to address the authorities of another member state and to claim admission, residence and welfare benefits on the same conditions as the nationals of that state. This empowerment was aimed to ensure the social integration of EU citizens. The status of EU citizen has been mainly construed as a status of integration into the member states of the Union, a status of transnational integration. Now, what emerges from this case is the notion of integration within the territory of the Union taken as a whole. We move from a national or plurinational integration to a genuine European integration. The European territory as such is the natural place of life and integration for European citizens and their families.

‘Illegal residents’
This idea (an ideal?) comes up in relation to a specific situation exemplified by the Zambrano case. This case contains some interesting elements which are worth noting because they touch upon the general issue of migration in Europe today. Mr Ruiz Zambrano is a Colombian national who decided to leave his country of origin with his family and to seek asylum in Belgium. The Belgian authorities refused his application for asylum and subsequent applications to have his situation regularised. Despite this refusal and the absence of any resident permit, he and his wife have been registered as ‘residents’ in a Belgian municipality and he started to work regularly with a full-time employment contract. Since the rejection of his application for residence in March 2006 Mr. and Mrs. Zambrano have held special residence permits valid during the duration of the judicial action he has brought against this rejection. During this stay, Mrs Zambrano gave birth to two children, Diego and Jessica. They acquired Belgian nationality by the fact of being born in Belgium and since the parents did not take specific steps to have them recognised as Colombian nationals. This is the result of the application of the Belgian Nationality Code at the time of the case.

First point to note: their condition is typical of the condition of many migrants in Europe, who are in a transitory position, but a position which is intended to persist; they are migrants who are recognised and partially included in the administrative and economic life of the country but who are not authorised to stay in the territory. Mr and Mrs Zambrano belong to this category of people who have been provocatively labelled as ‘illegal citizens’ (E. Balibar). The second point concerns the children whose identity from a EU law perspective is twofold. First, they are dependent persons, a fragile population that cannot rely on its own resources. Arguably, the issue of the care is an important feature in that judgment. Second, they are Union citizens as Belgian nationals.

‘The territory of the Union’
Confronted with this case, the Court considers that EU citizenship law precludes Belgium from refusing Mr. Ruiz Zambrano a right of residence and a work permit. His minor children, who are EU citizens, should not be deprived of the right to stay within the territory of the European Union. In other words, deportation of European citizens to countries outside the territory of Europe is not permitted. The reference to the ‘territory of the Union’ is a central reference in the judgment. This reference is not only the metaphor which designates the sum of the physical territories of the member states. It is a normative reference which refers to a new common space, a space of distribution of rights and common values. What the Court is doing here is to recognise a status to specific categories of individuals – European citizens and the persons connected to them as dependents or care-takers. This status is attached to them wherever they happen to be, it does not depend on their physical location. It grants them rights to circulate and to occupy the European space. There is a strong normative dimension implicit in the reasoning. To reside in Europe means not only to be physically located in its territory but also to be granted a number of rights and ultimately to be under the protection of certain values of personal welfare and moral security.

Shifts in the legal theory of European citizenship
EU citizenship and mobility
The first and the most obvious shift lies in the disconnection of EU citizenship from free movement. In its first cases dealing with EU citizenship, the Court undertook to release the rights of citizenship from the economic considerations attached to freedom of movement in the realm of the internal market. The Court freed the mobility of individuals from the exercise of an economic activity. But the rights of citizenship were still dependent on mobility. This was reflected in Directive 2004/38 which codifies the jurisprudence of the Court and which states, in its preamble, that ‘Union citizenship is the fundamental status of nationals of the member states when they exercise their right of free movement’. Following the Zambrano judgment, one could say that EU citizenship is released from the mobility condition. This step couldn’t be achieved under the regime set up in the Directive and this is the reason why the Court, in the first part of its short judgment, sets aside the Directive and decides to ground its decision on the basis of Article 20 of the Treaty (concealing the fact that this provision explicitly refers to the conditions defined by the EU legislator in the Directive). On this basis, the Court is able to state that the sole presence of a Union citizen in a member state, even if this member state is his/her country of origin, is liable to trigger ‘European’ protection. The right of residence of the children is sufficient on its own to grant residence to the parents who take care of them. There is not even the need to refer to the fundamental rights of the children, their right to family life. The dispute is entirely settled on the basis of the statutory right of residence of the children.


The status of EU citizen
Another important change concerns the reference to the ‘status’ of citizen of the Union. The Court proclaimed that “Union citizenship is destined to be the fundamental status of nationals of the member statesâ€

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Post by toves » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:11 am

Hi

I know Norway, sweden and Denmark does, there you can choose which route to follow if you are a citizen in any of these countries and have exercised your treaty rights.

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