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BRP return after naturlaisation.

Post by Linac Dude » Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:05 am

Hi everyone,

I received my ILR in April 2022. My daughter was born in September 2022 and I was able to apply for a British Passport for her easily. In August 2023 I became a British citizen myself and as per advice on this forum I was not keen to return my ILR BRP as it is the only evidence of my daughter's right to BC. Therefore, I sent a letter to UKVI explaining my reasons for not returning my BRP--I actually used the template someone has kindly posted here.

Rather surprisingly, I received a response from the UKVI which reads like this:




Central Correspondence Team
Central Operations
Department 16
The Capital Building
New Hall Place
Liverpool
L3 9PP



Dear Mr *****


Thank you for your letter of 10 August about wishing to retain your Biometric Residence Permit (BRP) so that you have proof of your status prior to the birth of your child. Please accept our apologies for the delay in replying.

We would suggest that you take a copy of BRP card so that it may be included with your child's British passport application. HM Passport Office have access to our records and should be able to see the date that you acquired ILR from our systems.

In the meantime, if you have not already done so, you must return your BRP to the Home Office at:

Naturalisation BRP Returns
PO Box 195
Bristol
BS20 1BT

Please cut your card in half and return your cancelled permit in a windowless plain envelope with a covering note which clearly explains the reason for return.
If you fail to return your biometric residence permit, you may be issued with a civil penalty of up to £1,000.


As a British citizen you are required to obtain a British passport or a certificate of entitlement to the right of abode if travelling outside the UK. You can find guidance about applying for a British passport or a certificate of entitlement on www.gov.uk at:

1. To apply for a passport: - www.gov.uk/apply-renew-passport
2. To apply for a certificate of entitlement: -

www.gov.uk/government/publications/appl ... e-form-roa

Should you require further information or guidance, you may wish to contact the UK Visas and Immigration at:

www.gov.uk/contact-ukvi-inside-outside-uk
Yours sincerely




My impression about the UKVI is that it is a very inefficient department with a bunch of people who are mostly working from home, so I was genuinely surprised that any one has actually looked at my letter, let alone reply to it.

I am not sure what to do now. I really do not want to send my BRP to them as I am quite worried that something like the Windrush scandal could happen again and if they lose my records, then my daughter could really struggle to prove her right to BC--possibly decades into the future when I am long gone. Should I send a reply to them to that effect or should I just leave it? Many thanks.

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Re: BRP return after naturlaisation.

Post by alterhase58 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 am

I never had a BRP so just a couple of thoughts based on what I've read here.

- If you are concerned/nervous about the fine threat for not returning the BRP you might consider having a certified copy made of the BRP and then returning it. Can't remember seeing any report here of someone actually being fined. Or hold on to it safely and if reminded to return it then return with apologies.

- All BRPs have an expiry date, the latest would be the end of 2024 following the implementation of digital immigration status. So once it's expired it wouldn't be of any use (for example couldn't be used to board a flight to the UK, as now). We all have credit cards which are valuable but when a card is re-issued we just cut up the old one and bin it.

In the end of it it's down to you. The letter mentions submitting a copy of it to HMPO for a passport application, however HMPO require original documents!
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Re: BRP return after naturlaisation.

Post by meself2 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:49 am

alterhase58 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:35 am
Can't remember seeing any report here of someone actually being fined.
There was a mention of it ( post2113293.html#p2113293 ), but, unfortunately, the forum member decided not to disclose the circumstances further.
Not a qualified immigration adviser. Use links and references given to gain confirmation and/or extra information.

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Re: BRP return after naturlaisation.

Post by alterhase58 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:27 am

Thanks for the pointer - as you said that post wasn't substantiated, it seemed to be the first report since I'm on the board.
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Re: BRP return after naturlaisation.

Post by Linac Dude » Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:33 pm

Many thanks for sharing your insights. I personally work for the NHS and the idea that I can trust the establishment to keep my records for over 20 years is a pipe dream. I did think about writing back to the UKVI to outline my case further or even involve my MP but I suspect that might draw the focus onto myself. Right now I'm just one of the almost 200,000 people who acquire BC annually and there is no way anyone is keeping tab of who has returned their BRP and who hasn't. I have a feeling the threat to fine people is more of a deterrent and it's got more to do with people who still use their BRP for official/formal dealings with the government instead of their passports/ROA for whatever reasons.

I'll keep you updated if I hear anything or if I receive a fine.

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Re: BRP return after naturlaisation.

Post by Ticktack » Mon Sep 25, 2023 9:32 am

Linac Dude wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:33 pm
Many thanks for sharing your insights. I personally work for the NHS and the idea that I can trust the establishment to keep my records for over 20 years is a pipe dream. I did think about writing back to the UKVI to outline my case further or even involve my MP but I suspect that might draw the focus onto myself. Right now I'm just one of the almost 200,000 people Exactly the point. You drew attention to yourself when you sent out that email. The HO was obligated to respond to you. They probably don't have the man power to monitor what was sent back. I'm sure a few get lost in transit as well. The most important fact is not to try to use it to enter the UK. who acquire BC annually and there is no way anyone is keeping tab of who has returned their BRP and who hasn't. I have a feeling the threat to fine people is more of a deterrent and it's got more to do with people who still use their BRP for official/formal dealings with the government instead of their passports/ROA for whatever reasons.

I'll keep you updated if I hear anything or if I receive a fine.
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