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The only silly questions are the ones you don't ask - and they usually catch you out later.Miko7 wrote:Hi everyone,
I have 2 simple questions and it will sound a bit silly to some of you here but important questions for most of us. I live and work in England for last 9 years and can provide P60s etc and decided to finally apply for BC. After all the recent changes they have made I am not sure if I can apply for citizenship without Permanent residence card? I know that last year you had that option if you are EEA national but as I can read from above it sounds like you have to first apply for PR card now. Citizens Advice Bureau was not able to confirm and have not received a clear answer from anyone else
If you need PR Card, how quickly you can apply for citizenship after receiving it? What I can see from here, there is no straight answer for this. Or do I have to wait for whole 12 months after receiving/issue PR Card? Does it mean that there is a chance to apply for citizenship e.g. a week after receiving PR Card?
I would be very grateful if someone could explain in simple words.
Many thanks!
Scott
Sorry to be pedantic, but ILR is an acceptable alternative. (I believe RoA is also an alternative.) There are a few non-British EEA nationals who have indefinite leave to remain but no PR cards, and probably even some who have ILR but not permanent residence.noajthan wrote: Yes, any EEA national (or family dependent) applying for the privilege of citizenship now has to submit a confirmation of PR card; it is one of the mandatory requirements for naturalisation.
HO telephone helpline is notoriously unreliable and unfortunately cannot be held liable for decisions made by people acting on their 'advice'nataliedelmar wrote: Basically, what they said was that if you’ve been exercising Treaty Rights for 6+ years, once you’ve got your document, certifying permanent residence, you can apply for Naturalisation straight away. However (and this is the confusing bit), as the document proves only 5 years, you would have to (again) prove the last 6 years, or at least the 1 year before the 5 years covered by the permanent residence card.
In my case, I’ve been exercising Treaty Rights for over 9 years and we proved these 9 years when applying for a permanent card. I asked if this would be on their system, as I really don’t see a point to prove same period twice, but they said that they don’t hold this data, so I’ll need to prove it again.
Unless either you or your spouse are EU citizens (not British), this topic/thread is not relevant to you. ILR in her passport is fine. PR is different in that it is though the EEA/EU Route.kankerot wrote:My wife recieved ILR in 2009 and it was a stamp/ sheet in her passport. For her Naturalisation application at the NCS all they asked was to point out where it was in her passport, no other reference was made for a document confirming this.
Does this mean my wife British Citizenship application will be declined? If so then what is the point of the check and send service if they don't pick up this point?
My statements in this topic are in context of topic which is EU migration route & regulations.Richard W wrote:Sorry to be pedantic, but ILR is an acceptable alternative. (I believe RoA is also an alternative.) There are a few non-British EEA nationals who have indefinite leave to remain but no PR cards, and probably even some who have ILR but not permanent residence.noajthan wrote: Yes, any EEA national (or family dependent) applying for the privilege of citizenship now has to submit a confirmation of PR card; it is one of the mandatory requirements for naturalisation.
No you can't. It's a regional service line for NCS which is run by UKVI. It doesn't accept public calls and as such there is no queue, they answer immediatelynatienka wrote:ohara This is very helpful. What is this magical hotline that they called to find out when that PR was actually given to you? I guess I cannot call it?
Well at least you know there and then in the appointment... but what if they say that e.g. they've deemed me as having received PR only yesterday (for example), I guess that would mean I would lose the appointment cost and have to wait for whenever those 12 months pass, and go for an appointment again?ohara wrote:No you can't. It's a regional service line for NCS which is run by UKVI. It doesn't accept public calls and as such there is no queue, they answer immediatelynatienka wrote:ohara This is very helpful. What is this magical hotline that they called to find out when that PR was actually given to you? I guess I cannot call it?
Yes, and that would be unfortunate if it did happen, but on the bright side you'd be losing £60 instead of £1236.natienka wrote:Well at least you know there and then in the appointment... but what if they say that e.g. they've deemed me as having received PR only yesterday (for example), I guess that would mean I would lose the appointment cost and have to wait for whenever those 12 months pass, and go for an appointment again?
Permanent residence acquired on 01/06/12
Trinity College B1 SELT passed on 26/01/16
Document certifying PR received on 11/02/16
Life in the UK test passed on 02/03/16
Naturalisation application submitted on 09/03/16
Biometric information enrolled on 23/03/16
HO unfortunately doesn't specify the date you received PR on the document certifying PR. This means you don't know the actual date they've noted in the system, until you then make an appointment with NCS when applying for citizenship.michaldob wrote:Thank you for your response.
Your timeline specifies 01/06/12 as a date of when PR was obtained. Is this date something that the HO specified when they sent you the PR Card?
When applying for a PR card did you send the documentation to confirm that you have had indeed acquired PR status on that date? Or did you just send the documents for the "last 5 years"?
The reason I am asking is that it seems that some users are reporting some "hidden" date that HO applies to EEA PR applications which apparently counts as the start date for the PR status. I know this sounds weird but you newer know with HO
Again, from the official HO guidance it would seem to me that if I worked in the UK (all WRS is in order) since Aug 2007 I have acquired PR status in Aug 2012. Going back to my previous example I would need to send documents confirming employment and all other stuff for 2010 which should do the trick and satisfy the HO regarding the residence time - 2010 + PR card (2011 - 2016). Is that right?
The date of issue of the card was something like 22/01/16. I made a subject access request a week after I got the card, but I ended up having my NCS appointment before the results came back (to beat the fee increase). While I was at NCS the lady made a phone call and found that the date I acquired PR was deemed to be 01/06/2012.michaldob wrote:Thank you for your response.
Your timeline specifies 01/06/12 as a date of when PR was obtained. Is this date something that the HO specified when they sent you the PR Card?
When applying for a PR card did you send the documentation to confirm that you have had indeed acquired PR status on that date? Or did you just send the documents for the "last 5 years"?
The reason I am asking is that it seems that some users are reporting some "hidden" date that HO applies to EEA PR applications which apparently counts as the start date for the PR status. I know this sounds weird but you newer know with HO
Again, from the official HO guidance it would seem to me that if I worked in the UK (all WRS is in order) since Aug 2007 I have acquired PR status in Aug 2012. Going back to my previous example I would need to send documents confirming employment and all other stuff for 2010 which should do the trick and satisfy the HO regarding the residence time - 2010 + PR card (2011 - 2016). Is that right?
ohara wrote:While I was at NCS the lady made a phone call and found that the date I acquired PR was deemed to be 01/06/2012.
This is interesting. I hear that many NCS offices are happy to help EEA nationals with checking their actual date of PR with the HO.ohara wrote:While I was at NCS the lady made a phone call and found that the date I acquired PR was deemed to be 01/06/2012.
I had a similar experience when asking for confirmation that our nearest NCS can do this check, as I don't think HO will respond to my SAR in time.dapto10 wrote:This is interesting. I hear that many NCS offices are happy to help EEA nationals with checking their actual date of PR with the HO.
I did try to book my NCS appointment with my council and a rather rude lady told me she can't book me now as my DCPR issue date is less than a year ago. I tried very politely to explain what's the situation with the new rules (whereby the HO asks for a PR card but the actual date is not the date of issue) and she simply said they can't make such checks with the Home Office.
I suggest printing this off: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/128 ... Cards.docxdapto10 wrote:This is interesting. I hear that many NCS offices are happy to help EEA nationals with checking their actual date of PR with the HO.ohara wrote:While I was at NCS the lady made a phone call and found that the date I acquired PR was deemed to be 01/06/2012.
I did try to book my NCS appointment with my council and a rather rude lady told me she can't book me now as my DCPR issue date is less than a year ago. I tried very politely to explain what's the situation with the new rules (whereby the HO asks for a PR card but the actual date is not the date of issue) and she simply said they can't make such checks with the Home Office.