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Application form question - PR for EEA Citizen and NON-EEA family member

Post by MyNameIsTaken » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:55 am

I am applying for both myself and my husband for permanent residency.

I am EU citizen and my husband has NON-EU family member permit expiring in 5th March 2019.

When applying, do I:
- use one application form for both of us, applying for myself as the main applicant then including husband as a family member (this seems more logical as I am applying for two documents, one for myself and one for him)
- or use application forms with him as a main applicant and me as his sponsor

What do I put in the below section:
“Your personal reference numbers (page 18)

Home office reference numbers. Include any registration certificate or residence permit numbers.”

When my husband applied for the NON-EEA family permit 5 years ago, he got back a letter from the home office which has the “ “our ref” and “case id” and his vignette in the passport has a number.

Do I put “Our ref” and the number from the passport numbers in? Should I make a note of which is which?

If I am the main applicant (my husband being a family member of the main applicant),

do I still need to fill in the details in section 11 (page 58)
“Complete this section if you’re applying for a document certifiying permanent residence or permanent residence card because you are (or were) the spouse, civil partner, or durable partner of the person named in section 2 of this form “your sponsor” “

This is what confuses me, as I am the main applicant and he is a family member, do I still fill in the details where it says “your sponsor’s name and other details?

When it comes to "fingerprints in previous immigration applications" (page 12)
Is there a way we can find out the exact date? My husband had his fingerprints taken some time in Oct/November 2009 but I can't find the exact date. The date of the letter inviting him to do so is October, but his biometric residence permit was issued in November 2009.

My husband can't remember the exact date as it was nearly 10 years ago, of course.

What would be the best way to go about putting in these details?

Thank you in advance

I would really appreciate your help.

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Re: Application form question - PR for EEA Citizen and NON-EEA family member

Post by kamoe » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:49 pm

MyNameIsTaken wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:55 am
I am applying for both myself and my husband for permanent residency.

I am EU citizen and my husband has NON-EU family member permit expiring in 5th March 2019.
is there a particular reason why you are not using the online form? Looks like you have both continuously lived in the UK for more than 5 years, so likely you both qualify for PR... if so, you can apply using the online form, and include him in your application (Strongly encouraged).

If you absolutely want to apply with the paper form (no reason unless your husband does not qualify for PR):
When applying, do I:
- use one application form for both of us, applying for myself as the main applicant then including husband as a family member (this seems more logical as I am applying for two documents, one for myself and one for him)
The option above. You are both applying.
- or use application forms with him as a main applicant and me as his sponsor
If you the indicated above, he would be the only one applying, and you would not get PR yourself.
What do I put in the below section:
“Your personal reference numbers (page 18)

Home office reference numbers. Include any registration certificate or residence permit numbers.”

When my husband applied for the NON-EEA family permit 5 years ago, he got back a letter from the home office which has the “ “our ref” and “case id” and his vignette in the passport has a number.

Do I put “Our ref” and the number from the passport numbers in? Should I make a note of which is which?
If you cannot find any communication with your reference number, just leave it blank. ""Our ref" is just a placeholder text, it doesn't mean anything, so pointless. They can always identify your history by your names, nationality, and date of birth.
If I am the main applicant (my husband being a family member of the main applicant),

do I still need to fill in the details in section 11 (page 58)
“Complete this section if you’re applying for a document certifiying permanent residence or permanent residence card because you are (or were) the spouse, civil partner, or durable partner of the person named in section 2 of this form “your sponsor” “
Take a closer look at the form, it seems that section does not apply to your case, as it implies the marriage has ended. In particular, it seems that on page 3, it indicates you only fill sections 5, 9, 16, 17, 18 and 19. There is no mention of section 11. (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -07-18.pdf).
I’ve lived in the UK for a continuous period of five years as an EEA national qualified person,
the family member or extended family member of a qualified person, or a combination of
these.
Complete sections 5, 9, 16, 17, 18 and 19. (If you are or have been a family member or
extended family member, also complete the relevant section(s) as indicated in question 3.2
below.)
This is what confuses me, as I am the main applicant and he is a family member, do I still fill in the details where it says “your sponsor’s name and other details?
It is a long form that mixes two different audiences. You are not supposed to fill all the sections, only the sections relevant to your case. And identifying relevant sections is difficult, as the audience keeps changing: sometimes "you" is the EU applicant, sometimes is the non-EU family member. This is why it is advisable you just use the online form, as it is not difficult to end up filling irrelevant sections.

Again, if you absolutely want to use the paper form, take a closer look at all the indications of the sections you actually need to fill for your case. Keep in mind that the form is intended to both EU and non-Eu applicants. Whenever it says "your sponsor" and you think it is a relevant section, the you need to put yourself in the shoes of your husband to answer that section.
When it comes to "fingerprints in previous immigration applications" (page 12)
Is there a way we can find out the exact date? My husband had his fingerprints taken some time in Oct/November 2009 but I can't find the exact date. The date of the letter inviting him to do so is October, but his biometric residence permit was issued in November 2009.

My husband can't remember the exact date as it was nearly 10 years ago, of course.

What would be the best way to go about putting in these details?
You can put an approximate date, and clarify this is a guesstimate.
My posts express what I believe are the facts, based on the best of my knowledge, about the topics discussed in this forum. They do not constitute immigration advice.

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Re: Application form question - PR for EEA Citizen and NON-EEA family member

Post by MyNameIsTaken » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:43 pm

Thank you for your response I really appreciate it.

We visited a solicitor who strongly advised to use a paper form (for whatever reason).

The online form you’re talking about, is this for permanent residency or the settled status?

The printed form is really confusing me in terms of in which sections do I need to add which details.

Can you by any chance direct me to the online form.

We’ve been here both for 5 years and I’ve been self employed for the whole period.

I’m just getting anxious as the date his visa is expiring is coming soon.

Thanks again

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Re: Application form question - PR for EEA Citizen and NON-EEA family member

Post by kamoe » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:52 pm

MyNameIsTaken wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:43 pm
The online form you’re talking about, is this for permanent residency or the settled status?
Permanent Residence.
Can you by any chance direct me to the online form.
https://visas-immigration.service.gov.uk/product/eea-pr
Green button at the very end of the page.
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Re: Application form question - PR for EEA Citizen and NON-EEA family member

Post by MyNameIsTaken » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:55 pm

Thank you very much.

I really appreciate this. I got the link and I’ve started the first part of the application.

I hope this will be as straightforward as possible and won’t have any issues with the application process.

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