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English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by chenna_kavi » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:38 pm

Hi there,

My friend would want to apply for her Naturalization next month. She had passed the Life in the UK test and also obtained a certificate from UKNARIC (statement of comparability) with her degree certificate. Now that, does this two requirements would be sufficient to obtain her Naturalization? Or does she need to write any other English test to prove her (Speaking and Writing skill). Please advise.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by Just Wondering » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:04 pm

If her degree was taught in a country which is not considered English speaking then she'll either need a English Language Assessment from UK NARIC.

She can also see if the PBS Calculator would award her degree 10 pts and if it does, print off the screen shot of this.
The points based calculator http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/pointscalculator. You can dummy most questions, but on the English Skills Requirement, put in your degree information, and it will say if you're awarded 10 points. You would need to print off the screen the shows the 10 points awarded for English Skills against your degree details along with the original degree certificate. If there are 0 points awarded for English Skills, then your degree won't meet the requirement.
If the PBS system doesn't award points for English Skills or UK NARIC doesn't deem the course to be taught to the requisite level then she'll have to sit an English test. See (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... -tests.pdf)

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by prasadduddi » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:36 pm

Hi,

The Guidance Notes associated to Form AN states that we need to provide Certificate shoing htat the qualicicarion deemed by UK NARIC and English Language Assesment from UKNARIC, please see the point 3 below.

I dont think PBS printout is sufficient, please check and advise

Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK

Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by the Test Supervisor; and either

Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in English at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification; OR

Certificate showing that you have obtained an academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and (i) an English Language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC confirming that the qualification was taught or researched in English or (ii) the qualification was taught or researched in the UK or a majority English speaking country (other than Canada); OR

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by prasadduddi » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:12 am

I am also confused with conflicting information from UKBA.

In the Form AN and Guide AN, they haven't mentioned anything about PBS Calculator but in the link below it is mentioned that if the qualification is recongnized in PBC it is enough to show it as proof.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... ification/

I am totally confused now. Please help.

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by aruni4470 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:59 pm

I was in the same confusion and this is the reply I got from the UKBA..

Dear Sir,

We will accept a print out from the points calculator as evidence of English language for a naturalisation application, provided it shows that the degree was awarded at least 20 points for comparability to a UK degree, and an additional 10 points for English language,

I trust this is helpful

xxxx

Also, see the below excerpt from

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... ification/

A printout from the points-based calculator confirming the equivalent level of your degree and the level of English; or

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by Just Wondering » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:55 am

prasadduddi wrote:I am also confused with conflicting information from UKBA.

In the Form AN and Guide AN, they haven't mentioned anything about PBS Calculator but in the link below it is mentioned that if the qualification is recongnized in PBC it is enough to show it as proof.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/briti ... ification/

I am totally confused now. Please help.
Behind the Guide is an entire set of rules set out in legislation and policy. It will not include everything you may need - but should address the most common issues.

As you've linked, it is UKBA policy (in addition to what is set out in the Guide) to accept the PBS calculator print-out. This is also verified by the email response aruni4470 received from UKBA. A number of applicants have used the PBS calculator print-out along with their original degree certificate as proof that they satisfy this requirement.

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by prasadduddi » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:04 am

aruni4470

Thanks for your reply, from which mail id you got the reply.
Could you please send me actual mail to prasad.js79@gmail.com

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by prasadduddi » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:31 am

Thanks for your replies.

May be I am too pessimistic in this issue.

I have checked the timelines of various applicants who applied for Naturalizaion with PBS printout but all of them are still waiting for Approval decision. I haven't seen a case where the applicant applied with PBS printout after Oct 23 and got his/her application approved.

This is the reason I was worried and posted the question.

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by aruni4470 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:19 pm

prasadduddi wrote:aruni4470

Thanks for your reply, from which mail id you got the reply.
Could you please send me actual mail to prasad.js79@gmail.com
knowledgeoflifepolicyqueries@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by prasadduddi » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:48 pm

Quick Update,

I too got a reply mail from UKBA stating that PBS printout is sufficient.
So it is not required to get NARIC letter if the degree is recognised in PBS and points are awarded.

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by Xmas2012 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:00 pm

Hi

I have same issue with my application

Any Help

I got master degree from India and letter from University confirming medium of instructions were in English

Got UK Naric Comparability to master of UK

Got Life in the UK test

Are these sufficient or not


I have also checked following
PBS calculator shows 0 points

Naric doesn’t provide English assessment for master degree.


Please advise.


Thanks

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by theasterix » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:42 am

prasadduddi wrote:Quick Update,

I too got a reply mail from UKBA stating that PBS printout is sufficient.
So it is not required to get NARIC letter if the degree is recognised in PBS and points are awarded.
Hi prasad, could you please forward me the email which you got from HMRC ( atul_temp@forward.cat ) . I have mailed HMRC and have not got any confirmation back from them. Though I am going to use the printout, it might help to have a copy of this email as well.



Thanks

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by kalrah » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:02 pm

Hi everyone. Could any one of you forward the email from UKBA to heman.kalra@gmail.com. I am in a same situation where I need confirmation of using the PBS to satisfy English requirement.

Thanks

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by priya109 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:43 pm

Hi,

Please can someone share the email from UKBA confirming that the PBS printout is sufficient to prove the language requirement. Alos please can you share the emailID on which you have posted the query to UKBA.
I am also confused about which option to select on the form under the evidence of knowledge of language and life in the UK section of the Form AN. Thanks in advance for your help.

Priya

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by alladin » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:51 pm

Hi,

I have taken ILR on Feb,2013 (hsmp+Tier1 5 year route) and was planning for taking citizenship.

I have a query about english requirement. I can see my degree (taught in India) getting 30 points in the point based calculator. I also have a degree certificate and a letter from the uni saying that the degree was taught in english which I can submit along the application.

According to the notes here, https://www.gov.uk/english-language, it doesnt seem to be necessary for me to take the naric route or exams like ESOL to prove knowledge of english language. But could someone please confirm whether my assumption is correct?

Many Thanks,
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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by fwd079 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:28 pm

alladin wrote:Hi,

I have taken ILR on Feb,2013 (hsmp+Tier1 5 year route) and was planning for taking citizenship.

I have a query about english requirement. I can see my degree (taught in India) getting 30 points in the point based calculator. I also have a degree certificate and a letter from the uni saying that the degree was taught in english which I can submit along the application.

According to the notes here, https://www.gov.uk/english-language, it doesnt seem to be necessary for me to take the naric route or exams like ESOL to prove knowledge of english language. But could someone please confirm whether my assumption is correct?

Many Thanks,
alladin
Yes, check please that on PBS print out that 10 points are awarded for English.
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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by alladin » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:31 pm

fwd079 wrote:
alladin wrote:Hi,

I have taken ILR on Feb,2013 (hsmp+Tier1 5 year route) and was planning for taking citizenship.

I have a query about english requirement. I can see my degree (taught in India) getting 30 points in the point based calculator. I also have a degree certificate and a letter from the uni saying that the degree was taught in english which I can submit along the application.

According to the notes here, https://www.gov.uk/english-language, it doesnt seem to be necessary for me to take the naric route or exams like ESOL to prove knowledge of english language. But could someone please confirm whether my assumption is correct?

Many Thanks,
alladin
Yes, check please that on PBS print out that 10 points are awarded for English.
Thanks for your response. I will check.
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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by alladin » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:55 am

Hi,

From the point based calculator, I can see I get 30 points for the degree and 10 points for English language. I hope this should meet the requirement for knowledge of English language.

Thanks,
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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by cash » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:06 am

Hi,

Can someone forward me the email from UKBA regarding acceptance of Point based calculator printout. I contacted my local council for nationality checking service and they are unaware of this and say they can only accept a letter from UK NARIC. Kindly email me on prakash191281@gmail.com

Also kindly let me know if I should tick the following two columns on Form AN:

I have obtained an academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and:
(i)
UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or researched in English;

Regards,

Cash

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by srivathsa » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:17 pm

alladin wrote:
From the point based calculator, I can see I get 30 points for the degree and 10 points for English language. I hope this should meet the requirement for knowledge of English language.

Thanks,
alladin
Hi,

Did you get points for degree and English language separately? because when I tried the Calculator, it showed me points only for English language (10 points), but i can't see anything for Degree, which I guess is important.

I used the link for PBS from this page https://www.gov.uk/english-language

PBS: https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gu ... ment.faces

I also spoke to my local council re the English eligibility and they confirmed that they will accept PBS calculator printout as evidence, but it should show atleast 20 points for Degree.


Thanks

Sri

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by alladin » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:20 pm

srivathsa wrote:
alladin wrote:
From the point based calculator, I can see I get 30 points for the degree and 10 points for English language. I hope this should meet the requirement for knowledge of English language.

Thanks,
alladin
Hi,

Did you get points for degree and English language separately? because when I tried the Calculator, it showed me points only for English language (10 points), but i can't see anything for Degree, which I guess is important.

I used the link for PBS from this page https://www.gov.uk/english-language

PBS: https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gu ... ment.faces

I also spoke to my local council re the English eligibility and they confirmed that they will accept PBS calculator printout as evidence, but it should show atleast 20 points for Degree.


Thanks

Sri
I did get points for degree. Is your awarding institution listed in the available list?
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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by srivathsa » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:51 pm

Yes, its listed, and I used the same PBS calculator successfully for my ILR application last year.

What I am not able to get is the points for Degree separately. I can see points for overall, salary, maintenance,english language, but not degree.

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by alladin » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:57 pm

srivathsa wrote:Yes, its listed, and I used the same PBS calculator successfully for my ILR application last year.

What I am not able to get is the points for Degree separately. I can see points for overall, salary, maintenance,english language, but not degree.
I am not sure in this case as I can see my degree listed. Is there any chance your degree from the awarding institution's has been been removed from NARIC database?
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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by srivathsa » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:43 pm

The university and the degree is still listed in the calculator. I think the problem lies in the first question, if you choose Tier 2, then you wont see points for degree, and if you choose Tier 1, you will see points. Don't know the reason behind it, but I saw it in another thread, where someone in Tier 2 had to do it as Tier 1 to get the points printout. I am going to have to try the same.

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Re: English Requirement for NATURALISATION

Post by alladin » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:00 pm

srivathsa wrote:The university and the degree is still listed in the calculator. I think the problem lies in the first question, if you choose Tier 2, then you wont see points for degree, and if you choose Tier 1, you will see points. Don't know the reason behind it, but I saw it in another thread, where someone in Tier 2 had to do it as Tier 1 to get the points printout. I am going to have to try the same.

thanks

Probably that explains this. I didnt try this with Tier2.
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