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Form AN Section 3

Post by migrant2011 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:38 pm

My current employment ends at the end of July 2011 and will be looking for a job. I have to submit my application [NCS appointment on 2nd August]. I have a question regarding section 3.

Section 3.1 - What is the best response to 'What is your occupation?'
Section 3.2 - are you a. an employee; b. a business partner; c. self employed?; d. A Director?
Section 3.3 - Name of the employer or business
Section 3.4 - Address of the employer or business
Section 3.5 - Address of tax office or tax office reference.

I will really appreciate your help in responding to these questions.

Thank you.

serendepity

Post by serendepity » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:31 pm

Hi,
I have a little bit different question than previous ones. My referee put in her job title instead of profession and I asked her to add profession (accountant) to it to make sure it will be accepted. But now it's so long it's outside the field on the form.

Do you think it will be a problem? I searched internet and couldn't find anything about it. In guide to the form and on the form there's nothing about writing outside boxes when filling the form.

I would be happy to get my referees to fill in the form again but I'm having trouble to contact one of them and I'm not sure I will be able to do this before NCS meeting. Unfortunately I don't know any other British Citizen who knows me at least 3 years so I can't ask anyone else to be my referee.

Should I call Home Office and ask them directly? I can't call NCS because in Wandsworth you only get reception for Register Office, you can't talk to anyone over the phone.

Any advice?

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Post by Jambo » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:53 pm

serendepity wrote:Hi,
I have a little bit different question than previous ones. My referee put in her job title instead of profession and I asked her to add profession (accountant) to it to make sure it will be accepted. But now it's so long it's outside the field on the form.

Do you think it will be a problem? I searched internet and couldn't find anything about it. In guide to the form and on the form there's nothing about writing outside boxes when filling the form.

I would be happy to get my referees to fill in the form again but I'm having trouble to contact one of them and I'm not sure I will be able to do this before NCS meeting. Unfortunately I don't know any other British Citizen who knows me at least 3 years so I can't ask anyone else to be my referee.

Should I call Home Office and ask them directly? I can't call NCS because in Wandsworth you only get reception for Register Office, you can't talk to anyone over the phone.

Any advice?
For first, there is no need to write down the actual profession of the referee. He just needs to hold that profession.
You are fine writing outside the boxes for naturalisation applications but be aware that when applying for passport (in future), IPS are much more strict.

serendepity

Post by serendepity » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:05 pm

Thanks for your reply. I heard that someone's visa request was refused because he wrote outside boxes. That's why I'm asking.

I will try to get to referees to sign the form again. I'm just a little stressed about not being able to contact one of them. I have 3 more days to get to him.

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Post by Jambo » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:10 pm

serendepity wrote:Thanks for your reply. I heard that someone's visa request was refused because he wrote outside boxes. That's why I'm asking.

I will try to get to referees to sign the form again. I'm just a little stressed about not being able to contact one of them. I have 3 more days to get to him.
Naturalisation applications are less strict compared to visa applications. During the NCS appointment, the advisor kept on writing outside the boxes all the time.

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Post by gidoc » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:21 pm

Thanks for your reply. I heard that someone's visa request was refused because he wrote outside boxes. That's why I'm asking.

I will try to get to referees to sign the form again. I'm just a little stressed about not being able to contact one of them. I have 3 more days to get to him.
Youre asked to stay inside the boxes as these are scanned, hence any vital information outside the box may get left out.

So if its vital info, then you need to stay in the box and I would have the form filled again, if its trivial info, then leave it as it is.

Vital info= signature, name etc

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Post by Jambo » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:34 am

gidoc wrote:
Thanks for your reply. I heard that someone's visa request was refused because he wrote outside boxes. That's why I'm asking.

I will try to get to referees to sign the form again. I'm just a little stressed about not being able to contact one of them. I have 3 more days to get to him.
Youre asked to stay inside the boxes as these are scanned, hence any vital information outside the box may get left out.

So if its vital info, then you need to stay in the box and I would have the form filled again, if its trivial info, then leave it as it is.

Vital info= signature, name etc
But the form is scanned as a whole, not just the boxes (at least this was the case 2 years ago). I doubt the HO modify their scanning software every time they update the form. It is just easier to scan the full page.

For passport applications this is different as the scanned signature gets printed on the passport (and that's why you are asked on the passport application to stay inside the box).

serendepity

Post by serendepity » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:00 am

gidoc wrote:
Youre asked to stay inside the boxes as these are scanned, hence any vital information outside the box may get left out.

So if its vital info, then you need to stay in the box and I would have the form filled again, if its trivial info, then leave it as it is.

Vital info= signature, name etc
Where exactly it's stated you have to stay inside the boxes as it's scanned. It's not in the form and it's not in the guide. I did some search on the internet and couldn't find such statement. That's why I asked here.

I found such information regarding different forms: passport, driving licence etc.

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Post by calimero » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:03 pm

I hope someone can shed some light on this ?

In section 1.1 its asking for "previous immigration and natiaonality directorate or border and immigration agency or uk border agency reference numbers"

Any ideas where i can find these numbers from ?

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Post by Jambo » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:22 am

calimero wrote:I hope someone can shed some light on this ?

In section 1.1 its asking for "previous immigration and natiaonality directorate or border and immigration agency or uk border agency reference numbers"

Any ideas where i can find these numbers from ?
If you don't have it from previous letters from the HO, just leave blank.

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Post by calimero » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:25 pm

Jambo wrote:
calimero wrote:I hope someone can shed some light on this ?

In section 1.1 its asking for "previous immigration and natiaonality directorate or border and immigration agency or uk border agency reference numbers"

Any ideas where i can find these numbers from ?
If you don't have it from previous letters from the HO, just leave blank.
Thank you

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Post by xyz123 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:22 am

Section 5.2 (referees) asks how do the refrees know the applicant. Any pointers as to how much details are required in this field? Is writing a "colleague" enough or a more detail statement such as "i have known XX as a colleague working withing the same company)

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Post by x-ray » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:04 am

I think a brief sentence will do.

Good luck.

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Advice in filling out AN form

Post by Alyona » Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:32 pm

I have need of advice regarding the AN form as Home office are not responding to my emails. I am applying as the spouse of a British citizen.

1/ Do I need to re-list the date of my marriage to my husband in box 1.43 even though I have given it in box 1.36?

2/ In section 2 part 2.2 Do I need to list all the countries that I had to travel through by coach for a holiday that visited a destination country? eg France, Switzerland to reach Italy. If so how to list as there isn't enough space in the box for all countries passed through to reach destination. (The trip involved overnight stays in France, but the date of departure and return to the UK will be the same, so seems like it should only be in one entry

3/ Section 3 part 3.1 I do voluntary work do I list this as an occupation, or should I put house wife? If I do list voluntary work as occupation do I list the name of my employer, Address of employer and what to put in box 3.5 when it is unpaid voluntary work?

Thanks in advance for your help

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Documents Required

Post by sur » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:21 pm

Hi Guys,
Can some one please guide on what all documents are to be submitted when applying for British Citizenship. And also if any document in particular is needed if discretion for the last 1yr ILR period is required (been away for 200 days due to Business commitments, but fulfilled previous 5 yr stay).

Thank You,

Kind Regards,
Sur

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Re: Documents Required

Post by Jambo » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:53 pm

sur wrote:Hi Guys,
Can some one please guide on what all documents are to be submitted when applying for British Citizenship. And also if any document in particular is needed if discretion for the last 1yr ILR period is required (been away for 200 days due to Business commitments, but fulfilled previous 5 yr stay).

Thank You,

Kind Regards,
Sur
The last page of the application form (from AN) clearly lists what is required. If you do not meet the requirements, you need to tick Q 6.6 in the form and provide information in Q 6.7.

Saying that, been absent for 200 days in the last year might lead to a refusal (see section 5 in discretion guidelines for residence requirements). I would consider postponing the application.

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2.1 Date of Entry

Post by spivakanastasiya » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:27 am

Hello,

Regarding 2.1 where they want to see the arrival date with intention to settle in UK (as I understood from guidance). Could you please help me to figure out the date.
1) Student Visa Dec 2004 to Apr 2008
2) Got a dependent visa on HSMP husband in April 2008, received in UK without leaving country.
3) Got an ILR visa in Feb 2011

The question is which date should I insert into 2.1. Can I apply after 1 year
of ILR (Feb 20012)?

Thanks

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Re: 2.1 Date of Entry

Post by jms_uk » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:06 pm

spivakanastasiya wrote:Hello,
Regarding 2.1 where they want to see the arrival date with intention to settle in UK (as I understood from guidance). Could you please help me to figure out the date.
I was also wondering about this, as it seems a bit different from ILR dates.

I came to UK on 01/01/01 on a tourist visa [and that was the date I used for my ILR application.
Then I went back to my home country and got a student visa in June 2001.

But then when they mention 'intention to settle in UK' could that be the ILR application or approval date; as none of my previous visas/permits are really showing intention to settle.

Thanks.

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Re: 2.1 Date of Entry

Post by Jambo » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:49 am

spivakanastasiya wrote:Hello,

Regarding 2.1 where they want to see the arrival date with intention to settle in UK (as I understood from guidance). Could you please help me to figure out the date.
1) Student Visa Dec 2004 to Apr 2008
2) Got a dependent visa on HSMP husband in April 2008, received in UK without leaving country.
3) Got an ILR visa in Feb 2011

The question is which date should I insert into 2.1. Can I apply after 1 year
of ILR (Feb 20012)?

Thanks
Dec 2004.
You can apply if you meet the requirements.

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Date of Entry

Post by ipvaid » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:19 pm

Hello Everyone,

I have same query as others had i.e. Date of entry and miscellaneous

1. I came to UK on student visa in sep'2003 after which I got 1 yr right to work but went back to my home country on 19th Nov'05 which was last day of my right to work.
I received HSMP approval in June 2006 (applied from Home country) and came back to UK on 16th August 2006 with a view to settle as HSMP was settlement visa.
So should I enter Aug2006 as Date of Entry as they mention with a view to settle or shall I use Sep'2003 as there is 10 months gap between my leaving in 2005 and re-entering in 2006 as I had no visa for UK ?

2. My wife also entered in Sep'2003 on student visa but went back to her country after completing her course in Sep'2004, she did came on visitor visa in 2005 for 2 weeks on holiday but then came back on student visa in Sep'2006. We got married in UK only on Aug'2007 after which she went back to her country to change status as dependent. As per rules, it seems they are only asking for 5 yr stay(aug2006-Aug2011) with last 12 months to be immigration free which we have (ILR granted on Aug'11), so is she eligible ?

3. What date of entry should I use on wife's form, I am assuming August 2006. Can someone confirm

Thanks for your help in advance.

Regards,
IV

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Post by Ashyboo » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:46 pm

Hi there

I already posted yesterday under a separate post with regards to my AN application but received a response to one portion of my question. The question surrounds references. As I don't really know a British professional who has known me for more than 3 years to give me a reference, will a reference from a British professional who has known me for at least 2.5 years suffice? Or is that just wishful thinking on my part and it has to be 3 or more years? The other reference is not a problem. I can't get one from my GP cause my health has never failed me, apart from the occasional cold, don't go to church, don't have an accountant cause I think I manage my money rather well and the list goes on. The only professional who appears on the list that I can get a reference from is a Director but he's since retired and I'm told his reference won't count.

I am aware than one from another nationality will suffice. However, will the HO allow me to submit a copy of the reference page, which was signed and scanned and emailed through and then printed off?

I would ideally like to submit my application by the end of the week but this is the only portion of the form that is holding things up for me. I have everything else already in place ready to be sent off.

Many thanks in advance for any responses received
Astrid

P.S Why is it that things never go smoothly for people who want to do things by the book? :?

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Post by Ashyboo » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:32 am

Ashyboo wrote:Hi there

I already posted yesterday under a separate post with regards to my AN application but received a response to one portion of my question. The question surrounds references. As I don't really know a British professional who has known me for more than 3 years to give me a reference, will a reference from a British professional who has known me for at least 2.5 years suffice? Or is that just wishful thinking on my part and it has to be 3 or more years? The other reference is not a problem. I can't get one from my GP cause my health has never failed me, apart from the occasional cold, don't go to church, don't have an accountant cause I think I manage my money rather well and the list goes on. The only professional who appears on the list that I can get a reference from is a Director but he's since retired and I'm told his reference won't count.

I am aware than one from another nationality will suffice. However, will the HO allow me to submit a copy of the reference page, which was signed and scanned and emailed through and then printed off?

I would ideally like to submit my application by the end of the week but this is the only portion of the form that is holding things up for me. I have everything else already in place ready to be sent off.

Many thanks in advance for any responses received
Astrid

P.S Why is it that things never go smoothly for people who want to do things by the book? :?
bump, any feedback would be most welcome :) Thanks, Astrid

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Re: 2.1 Date of Entry

Post by jms_uk » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:55 am

bump! :)
jms_uk wrote:
spivakanastasiya wrote:Hello,
Regarding 2.1 where they want to see the arrival date with intention to settle in UK (as I understood from guidance). Could you please help me to figure out the date.
I was also wondering about this, as it seems a bit different from ILR dates.

I came to UK on 01/01/01 on a tourist visa [and that was the date I used for my ILR application.
Then I went back to my home country and got a student visa in June 2001.

But then when they mention 'intention to settle in UK' could that be the ILR application or approval date; as none of my previous visas/permits are really showing intention to settle.

Thanks.

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When to submit AN form

Post by sanjay397 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:55 am

Dear All,

Me and my wife received ILR on 9th AUG 2011. So my question is when can we submit our application for British citizenship. Can we submit it on 10th July 2012 or we have to wait till 9th August 12 to send the application form.

Thanks in advance

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Re: When to submit AN form

Post by strajeev » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:41 pm

[quote="sanjay397"]Dear All,

Me and my wife received ILR on 9th AUG 2011. So my question is when can we submit our application for British citizenship. Can we submit it on 10th July 2012 or we have to wait till 9th August 12 to send the application form.

Thanks in advance[/quote]

You gotta complete 1 year before apply. so apply after August. Also check for other requirements.

some below:
been resident in the UK for at least five years (this is known as the residential qualifying period); and
been present in the UK five years before the date of your application; and
not spent more than 450 days outside the UK during the five-year period; and
not spent more than 90 days outside the UK in the last 12 months of the five-year period; and
not been in breach of the Immigration Rules at any stage during the five-year period.

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