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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by Frou01 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:34 pm

And they asked for nothing. I was prepared they would.
But thanks God just the good news. So grateful!

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Post by abc10 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:43 pm

Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:34 pm
And they asked for nothing. I was prepared they would.
But thanks God just the good news. So grateful!
Congrats! this is great news and I bet you are relieved...
I was about to start my application but I have a 6 month student gap in the middle my last 5 years which makes worry. One day I feel I should submit it, then I read some forums and realise it will be a waste of money.
Since 2013 I have been employed by a UK university full-time except for these 6 months....and of course, I did not have CSI (didn't even heard of this until last April) AND since the UK had sent a EIHC card to me, without even asking for it... I didn't think it would be important to renew my Spanish one... (duh!).
I wondered what paperwork would convince someone to apply common sense for these 6 months where I clearly didnt have CSI... but Frou01, your message kind of encourages me to gather as close to 200 documents as I can (OMG! could you please summarise what were they?)
Also, I downloaded my E104 (a very strange looking document to be honest) but it is not in English, did you have to translate yours or was it already in English?

Thanks and congrats again! I hope more people share their experiences here without CSI and submitting post May guidelines...

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by AnotherUUID » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:56 pm

BGV wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:15 pm
Hi guys,

Please, correct me, if I am wrong in the following scenario:

• An EU citizen is applying for BC in 12 months after obtaining Settled Status.
• HO will check 4 years (before getting Settled Status ) + 1 year after.
• In some circumstances the candidate must have CSI, but only for the first 4 years.
• The 5th year the applicant is free of immigration control as per possessing Settled Status. Therefore, in
any case, he doesn’t need to have CSI for this year.
You're correct on all counts.

HO do, however, check the full 10y prior to the application date when they consider the Good Character Requirement. According to the official caseworker guidance, not having had CSI (when required) may have an impact on the GCR which means CSI may be relevant for more than the 4y preceding settled status.

At this point, however, it's unclear how badly it impacts the GCR and the guidance does mention that when it comes to CSI discretion can be exercised. So far it seems that it either doesn't have an impact or HO commonly exercise discretion in favour of the applicant provided there aren't any more significant breaches.

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Post by Frou01 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:42 pm

abc10 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:43 pm
Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:34 pm
And they asked for nothing. I was prepared they would.
But thanks God just the good news. So grateful!
Congrats! this is great news and I bet you are relieved...
I was about to start my application but I have a 6 month student gap in the middle my last 5 years which makes worry. One day I feel I should submit it, then I read some forums and realise it will be a waste of money.
Since 2013 I have been employed by a UK university full-time except for these 6 months....and of course, I did not have CSI (didn't even heard of this until last April) AND since the UK had sent a EIHC card to me, without even asking for it... I didn't think it would be important to renew my Spanish one... (duh!).
I wondered what paperwork would convince someone to apply common sense for these 6 months where I clearly didnt have CSI... but Frou01, your message kind of encourages me to gather as close to 200 documents as I can (OMG! could you please summarise what were they?)
Also, I downloaded my E104 (a very strange looking document to be honest) but it is not in English, did you have to translate yours or was it already in English?

Thanks and congrats again! I hope more people share their experiences here without CSI and submitting post May guidelines...
Thank you!

I have created a file for lawful residence including everything work related, however that were only 2 years I had: this has been p45s, HMRC tax return, payslips, employer letters.

For residence I had the most I made files for each year 2015-2020 including: tenancy agreements, proof of monthly rent payment, council tax, invoices, all GP, hospital, dentist, option appointments I had in the last 5 years, bank statements as far as I remember.
I also had character references, landlord references.
I give what I could.

For the case they would have asked me for more I already had prepared a cover letter stating I have no more official documents and had a file created with GP letter, a reference from a charity I have worked for and list of appointments of the vet of my pets I attended.

I have been honest declaring my lack of CSI and that I didn’t mean to break a law and asked for discretion.

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by dogcat » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:54 pm

wow, that's great news , really happy for you 8)

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Post by Frou01 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:08 pm

dogcat wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:54 pm
wow, that's great news , really happy for you 8)
Thank you! :D

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Post by beaujam90 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:21 am

Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Fantastic news!

I have been approved for British citizenship today.
I applied with the new CSI wording. Missing 3 years of exercising treaty rights, provided sufficient evidence.
Congratulations ! I told you that it will be accepted.

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Post by londuk1 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:53 am

AnotherUUID wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:56 pm
BGV wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:15 pm
Hi guys,

Please, correct me, if I am wrong in the following scenario:

• An EU citizen is applying for BC in 12 months after obtaining Settled Status.
• HO will check 4 years (before getting Settled Status ) + 1 year after.
• In some circumstances the candidate must have CSI, but only for the first 4 years.
• The 5th year the applicant is free of immigration control as per possessing Settled Status. Therefore, in
any case, he doesn’t need to have CSI for this year.
You're correct on all counts.

HO do, however, check the full 10y prior to the application date when they consider the Good Character Requirement. According to the official caseworker guidance, not having had CSI (when required) may have an impact on the GCR which means CSI may be relevant for more than the 4y preceding settled status.

At this point, however, it's unclear how badly it impacts the GCR and the guidance does mention that when it comes to CSI discretion can be exercised. So far it seems that it either doesn't have an impact or HO commonly exercise discretion in favour of the applicant provided there aren't any more significant breaches.
I think this is incorrect. I was in the uk as a student in 2013-2014 and didn't have CSI (didn't know about this at that time) however my application was approved based on the 5 years of employment. I don't think they look further in the past, just the 5 qualifying years.

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Post by mrmo93 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:38 am

So any answer to my question if you need CSI if you worked part time for most of the student period?

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Post by Frou01 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:34 pm

beaujam90 wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:21 am
Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Fantastic news!

I have been approved for British citizenship today.
I applied with the new CSI wording. Missing 3 years of exercising treaty rights, provided sufficient evidence.
Congratulations ! I told you that it will be accepted.
Thank you so much! :D

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Post by alterhase58 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:22 pm

Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Fantastic news!

I have been approved for British citizenship today.
I applied with the new CSI wording. Missing 3 years of exercising treaty rights, provided sufficient evidence.
Congratulations - it's been a roller coaster ride since you first posted - but at least the worst (the waiting) is over, or almost over.
This is just my opinion as a member of this forum and does not constitute immigration advice.
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Post by Frou01 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:25 am

alterhase58 wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:22 pm
Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Fantastic news!

I have been approved for British citizenship today.
I applied with the new CSI wording. Missing 3 years of exercising treaty rights, provided sufficient evidence.
Congratulations - it's been a roller coaster ride since you first posted - but at least the worst (the waiting) is over, or almost over.
Thank you very much.
Yes, it has been an absolute roller coaster for me. I’m so glad and grateful it turned out with a positive decision and also quite quick.
Your help and patience answering my questions in the beginning were very helpful and appreciated - thank you!

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Post by beaujam90 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:51 pm

Frou01 wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:25 am
alterhase58 wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:22 pm
Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Fantastic news!

I have been approved for British citizenship today.
I applied with the new CSI wording. Missing 3 years of exercising treaty rights, provided sufficient evidence.
Congratulations - it's been a roller coaster ride since you first posted - but at least the worst (the waiting) is over, or almost over.
Thank you very much.
Yes, it has been an absolute roller coaster for me. I’m so glad and grateful it turned out with a positive decision and also quite quick.
Your help and patience answering my questions in the beginning were very helpful and appreciated - thank you!


https://www.immigrationboards.com/briti ... 3-420.html

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Post by Frou01 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:07 pm

beaujam90 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:51 pm
Frou01 wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:25 am
alterhase58 wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:22 pm
Frou01 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:17 pm
Fantastic news!

I have been approved for British citizenship today.
I applied with the new CSI wording. Missing 3 years of exercising treaty rights, provided sufficient evidence.
Congratulations - it's been a roller coaster ride since you first posted - but at least the worst (the waiting) is over, or almost over.
Thank you very much.
Yes, it has been an absolute roller coaster for me. I’m so glad and grateful it turned out with a positive decision and also quite quick.
Your help and patience answering my questions in the beginning were very helpful and appreciated - thank you!


https://www.immigrationboards.com/briti ... 3-420.html
Thank you.
Yes, it’s time to leave the CSI nightmare behind and to join waiting for a ceremony. :D

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Post by arden » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:23 pm

Hi everyone!

Does anyone know if it's necessary to have CSI after getting the Settled Status?

I'm already elegible to apply to citizenship, but I was wondering...let's say I apply next year...will I have to show that I had a CSI in the qualifying years before getting the settled status, or even after getting it?

All the best!

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Post by alterhase58 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:30 pm

arden wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:23 pm
Hi everyone!

Does anyone know if it's necessary to have CSI after getting the Settled Status?

I'm already elegible to apply to citizenship, but I was wondering...let's say I apply next year...will I have to show that I had a CSI in the qualifying years before getting the settled status, or even after getting it?

All the best!
Did you need CSI under EEA regulations?

For UK settled status it is not required.
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Post by arden » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:25 pm

alterhase58 wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:30 pm
arden wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:23 pm
Hi everyone!

Does anyone know if it's necessary to have CSI after getting the Settled Status?

I'm already elegible to apply to citizenship, but I was wondering...let's say I apply next year...will I have to show that I had a CSI in the qualifying years before getting the settled status, or even after getting it?

All the best!
Did you need CSI under EEA regulations?

For UK settled status it is not required.
Hi there! As you say it is not required for the settled status, which I already have. What I'm unsure about is whether in order to naturalise I need to have the CSI (i.e., that I have to continue paying it even after being granted the settled status). Said differently, once I have the settled status, would I be a lawful resident even if I don't have a CSI (for that period, not the one before getting the settled status)? :D

All the best! :)

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Post by alterhase58 » Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:46 pm

arden wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:25 pm
alterhase58 wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:30 pm
arden wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:23 pm
Hi everyone!

Does anyone know if it's necessary to have CSI after getting the Settled Status?

I'm already elegible to apply to citizenship, but I was wondering...let's say I apply next year...will I have to show that I had a CSI in the qualifying years before getting the settled status, or even after getting it?

All the best!
Did you need CSI under EEA regulations?

For UK settled status it is not required.
Hi there! As you say it is not required for the settled status, which I already have. What I'm unsure about is whether in order to naturalise I need to have the CSI (i.e., that I have to continue paying it even after being granted the settled status). Said differently, once I have the settled status, would I be a lawful resident even if I don't have a CSI (for that period, not the one before getting the settled status)? :D

All the best! :)
Not sure I'm following you but no CSI after Settled Status, i.e. stop paying for it. It was a requirement under EU regulations, for students or self-sufficient persons.
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Post by dogcat » Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:50 pm

You no longer needed CSI past the point of being granted settled status.
For the purposes of naturalisation, you would have needed CSI (in case you were student or self sufficient) for the period prior to the grant of settled status in order for the residence to be considered 'lawfull' .

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Post by jnbh2 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:13 pm

My understanding is that the internal Home Office guidance changed end of May, and subsequently so did the application form to include a question about CSI coverage for self-sufficient people and students. Has anyone who applied before the rule change been asked to supply evidence of CSI by the Home Office?

I applied before the guidance change and only found out about this after I had enrolled my biometric details and scanned my documents, since proof of CSI was not on my document checklist.

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Post by alterhase58 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:35 pm

jnbh2 wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:13 pm
My understanding is that the internal Home Office guidance changed end of May, and subsequently so did the application form to include a question about CSI coverage for self-sufficient people and students. Has anyone who applied before the rule change been asked to supply evidence of CSI by the Home Office?

I applied before the guidance change and only found out about this after I had enrolled my biometric details and scanned my documents, since proof of CSI was not on my document checklist.
There have been reports by members receiving approval who applied both before and after guidance update - some will probably reply to your post. Here is one who didn't have CSI: https://www.immigrationboards.com/briti ... l#p1922362 . I believe that most applicants didn't have CSI but provided explanations. For yourself it shouldn't be an issue as you have not been asked that question.
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Post by Johny d » Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:53 pm

Sorry if this was answered before.

My question is about CSI and the good character test.
I moved in Sept 2015 and for 4 months I was self sufficient as I was not able to start working and had no CSI.
For the period Jan 2016 until now I have been self employed with no gaps.
I intend to apply for settled status in Jan 2021 (i have pre settled status already) so for the 5 year period I will be lawfully in the UK as a self employed EU national. Then after a year I intend to apply for UK citizenship.

Could it be that they might check the 10 year period before the application and reject it due to failing the good character test as I did not have CSI for the 4 month period (Sept 2015 to Jan 2016)? Would that 4 month period constitute unlawful residence?

Thanks in advance!

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Post by alterhase58 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:59 pm

Johny d wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:53 pm
Sorry if this was answered before.

My question is about CSI and the good character test.
I moved in Sept 2015 and for 4 months I was self sufficient as I was not able to start working and had no CSI.
For the period Jan 2016 until now I have been self employed with no gaps.
I intend to apply for settled status in Jan 2021 (i have pre settled status already) so for the 5 year period I will be lawfully in the UK as a self employed EU national. Then after a year I intend to apply for UK citizenship.

Could it be that they might check the 10 year period before the application and reject it due to failing the good character test as I did not have CSI for the 4 month period (Sept 2015 to Jan 2016)? Would that 4 month period constitute unlawful residence?

Thanks in advance!
So far there have been no reports by members of being refused on account of missing CSI. Indeed, quite a few applicants without CSI have received their approvals. Should you be asked about CSI clearly you need to answer NO and explain. I very much doubt the four months will have any impact, also as a worker you would not have needed it anyway.
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Post by Johny d » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:25 pm

Thanks!
Just to clarify the 4 month period (Sept 2015- Jan 2016) is a period prior of the 5 year period I intend to use for settled status (Jan 2016- Jan 2021). Over that 4 month period I was waiting for all the paperwork needed to start working for the NHS, although I had an offer, therefore I was not working and had no CSI. Therefore I will have settled status as self employed for the (Jan 2016- Jan 2021) 5 year period and I will be lawfully resident for the (Jan 2017- Jan 2022) which I intend to use for my citizenship application. The question is will that 4 months at the beginning cause trouble (in terms of good character) if they assess any breaches in the 10 year period from the date of application for British citizenship?

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Post by Frou01 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:03 am

This is about your qualifying years only.
As said above people applying prior the change have been approved with lack of csi in their qualifying period and people even after that change. I’m one of those applied in May with at least half my qualifying period missing out on csi been approved with no further questions asked.

It makes sense to read through the thread about experiences.
And like the admin says it’s important to explain why.
I have been for over 8 years in the UK and explained my whole time here in a cover letter and also attached selected documents prior my qualifying time.

As this gap is just 4 months and prior your qualifying time I don’t see this will have any impact.
Just explain your life in UK in a detailed cover letter.

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