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General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by Cacatua » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:40 pm

I don't really understand why you would need CSI with Settled Status and not by going via the permanent residence document option. The revised guidance doesn't discriminate between both options.

Do you need CSI for the year prior submitting the application for naturalisation too?

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by dapto10 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:27 am

Cacatua wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:40 pm
Do you need CSI for the year prior submitting the application for naturalisation too?
No, because having ILR / Settled under the EU Scheme or a DCPR means you are free from immigration control.

You have to be able to show proof of CSI for your qualifying period though (if you have gaps in employment and you have lost your status of a Qualified Person under EU law) or you have been self-sufficient or studying.

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Post by zcranso » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:07 am

zcranso wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 9:09 pm
I made a small experiment to check whether there has been any change. I submitted my own application in March so I can notice any differences. I inserted some random details which are still valid until I got to the document checklist part of the application. There I was told that I would need to provide:

* 'Evidence that you have been in the UK lawfully for your 3 or 5 year qualifying residence period. This should be evidence that you were here as a worker, student, self-employed, self-sufficient, retired or incapacitated person.'

* 'If you spent some of that time in the UK as a student or as a self-sufficient person, and had comprehensive sickness insurance (CSI), a copy of your sickness insurance policy'

I can confirm that none of these requirements appeared in my actual application in March. It would therefore appear that this is a new requirement as reflected in the guidance posted by uklondonn.

For what it's worth I don't think that this makes citizenship using EU Settlement impossible. The guidance seems to say that CSI would strengthen the application but is not essential and caseworkers should exercise discretion.

I also want to believe that this does not affect applications already submitted. The fact that we never agreed in our applications that we could provide these documents should hopefully prevent them from asking for them.

I hope this helps everyone.
Just an update. Submitted my application on March 5th 2020 (i.e. before new guidelines) and had biometrics appointment on June 1st, first available date after postponement of original April appointment. Happy to say that on June 5th I received an email confirming I had my application approved.

Needless to say that at no point was I asked to provide CSI, not had I voluntarily provided any information on it in my application.

While this may not help those still thinking about applying, it may reassure those of you that have already applied.

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by askmeplz82 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:18 am

Cost Manager wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:13 am
askmeplz82 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:48 pm

Applicants who have settled status under the EU Settlement Scheme are not covered by the transitional arrangements as their settlement status is based on the 5y qualifying period immediately prior to the EU Settlement Scheme application date. Unlike EEA/PR applications, EU Settlement Scheme applicants cannot choose their qualifying period.
They can . I choose 2010 - 2015 and i got settled status
I remember last year we received our settles status at the same time with similar conditions. Are you applying BC in June? Do you think CSI requirement for non Eu members will apply? We are not tied to our partners as sponsor? I would think they will look our immigration history rather than sponsor?
I am worried. in the application form it's still asking for applicant employment not EU sponsor. is it seperate document you upload ? i don't have anything from my ex so i don't know what to do
UK Student Visa : 04/2004 - 09/2009
EEA Residence Stamp: 12/2009 - 03/2010
EEA Residence Card : 07/2010 - 7/2015
Eu Settlement Scheme : 01/05/ 2019
Biometrics: 01/05/2019
COA: 03/05/2019
EU Settled Status: Confirmed on 16th July 2019

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by askmeplz82 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:31 am

I got Settled status in July 2019 so should i wait 5 years for citizenship ? I can not prove my EU sponsor was working last 5 years.
UK Student Visa : 04/2004 - 09/2009
EEA Residence Stamp: 12/2009 - 03/2010
EEA Residence Card : 07/2010 - 7/2015
Eu Settlement Scheme : 01/05/ 2019
Biometrics: 01/05/2019
COA: 03/05/2019
EU Settled Status: Confirmed on 16th July 2019

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by Cost Manager » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:56 am

I am in the same situation. I starter to fill online application form. I have chosen the divorced box and havent got any questions about my ex wife sponsor.

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by alterhase58 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:08 am

askmeplz82 wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:18 am
I am worried. in the application form it's still asking for applicant employment not EU sponsor. is it seperate document you upload ? i don't have anything from my ex so i don't know what to do
The naturalisation application is personal to you so you will have to provide details relating to yourself only.
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Post by Xmz12x » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:44 am

Hello everyone. I just wanted to share with you that today I have received an email saying my naturalisation application was successful. I've applied on the 3rd February 2020. I wanted to let you know that I was a full time student throughout the last 6 years. I had absolutely no idea about the CSI so I never had one and I was getting quite worried, but I wanted to reassure you that if you have applied before the new guidelines, I believe you shouldn't have any problems regarding to this. I wish you all good luck! :)

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Post by Bebu2019 » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:20 pm

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to reassure some of you as well. My application has been successful despite me applying with Settled Status and not providing any information whatsoever about CSI (not even sure I had that the whole time). I have been a student since 2013 and only worked part-time here and there... It is true that I have been married for 4 years and my husband is a naturalised citizen. But he was only naturalised last September so I'm not sure it had any bearing on the CSI requirement.

Don't despair!

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by U Aziz » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:17 pm

Can you please share the details about the timeline of your application

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Post by Naphtha » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:55 am

I was about to apply for BC when found about the requirement of proof of CSI :roll:

I read the new guidance but found it very confusing. I got a PR document las year. In your opinion will I require to show proof of CSI if I go via the PR route?

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by Lopand » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:21 pm

Naphtha wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:55 am
I was about to apply for BC when found about the requirement of proof of CSI :roll:

I read the new guidance but found it very confusing. I got a PR document las year. In your opinion will I require to show proof of CSI if I go via the PR route?
To my understanding, the CSI is only required for the Settled Status route. You're fine.

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by U Aziz » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:01 pm

Hi
Just wondering if anyone has been asked for CSI?
I haven’t heard anything yet from home Office after submitting my application on 24/02 and Biometrics on 18/03 without CSI.
Thanks

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by Frou01 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:48 pm

U Aziz wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:01 pm
Hi
Just wondering if anyone has been asked for CSI?
I haven’t heard anything yet from home Office after submitting my application on 24/02 and Biometrics on 18/03 without CSI.
Thanks
Yes, they did.
Some people posted the letters they received from HO when they request additional documents to prove certain years where the applicant didn’t provide enough evidence.
It’s a generic letter mentioning csi to provide for all students and self sufficient applicants.
However I haven’t seen anyone yet receiving a particular request on csi.
Also I haven’t seen anyone posting their application had any problems when not having csi or even being refused.

So if that’s the case I really hope those you have would share their experiences.

Also it appears very random.
Some in the last weeks without csi (where needed) weren’t asked and only should provide more evidence of residence. Others got that generic letter listing csi.

We have also seen applicants being approved recently without csi.

That’s not to explain with the fact applying before the new guidance been published on 14th May, as HO claims it always has been a requirement.

However at this stage the whole issue is still very confusing and if someone has a pending application can only rely on luck as it seems when not having csi in the past.

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Post by U Aziz » Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:22 pm

Many thanks for you reply!
Any idea what will be the alternative if you cannot provide CSI? I mean you have to spend another 5 years before getting approved or that will be the end of getting a citizenship.
Thanks

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by askmeplz82 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:36 am

U Aziz wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:22 pm
Many thanks for you reply!
Any idea what will be the alternative if you cannot provide CSI? I mean you have to spend another 5 years before getting approved or that will be the end of getting a citizenship.
Thanks
It should also be possible to rely on residence since being granted pre-settled or settled status without supporting evidence. The policy says that “once granted pre-settled status, [citizenship applicants] will not need to demonstrate that they were exercising a treaty right”. Compliance with the EEA Regulations is relevant to “residence prior to the grant of pre-settled status, or settled status”.
UK Student Visa : 04/2004 - 09/2009
EEA Residence Stamp: 12/2009 - 03/2010
EEA Residence Card : 07/2010 - 7/2015
Eu Settlement Scheme : 01/05/ 2019
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COA: 03/05/2019
EU Settled Status: Confirmed on 16th July 2019

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Post by U Aziz » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:11 pm

askmeplz82 wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:36 am
U Aziz wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:22 pm
Many thanks for you reply!
Any idea what will be the alternative if you cannot provide CSI? I mean you have to spend another 5 years before getting approved or that will be the end of getting a citizenship.
Thanks
It should also be possible to rely on residence since being granted pre-settled or settled status without supporting evidence. The policy says that “once granted pre-settled status, [citizenship applicants] will not need to demonstrate that they were exercising a treaty right”. Compliance with the EEA Regulations is relevant to “residence prior to the grant of pre-settled status, or settled status”.

So how long one should wait after getting settled status? Plz advise

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by cdyz5 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:18 pm

Hi All I am applying for citizenship. I am holder of settled status Non-EU family member but i am confused to tick this option in application.

"If you spent some of that time in the UK as a student or as a self-sufficient person, and had comprehensive sickness insurance (CSI), a copy of your sickness insurance policy"

since last 5 years i am in job no gaps. apart from change of job once without breaking the employment gap.wife does not work she is house wife. i had CSI in year 2017 to 2018. kindly please help how to tackle this. do not want to wast £1,300 if its going to refuse.

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Post by alterhase58 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:22 pm

cdyz5 wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:18 pm
Hi All I am applying for citizenship. I am holder of settled status Non-EU family member but i am confused to tick this option in application.

"If you spent some of that time in the UK as a student or as a self-sufficient person, and had comprehensive sickness insurance (CSI), a copy of your sickness insurance policy"

since last 5 years i am in job no gaps. apart from change of job once without breaking the employment gap.wife does not work she is house wife. i had CSI in year 2017 to 2018. kindly please help how to tackle this. do not want to wast £1,300 if its going to refuse.
It seem CSI doesn't apply to you as you were not studying or not being self-sufficient.
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Post by cdyz5 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:26 pm

Hi alterhase58,
Thanks for the reply. appreciated for getting back quick. so in my case i just check the box and that it and provide the wage slips of last 5 years. as i do not have p60/p45 only nhs wage slips. I can ask nhs to give me a letter of confirmation that i was employee there?

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