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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by ohara » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:04 am

Yes, when you complete the part of the SAR form which asks what data you want, tick the first 2 boxes (and any others you are interested in).

They will send you all of the caseworker information they hold on you, which will include the date they have recorded for you acquiring PR.

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by cubinec » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:01 pm

Hi . Need a help. I have permanent resident since dec/2015 valid for 10 years. I was married to eu citezen for 5 years. Now i am divorced, and total i was married for 5 years, and have PR for 3 months. Totally lives under uk law for 5 years 3 months since married. Now my quastion , i have heard that as soon as I rich 6 years since i get married i can apply for British naturalisation if i have PR. Is it right? Thanks









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Indianlonly wrote:I don't know if I should request this form or not as I already have stamped in my passport when I first enter to the kingdom therefor I was granted such a permanent few weeks ago due to 5year in the United so it's obviously shown I have spent 5 m years here plus 6 months the time waiting for my permanent resident card so it's clear that in 2 month I will complete 6 years
If you have it stamped on your passport the actual date in which you achieved permanent residency then that should be the date that the home office has on their systems that you achieved permanent residency (although I was not aware that this happened- are you an eu citizen?). Personally for me it was more peace of mind. I was able to see all the documents that the home office held on me and it clearly stated the date I achieved permanent residency. I will probably include a copy of the sar with my application so that there's no mistake on permanent residency date

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by Indianlonly » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:06 am

ohara wrote:Yes, when you complete the part of the SAR form which asks what data you want, tick the first 2 boxes (and any others you are interested in).

They will send you all of the caseworker information they hold on you, which will include the date they have recorded for you acquiring PR.
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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by Indianlonly » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:59 pm

Just a quick question
Regarding to referendum in June what is out statue is Gona be due to our permanent resident ? In case uk vote to leave , are we Gona leave as our permanent following the EU rules or we can stay and we can be treating as irl ?

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Post by ohara » Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:52 pm

Nobody knows yet. It is possible they will convert PR to ILR for all settled EEA nationals. It is unlikely there will just be an exodus :shock:

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by Casa » Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:55 pm

Indianlonly wrote:Just a quick question
Regarding to referendum in June what is out statue is Gona be due to our permanent resident ? In case uk vote to leave , are we Gona leave as our permanent following the EU rules or we can stay and we can be treating as irl ?
I suggest you follow this thread to keep up with the discussion
http://www.immigrationboards.com/eea-ro ... 03556.html
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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by menie13 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:06 pm

Hello

I would like to apply for a naturalisation/British Citizenship. I am French and married to a British Citizen. I worked in UK since 2006.
So if I understand well prior my application for British Citizenship I need
- to apply for a Permanent Residence Card
- pass the Life in the UK test
- pass the B1 exam

Regarding the PR, can I bring the application myself so I haven't need sending them my passport etc or do I need to send to them the form and all doc? I am asking as I need my French Passport..

I have passed the Life in the UK test in 2013, do you know if that's still valid?
Regarding the B1 test, is that like a formal chat for 15-30 minutes?

Thanks in advcance

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by ohara » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:29 am

The application for a document certifying permanent residence can only be made by post and you have to send everything to the UKVI office in Liverpool. Unfortunately you must send original documents. Do you have a French national ID card you could send instead of your passport? If not, you can send your passport, and then officially request it back. You should wait at least 10 working days from when your application is received by UKVI before doing this though.

https://www.gov.uk/visa-documents-returned

When applying for the DCPR, make sure you send evidence for a period that ended at least 1 year ago (so for example use 2009-2014). This way you will not need to wait another 12 months before applying for citizenship and instead you can do it immediately.

You do need to prove your English language to at least GESE Grade 5 level. If you have a degree from the UK, or one abroad that was taught or researched in English, this should be accepted. Otherwise, you will have to sit a short test. This lasts for 10 minutes and costs about £150. You have to pick a subject and the examiner will ask you questions about it for 5 minutes, and then the examiner will pick their own subject from a set list and ask you questions about it for 5 minutes. They are just looking to make sure your use of adjectives and past/present/future tense is correct etc.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... entres.pdf

Life in the UK test does not expire.

Be aware the fee for naturalisation application is increasing to £1236 on the 18th of March :?

Good luck :)

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by Nomad10 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:10 pm

Greetings everyone,

I am in the process of preparing my citizenship application after obtaining DCPR end of December.

I decided to call home office again to check about the 12 months waiting rule after PR certificate is obtained.

One agent said it's ok to apply, another one today said no I have to wait until next december.

I have been in UK since 1999, so i got PR very long time ago, which i explained on the phone call.

I am lost as to whose views i should follow. It's frustrating to get different contradictory advice from the same source.

Has anyone applied for citizenship recently without waiting for 12 months?

Thanks.

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by noajthan » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:19 pm

Nomad10 wrote:Greetings everyone,

I am in the process of preparing my citizenship application after obtaining DCPR end of December.

I decided to call home office again to check about the 12 months waiting rule after PR certificate is obtained.

One agent said it's ok to apply, another one today said no I have to wait until next december.

I have been in UK since 1999, so i got PR very long time ago, which i explained on the phone call.

I am lost as to whose views i should follow. It's frustrating to get different contradictory advice from the same source.

Has anyone applied for citizenship recently without waiting for 12 months?

Thanks.
First rule of UK immigration: do not rely on HO helpline.
It is well-documented that the operatives are not accountable for the advice given and which is of variable quality.

Ref https://www.freemovement.org.uk/immigra ... pectation/

The position vis a vis PR is clear now;
the applicant has to be free of immigration time restrictions for the relevant time period; if not married to a BC that is 12 months.

You have asked the same question elsewhere in the forum & been given a similar answer.

This is a summary of the position (from earlier in this thread):
british-citizenship/from-12-11-pr-docum ... s#p1289482

For someone with the benefit of 'historical' PR (acquired sometime ago in the past) that is clearly not the same as having to hold a 'confirmation of PR' card for 12 months.
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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by Miko7 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:25 pm

Hi everyone,
I have 2 simple questions and it will sound a bit silly to some of you here but important questions for most of us. I live and work in England for last 9 years and can provide P60s etc and decided to finally apply for BC. After all the recent changes they have made I am not sure if I can apply for citizenship without Permanent residence card? I know that last year you had that option if you are EEA national but as I can read from above it sounds like you have to first apply for PR card now. Citizens Advice Bureau was not able to confirm and have not received a clear answer from anyone else :(

If you need PR Card, how quickly you can apply for citizenship after receiving it? What I can see from here, there is no straight answer for this. Or do I have to wait for whole 12 months after receiving/issue PR Card? Does it mean that there is a chance to apply for citizenship e.g. a week after receiving PR Card? :?:

I would be very grateful if someone could explain in simple words.

Many thanks!

Scott

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by noajthan » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:44 pm

Miko7 wrote:Hi everyone,
I have 2 simple questions and it will sound a bit silly to some of you here but important questions for most of us. I live and work in England for last 9 years and can provide P60s etc and decided to finally apply for BC. After all the recent changes they have made I am not sure if I can apply for citizenship without Permanent residence card? I know that last year you had that option if you are EEA national but as I can read from above it sounds like you have to first apply for PR card now. Citizens Advice Bureau was not able to confirm and have not received a clear answer from anyone else :(

If you need PR Card, how quickly you can apply for citizenship after receiving it? What I can see from here, there is no straight answer for this. Or do I have to wait for whole 12 months after receiving/issue PR Card? Does it mean that there is a chance to apply for citizenship e.g. a week after receiving PR Card? :?:

I would be very grateful if someone could explain in simple words.

Many thanks!

Scott
The only silly questions are the ones you don't ask - and they usually catch you out later.

Yes, any EEA national (or family dependent) applying for the privilege of citizenship now has to submit a confirmation of PR card;
it is one of the mandatory requirements for naturalisation.

Having got your PR card when to shoot for citizenship depends.
If you have the joy of being married to a BC there is no need to wait; you can apply to naturalise as soon as all other requirements for citizenship have been/can be met.

If not married to a BC you have to be free from immigration time restrictions for 12 months.
That means having PR status for 12 months.
But it does not necessarily mean holding the PR card for 12 months!

For example, if you acquired PR sometime in the past (over a year ago) but only recently got round to applying for a PR card then there is no need to wait any more.
That is because the PR status is over a year old. (Only the card is new).

On the other hand, if you only just acquired PR and then got your card you will have to wait 12 months before applying to naturalise.

Apologies, I can't speak your language (& even if I could its not allowed on this Board) so I hope that still makes it all a little clearer.
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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by nataliedelmar » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:06 pm

Hi all,



I know this has been discussed here already, but I just called UKVI and the answer I received was very confusing.



Basically, what they said was that if you’ve been exercising Treaty Rights for 6+ years, once you’ve got your document, certifying permanent residence, you can apply for Naturalisation straight away. However (and this is the confusing bit), as the document proves only 5 years, you would have to (again) prove the last 6 years, or at least the 1 year before the 5 years covered by the permanent residence card.



In my case, I’ve been exercising Treaty Rights for over 9 years and we proved these 9 years when applying for a permanent card. I asked if this would be on their system, as I really don’t see a point to prove same period twice, but they said that they don’t hold this data, so I’ll need to prove it again.



Really frustrating and misleading.

Does anyone here knows anything about it at all (or have applied recently on the same terms)?



Thanks!

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by Richard W » Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:41 pm

noajthan wrote: Yes, any EEA national (or family dependent) applying for the privilege of citizenship now has to submit a confirmation of PR card; it is one of the mandatory requirements for naturalisation.
Sorry to be pedantic, but ILR is an acceptable alternative. (I believe RoA is also an alternative.) There are a few non-British EEA nationals who have indefinite leave to remain but no PR cards, and probably even some who have ILR but not permanent residence.

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by ohara » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:12 am

nataliedelmar wrote: Basically, what they said was that if you’ve been exercising Treaty Rights for 6+ years, once you’ve got your document, certifying permanent residence, you can apply for Naturalisation straight away. However (and this is the confusing bit), as the document proves only 5 years, you would have to (again) prove the last 6 years, or at least the 1 year before the 5 years covered by the permanent residence card.

In my case, I’ve been exercising Treaty Rights for over 9 years and we proved these 9 years when applying for a permanent card. I asked if this would be on their system, as I really don’t see a point to prove same period twice, but they said that they don’t hold this data, so I’ll need to prove it again.
HO telephone helpline is notoriously unreliable and unfortunately cannot be held liable for decisions made by people acting on their 'advice'

Technically you only need to exercise treaty rights for 5 years, as once you gain PR, your economic activity is immaterial afterwards. If you exercised treaty rights continuously from 2009-2014, you can apply for the DCPR and then immediately for naturalisation once you receive it. HO certainly do hold the date that they determine you acquired PR on their computer system. They also don't just guess, and will go to some lengths to make sure they get the correct date.

I've been in the UK since 1991 and exercising treaty rights since June 2007 (as a worker). I knew I only needed to show evidence of a 5 year period ending at least 12 months ago so I could apply for naturalisation immediately. I did put the details of my education on the EEA(PR) form but as I did not have comprehensive sickness insurance, I knew that period wouldn't count so I specifically wrote in the additional information section that I was applying on the basis of being a worker from 2009-2014.

My DCPR came through with no problem. I booked an NCS appointment to submit my AN form, and while I was there the adviser said she was unsure if I met the 12 months free of immigration time restrictions requirement as my DCPR issue date was 22nd January 2016 (even though I told her the issue date is irrelevant). She phoned HO through their hotline and the guy on the other end said the date they hold in their computer system for my permanent residence is June 2012. So clearly I have been free of immigration time restrictions for over 3 years :roll:

This is interesting because even though I only submitted evidence of working from 2009-2014, HO have actually investigated and noted that I began exercising treaty rights in June 2007 (when I started working) and correctly noted my PR date as 5 years from then (June 2012). I had to provide payslips for the last 4 years along with my AN form to prove that I was still resident in the UK.

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by Stefan7 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:42 pm

Hello
I think this article explains it nicely. I found it very helpful.

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/eu-nati ... lications/

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by kankerot » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:05 pm

My wife recieved ILR in 2009 and it was a stamp/ sheet in her passport. For her Naturalisation application at the NCS all they asked was to point out where it was in her passport, no other reference was made for a document confirming this.

Does this mean my wife British Citizenship application will be declined? If so then what is the point of the check and send service if they don't pick up this point?

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Post by CR001 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:11 pm

kankerot wrote:My wife recieved ILR in 2009 and it was a stamp/ sheet in her passport. For her Naturalisation application at the NCS all they asked was to point out where it was in her passport, no other reference was made for a document confirming this.

Does this mean my wife British Citizenship application will be declined? If so then what is the point of the check and send service if they don't pick up this point?
Unless either you or your spouse are EU citizens (not British), this topic/thread is not relevant to you. ILR in her passport is fine. PR is different in that it is though the EEA/EU Route.
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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by natienka » Sat May 14, 2016 11:14 am

ohara This is very helpful. What is this magical hotline that they called to find out when that PR was actually given to you? I guess I cannot call it?

I applied, and in my additional cover letter stated that I am applying for years 2010-2014, even though I've submitted selected documents from 2007 until 2016 to show continuous residence. How do I know now which date would have been marked as date of PR? It would be ideal to know before making the NCS appointment especially that I think the specialists at my local office aren't sure this is true (that you can have DCPR for less than 12 months)...

dinushka I think you should ask the questions on a different post, as this one is for EEA nationals.

If you find the relevant topic you're more likely to get a reply.

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by noajthan » Sat May 14, 2016 11:44 am

Richard W wrote:
noajthan wrote: Yes, any EEA national (or family dependent) applying for the privilege of citizenship now has to submit a confirmation of PR card; it is one of the mandatory requirements for naturalisation.
Sorry to be pedantic, but ILR is an acceptable alternative. (I believe RoA is also an alternative.) There are a few non-British EEA nationals who have indefinite leave to remain but no PR cards, and probably even some who have ILR but not permanent residence.
My statements in this topic are in context of topic which is EU migration route & regulations.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1263199
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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by noajthan » Sat May 14, 2016 11:56 am

This topic is about the recent rule change as intimated by the topic title.

It will help to keep this topic high-value if members can refrain from posting questions about UK migration route &/or general PR & EU route questions.

Simply create a new topic (in appropriate sub-forum) for such questions.
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Post by ohara » Sat May 14, 2016 4:24 pm

natienka wrote:ohara This is very helpful. What is this magical hotline that they called to find out when that PR was actually given to you? I guess I cannot call it?
No you can't. It's a regional service line for NCS which is run by UKVI. It doesn't accept public calls and as such there is no queue, they answer immediately :shock:

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Post by natienka » Sat May 14, 2016 5:00 pm

ohara wrote:
natienka wrote:ohara This is very helpful. What is this magical hotline that they called to find out when that PR was actually given to you? I guess I cannot call it?
No you can't. It's a regional service line for NCS which is run by UKVI. It doesn't accept public calls and as such there is no queue, they answer immediately :shock:
Well at least you know there and then in the appointment... but what if they say that e.g. they've deemed me as having received PR only yesterday (for example), I guess that would mean I would lose the appointment cost and have to wait for whenever those 12 months pass, and go for an appointment again?

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Post by ohara » Sat May 14, 2016 8:24 pm

natienka wrote:Well at least you know there and then in the appointment... but what if they say that e.g. they've deemed me as having received PR only yesterday (for example), I guess that would mean I would lose the appointment cost and have to wait for whenever those 12 months pass, and go for an appointment again?
Yes, and that would be unfortunate if it did happen, but on the bright side you'd be losing £60 instead of £1236.

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Re: From 12/11 PR Document Required for Citizenship Applicat

Post by michaldob » Mon May 16, 2016 8:33 am

I am not sure I am reading this correctly..

Let's say I apply for an EEA PR card on the 01/05/2016 and get the card on the 01/08/2016.
I can then apply for Naturalisation straight away given I will be able to prove that I was exercising Treaty Rights from 01/05/2010 to 01/05/2011 - "the extra year"? Is this correct?

Years 01/05/2011 - 01/05/2016 would be covered by the PR itself.

This seems to be in-line with AN-Booklet information:
"If you apply for Permanent Residence on 1st December 2015 and want to apply for
Citizenship once that application is decided, you should send evidence that shows you
were exercising Treaty rights as a qualified person or family member from 1 December
2009 to 1 December 2014."

Can someone shed some more light on this?

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