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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by alterhase58 » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:10 pm

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Hello,

A question to EU applicants - I've been trying to obtain a form E104/ S041 from my home country Bulgaria to prove I was insured there while I was a student in the UK from 2011 to 2016. I have a few friends who have done this and their citizenship applications have been successful.

However, I have been advised by the Bulgarian Health Service that they can no longer provide this form to me personally, and they need HMRC to contact them and request the form instead. According to the Bulgarian authorities, the process changed since 1 January 2021. When I spoke to the HMRC they seem confused and say they cannot help me - I've been going in circles for weeks.

Has anyone managed to obtain an E104/ S041 this year? If so do you have any advice? I used to have EHIC cards but I haven't saved them and I don't know what other proof of my insurance in Bulgaria I can provide. Would a cover letter stating that I have been insured be sufficient? Has anyone applied without any such proof (I see there are no reports of anyone being rejected solely because of CSI).

Sorry for a long message - would be interested to hear from anyone in a similar situation :)
No personal experience of CSI - just monitoring the subject since last year.
Realisticly you probably haven't got a choice - explain your arrangements in a covering letter including the change in system around the health insurance form. As you said there is no hard and fast evidence that applicants have been rejected due to CSI issues - but it's down to you whether to apply or not.
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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by amka » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:21 pm

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Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:41 pm
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Hello,

I'm not sure if this is the right topic to post my question, so please let me know if I should post somewhere else.

I'm currently filling out my online naturalisation application and the only 'requirement' I'm not meeting 100% is the CSI requirement. I arrived in the UK in Feb 2009 at 14 years old, finished High School in 2013 and then went to university. I studied at uni from Sep 2013 until July 2017 when I graduated. While studying I was in a part-time job from May 2014 until July 2017. I have an employment gap between 30 July 2017 and 30 October 2017 as I relocated back home upon completing my studies (I studied in a different city) and was looking for jobs.

From the posts I've read on the forum, some people recommended attaching a cover letter to explain why I didn't have CSI while studying/ during a gap in employment, which I will do.

However, my question is to do with the last part of the application. Does not having CSI count as being in the UK illegally or just in breach of the law? I'm asking because one of the last questions on the application is as follows:

"If you are the husband, wife, or civil partner of a British citizen, you must have been in the UK for the last 3 years. If you are not the husband, wife, or civil partner of a British citizen, you must have been in the UK for the last 5 years. This is called your ‘qualifying period’.

- You must have been in the UK on the first day of your 3-year or 5-year qualifying period
- You must not have spent more than 270 days outside the UK during a 3-year qualifying period, or 450 days during a 5-year qualifying period
- You must not have been outside the UK for more than 90 days in the last 12 months
- You must not have been here illegally in the 3-year or 5-year qualifying period

Do you meet these residence requirements? Yes/No"


Therefore, I'm not sure if I should mark Yes or No here if I didn't have CSI?

The next two questions ask:

"Are there any reasons why you cannot meet the requirements to become a British citizen (for example, you have had too many absences from the UK)?"

"If you do not meet the statutory requirements to become a British citizen, are there any special circumstances why you think the Home Secretary should still grant your application?"


Again, if I didn't have CSI should I mark yes in the first question and then give an explanation in the second question also referring to the cover letter attached?

Then the last question asks: "Do you have any other details that you would like to be considered regarding this applicant and their application to be registered as a British Citizen?"

Should I use this as another opportunity to explain my CSI situation?

Or should I just mark all of these as "No" and then when it comes to uploading my documents and proof of CSI, upload a cover letter explaining why I never obtained it?

I hope my questions make sense!

Thank you so much for your help.
This is a good question - what have you done? I've selected 'no' on the two first questions and yes on the last one. I suggest explaining your situation in the last question. I have looked everywhere online for anyone that has been rejected and so far no one has been rejected as far as I am aware.

Good luck with your application and keep us updated
Hi! So sorry, I literally just noticed that someone replied to my comment. :)

I said "Yes" for meeting residence requirements and "No" for the following two questions. I remember I read more into it and didn't think that not having CSI was a big enough thing to consider for these questions. However, I did still supply a cover letter explaining why I didn't have CSI during my employment gaps.

I submitted my application on 9th March 2021 and received my letter of approval on the 18th of September - the letter was dated 10th of September. :)

If you're still in the process yourself, good luck! Just be patient and try not to stress. :)

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by WINTERBLUE » Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:35 pm

If someone can please help. I have been employed for the last 5 years and three of those I was a student. Should I apply as a worker negating the CSI requirement or should I apply as a student which means I've got to supply documentation for CSI? there have been no employment gaps in the last 5 years although some of it was part time I.e. 25 hours a week.

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by stegio80 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:27 pm

Does this happen only if there is a significant gap in the employment history? I have gaps lasting only four days ...

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Post by alterhase58 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:52 pm

stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:27 pm
Does this happen only if there is a significant gap in the employment history? I have gaps lasting only four days ...
CSI requirement only applied to people exercising treaty rights as "students" or "self-sufficient".
You were job searching which is no issue - as advised already.
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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by stegio80 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:54 pm

Do I need to prove I was looking for a job in the first month by attaching some documents or really not needed? Thanks.
alterhase58 wrote:
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stegio80 wrote:
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Does this happen only if there is a significant gap in the employment history? I have gaps lasting only four days ...
CSI requirement only applied to people exercising treaty rights as "students" or "self-sufficient".
You were job searching which is no issue - as advised already.

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by alterhase58 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:55 pm

stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:54 pm
Do I need to prove I was looking for a job in the first month by attaching some documents or really not needed? Thanks.
alterhase58 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:52 pm
stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:27 pm
Does this happen only if there is a significant gap in the employment history? I have gaps lasting only four days ...
CSI requirement only applied to people exercising treaty rights as "students" or "self-sufficient".
You were job searching which is no issue - as advised already.
No - you just declare the one month as "unemployed". Work is not a pre-requisite for naturalisation.
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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by stegio80 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:56 pm

Where do I need to do so? Just attaching a letter?

quote=alterhase58 post_id=2036209 time=1633884914 user_id=147214]
stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:54 pm
Do I need to prove I was looking for a job in the first month by attaching some documents or really not needed? Thanks.
alterhase58 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:52 pm
stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:27 pm
Does this happen only if there is a significant gap in the employment history? I have gaps lasting only four days ...
CSI requirement only applied to people exercising treaty rights as "students" or "self-sufficient".
You were job searching which is no issue - as advised already.
No - you just declare the one month as "unemployed".
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Post by alterhase58 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:58 pm

stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:56 pm
Where do I need to do so? Just attaching a letter?

quote=alterhase58 post_id=2036209 time=1633884914 user_id=147214]
stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:54 pm
Do I need to prove I was looking for a job in the first month by attaching some documents or really not needed? Thanks.
alterhase58 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:52 pm
stegio80 wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:27 pm
Does this happen only if there is a significant gap in the employment history? I have gaps lasting only four days ...
CSI requirement only applied to people exercising treaty rights as "students" or "self-sufficient".
You were job searching which is no issue - as advised already.
No - you just declare the one month as "unemployed".
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As part of your employment history - not need for documents or letter - employment is not a pre-requisite for naturalisation.
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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by stegio80 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:01 pm

I didn't do it because the form asked for the last five years (not six). I creare a new job and add unemployed.

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by anmax1982 » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:24 pm

Hello All,

I had a question on CSI and naturalization application.

I hold an EU passport and my wife holds a non-EU passport. We came to UK in 2015 and I have a continuous employment history since then. My wife came to UK as a family member of EU citizen, was unemployed till March 2016 and since then has been continuously employed.

We both got our EU Settled status last year. This year, my wife wants to apply for British Passport.

In view of the above, does she need the CSI during those initial months in UK (Jun 2015 till March 2016)? Since I was a qualified EU person, working all the time in UK and was exercising my rights as a worker, my understanding is that, neither me nor my wife needs the CSI in a strict sense.

Is my above understanding correct? Happy to hear views.

Thanks.

Kind Regards,
Aneesh

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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by alterhase58 » Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:00 am

anmax1982 wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:24 pm
Hello All,

I had a question on CSI and naturalization application.

I hold an EU passport and my wife holds a non-EU passport. We came to UK in 2015 and I have a continuous employment history since then. My wife came to UK as a family member of EU citizen, was unemployed till March 2016 and since then has been continuously employed.

We both got our EU Settled status last year. This year, my wife wants to apply for British Passport.

In view of the above, does she need the CSI during those initial months in UK (Jun 2015 till March 2016)? Since I was a qualified EU person, working all the time in UK and was exercising my rights as a worker, my understanding is that, neither me nor my wife needs the CSI in a strict sense.

Is my above understanding correct? Happy to hear views.

Thanks.

Kind Regards,
Aneesh
Your wife needs to apply for naturalisation first and once British can then apply for a British passport.

Only persons exercising EU Treaty Rights as "Students" or "Self-Sufficient" would have been required to have CSI.
"Workers/Job-seekers/Self-employed" were not required to have CSI. From what you you describe, in my opinion, you and your wife come under the latter category and CSI would not have been required.
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Post by anmax1982 » Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:06 pm

Thanks a lot for sharing that. Yes, my wife would first apply for the naturalization this year.

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Post by anmax1982 » Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:01 pm

Just had another question. As part of the Naturalization application, will Home Office collect a person's passport? Especially people applying through the settled status route.

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Post by CR001 » Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:07 pm

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Just had another question. As part of the Naturalization application, will Home Office collect a person's passport? Especially people applying through the settled status route.
No. There are no originals sent to UKVI for citizenship applications anymore and has been the case since November 2018, regardless of your route to ilr/settled status
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Re: General discussion on CSI and Settled Status. Big issues for people on the EEA-Applications Routes

Post by stegio80 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:12 pm

alterhase58 wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:00 am
anmax1982 wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:24 pm
Hello All,

I had a question on CSI and naturalization application.

I hold an EU passport and my wife holds a non-EU passport. We came to UK in 2015 and I have a continuous employment history since then. My wife came to UK as a family member of EU citizen, was unemployed till March 2016 and since then has been continuously employed.

We both got our EU Settled status last year. This year, my wife wants to apply for British Passport.

In view of the above, does she need the CSI during those initial months in UK (Jun 2015 till March 2016)? Since I was a qualified EU person, working all the time in UK and was exercising my rights as a worker, my understanding is that, neither me nor my wife needs the CSI in a strict sense.

Is my above understanding correct? Happy to hear views.

Thanks.

Kind Regards,
Aneesh
Your wife needs to apply for naturalisation first and once British can then apply for a British passport.

Only persons exercising EU Treaty Rights as "Students" or "Self-Sufficient" would have been required to have CSI.
"Workers/Job-seekers/Self-employed" were not required to have CSI. From what you you describe, in my opinion, you and your wife come under the latter category and CSI would not have been required.
As to the trips of the last 5 years, if I apply on 8 December 2021, do I need to list the trips made from 8 December 2016?
Between 1 and 6 December 2016 I was absent from the UK. Do I need to list this trip too?
Many thanks

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Post by rsonne888 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:26 pm

Hi, can someone help to understand the following.. I just got a settled status in the UK (as a EU family member) and want to apply for a citizenship. My husband was my sponsor for the previous EU family member route and then all my applications under EUSS. Several years ago, when Brexit fun has started, he also got himself a British passport. So the questions is whether now I can apply straightaway for the citizenship myself and not wait another 12 months as usually after ILR. It seems that as my husband is also British, the HO offers this option with the settled status under EUSS. Just wanted to confirm that I understood this right, as before this was relevant only for the British wife visa routes..

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Post by vinny » Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:18 am

rsonne888 wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:26 pm
So the questions is whether now I can apply straightaway for the citizenship myself
Yes, subject to the other requirements.

After getting ILR, there is no requirement for the spouse of a British citizen under Section 6(2) to wait for a minimum of one year, irrespective of route.
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Post by rsonne888 » Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:24 pm

great, thanks!!

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