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Re: moving home

Post by dajumper » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:20 pm

pittam wrote:hi to all
can any help me what to do if you move your address after you appiled citizenship?
i applied on 29th feb 2012 waiting for the approval, iam moving on may 1st i hope i get before that. if not please tell me what to do
as iam moving to different council as well

is it ok if i call them on 1st may? but still iam worried by the time i call if they have posted allready then how :?: ?
what if i put mail redirection? some letters or not supposed to redirect. anyone knows any thing about this :!:
please help me
thank you
Why not call them a couple of days before you are due to move?

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Re: moving home

Post by Jambo » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:28 pm

pittam wrote:what if i put mail redirection? some letters or not supposed to redirect. anyone knows any thing about this :!:
The HO letters can be redirected.

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Re: moving home

Post by pittam » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:11 pm

dajumper wrote:
pittam wrote:hi to all
can any help me what to do if you move your address after you appiled citizenship?
i applied on 29th feb 2012 waiting for the approval, iam moving on may 1st i hope i get before that. if not please tell me what to do
as iam moving to different council as well

is it ok if i call them on 1st may? but still iam worried by the time i call if they have posted allready then how :?: ?
what if i put mail redirection? some letters or not supposed to redirect. anyone knows any thing about this :!:
please help me
thank you
Why not call them a couple of days before you are due to move?
thanks for your reply iam only worried moving address may delay the decision making i dont really want to tell them, but i think i have to now

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Re: moving home

Post by pittam » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:13 pm

Jambo wrote:
pittam wrote:what if i put mail redirection? some letters or not supposed to redirect. anyone knows any thing about this :!:
The HO letters can be redirected.
thank you very much i am bit relax now,

dajumper
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Re: moving home

Post by dajumper » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:04 pm

pittam wrote:
dajumper wrote:
pittam wrote:hi to all
can any help me what to do if you move your address after you appiled citizenship?
i applied on 29th feb 2012 waiting for the approval, iam moving on may 1st i hope i get before that. if not please tell me what to do
as iam moving to different council as well

is it ok if i call them on 1st may? but still iam worried by the time i call if they have posted allready then how :?: ?
what if i put mail redirection? some letters or not supposed to redirect. anyone knows any thing about this :!:
please help me
thank you
Why not call them a couple of days before you are due to move?
thanks for your reply iam only worried moving address may delay the decision making i dont really want to tell them, but i think i have to now
I hardly think a change in your address with affect the application decision.

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Post by dajumper » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:09 pm

Hi peeps

I actually sent in my AN form via NCS last week. What i want to know is if successful and approved. What kind of document will i receive to prove that i have become a British citizen? How and when is this usually given out, by post or at the ceremony?

Thanks

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Post by dajumper » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:17 pm

bubbletea wrote::cry: I sent my application via NCS early January until now I haven't receive the approval letter. I got so many things planned and need to travel abroad for couple of months but the application is holding me back.

I called last week the gentleman only told me he can see my profile on the system but didn't tell me the status, I wonder if I should call again to check otherwise it will affect my May journey.
Serves you right. You were well full aware that it may take up to 6 months for approval if not longer. That is why the NCS is the option for people who want to travel whilst waiting. Anyway, good luck!

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Post by workingmama » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:13 pm

I am a British Citizen born and bred however my husband has applied for his naturalisation and I am actually quite amazed at the way they seem to process applications, it does not appear to be in a specific order such as being dealt with from date recieved.

I also work for a government department so I am also astounded at the lack of information that applicants are able to get about where their application stands. Considering its not a free service, applicants should be able to get updates.
The timeline they give of 6 months is normally put in place to cover periods where they are inundated with applications so you know the maximum length of time that it could take during busy times.
However when I see applicants for example who applied in January like my husband, with a straighforward case not hearing anything, when applicants in Feb have already been approved, it makes me wonder if when new applications come in they just get put ontop of whatever the caseworker already has, thus the application gets left behind so to speak.

If this is so I am amazed this is allowed to happen.
I plan to contact our local MP (who I deal with anyway in my own line of work) to ask her why the application for naturalisation is so hit and miss in regards to approval times. Why do some wait months and others get passed within a month. Why cant applicants get updates and why is the information given so incorrect at times.
I understand that being able to gain British Citizenship is an honor but considering the large fee of over £800 you would think applicants had the right to a slightly better service and not feel like a pest for phoning up when they see applicants who applied way after them being approved while they still wait and they want to know if some more info is needed.

Good luck to those who have been waiting a long time, it must be very stressful.

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Post by jms_uk » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:47 pm

dajumper wrote: That is why the NCS is the option for people who want to travel whilst waiting
He/she has applied through NCS. Maybe he/she was planning travel on a basis of being British citizen [visa free etc]?

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Post by dajumper » Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:47 pm

jms_uk wrote:
dajumper wrote: That is why the NCS is the option for people who want to travel whilst waiting
He/she has applied through NCS. Maybe he/she was planning travel on a basis of being British citizen [visa free etc]?
Apologies, my bad.

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Post by joh118 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:18 am

workingmama wrote:I am a British Citizen born and bred however my husband has applied for his naturalisation and I am actually quite amazed at the way they seem to process applications, it does not appear to be in a specific order such as being dealt with from date recieved.

I also work for a government department so I am also astounded at the lack of information that applicants are able to get about where their application stands. Considering its not a free service, applicants should be able to get updates.
The timeline they give of 6 months is normally put in place to cover periods where they are inundated with applications so you know the maximum length of time that it could take during busy times.
However when I see applicants for example who applied in January like my husband, with a straighforward case not hearing anything, when applicants in Feb have already been approved, it makes me wonder if when new applications come in they just get put ontop of whatever the caseworker already has, thus the application gets left behind so to speak.

If this is so I am amazed this is allowed to happen.
I plan to contact our local MP (who I deal with anyway in my own line of work) to ask her why the application for naturalisation is so hit and miss in regards to approval times. Why do some wait months and others get passed within a month. Why cant applicants get updates and why is the information given so incorrect at times.
I understand that being able to gain British Citizenship is an honor but considering the large fee of over £800 you would think applicants had the right to a slightly better service and not feel like a pest for phoning up when they see applicants who applied way after them being approved while they still wait and they want to know if some more info is needed.

Good luck to those who have been waiting a long time, it must be very stressful.
I agree with you on that the applicants deserve to know what is going on with their applications.

However, I believe the reason for the varying of wait times and the general mess that is UKBA is down to lack of staff to deal with all the applications.

If we take the applications made last year (2011) which was 205,210. And since 6 days in the week are 'post days', if we estimate that there are 312 (6 days x 52 weeks) of these post days, then on average the UKBA receive around 658 applications per day (205,210/312).

This is a staggering amount by any means and I am sure that they are understaffed. As a result, the sole reason why applications that are similar are being dealt with on a different time scale could be quite simply that officers are putting case files in different orders in a pile!

I think that for the amount that the applicants are paying, it is very bad value for money (service wise), and requires immediate investigation. Although being granted citizenship is a honour not a right, it is a right for the applicant for his/her application to be treated in a transparent, fair, timely manner.

I think we will all be really grateful if you could share with us your MP's response. Thanks.

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Post by workingmama » Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:51 am

I agree about probable understaffing, however I fail to see why that would affect things being done in date order.
Take for example the department I work in which at times is terribly understaffed due to cut backs etc. Anything new in gets browsed through for something urgent that has to be dealt with straight away and the rest goes under the pile that is already there so each case file gets dealt with in the order it arrived.

The lack of available info also concerns me. We often take calls for other departments within our organisation and are able to access what has been done so far on a case via the computer system. Generally if a department has a backlog they will tell us that its currently taking up to 12 weeks to process something but at the same time we can see how far along it is and we give that info no matter how many times a person calls.
Sometimes by a person calling we can see something is stuck in the system or has been forgotten and we flag that up to the department dealing with it. I wish UKBA was like this also.

I think since going through this with my own husband who has only been waiting just over 3 months, I have seen a pattern that cases are processed up to a certain point which seems to be when the next monthly batch starts to come in and then those prior to that month end up waiting a very long time. That to me appears to mean cases get put on top of old cases which is wrong as it could be months until they reach the case again. Maybe I am wrong but when I mentioned this to my own manager she seemed to think the same as me especially if those that waited months were not asked for any further information.

I will definatly share the MP's response. I know from my own line of work when an MP enquiry comes in everyone right up to management starts flapping.

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Post by Bluto » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:59 am

Workingmama, I would appreciate if you raise this issue with MP.

I would like to bring another issue here as well which some people have faced in past. UKBA does not update applicants about their application status before 6 months, when someone calls before 6 months they are not entertained. There are few cases when applicants called after 6 months to enquire about their application, they were told that their application was approved 4 months ago and letter was sent to old address by mistake (or letter was lost in post). Point is if UKBA doesn't update applicant before 6 months then how are they going to know that letter has been sent by home office. It would be best if UKBA drops any email or sms to applicant that they have sent a letter, if applicant doesn't receive letter at least he/she can let UKBA know.

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Post by joh118 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:04 pm

I wonder if ordering a SAR file from UKBA whilst your naturalisation application is being considered will give any insights on their methods....

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Post by jms_uk » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:28 pm

joh118 wrote:I wonder if ordering a SAR file from UKBA whilst your naturalisation application is being considered will give any insights on their methods....
You'd probably get it after naturalisation decision :lol:

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Post by elliass » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:55 pm

jms_uk wrote:
joh118 wrote:I wonder if ordering a SAR file from UKBA whilst your naturalisation application is being considered will give any insights on their methods....
You'd probably get it after naturalisation decision :lol:

I submited my application 3 months and a few days a go for BC via NCS.
which means in Jan/2012; till now I have not received my approval yet . I called UKBA and what I heard only it is in the process nothing else at all.

Desipte, many people they submitted there applications after me (1 month or even 1.5 month) and they got their approval letters.

NCS told me that my application is straightforward application and usually UKBA gives periority to applications checked and sent via NCS!

I am wondering if my application is straighforward and still not finished yet ..how if it is not straightforward hom many months more I should wait :( :( :(

I noticed that the people who sent their applications by postal is much quicker and faster process than who sent via NCS.

After this I don't recommend any one else to use NCS, it is better to use postal and save your money and your time guys! :( :( :( :( :( :(

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Post by jms_uk » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:25 pm

elliass wrote:After this I don't recommend any one else to use NCS, it is better to use postal and save your money and your time guys! :( :( :( :( :( :(
Main benefit of going NCS route is that you get to keep your passport.

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Post by Bluto » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:36 pm

Elliass, I doubt postal applications are fast. No one knows why some people get approval within 4 to 6 weeks and takes longer for some. May be it depends on original nationality? I applied by post in first week of Feb and still waiting ...

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Post by kingcedz » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:14 pm

my wife applied end of January and still waiting for apporval letter. The only letter we received so far is one from HO saying the fees has been taken, is this the acknowledgement letter? or there should been another acknowledgement letter but we never received?

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Post by elliass » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:23 pm

kingcedz wrote:my wife applied end of January and still waiting for apporval letter. The only letter we received so far is one from HO saying the fees has been taken, is this the acknowledgement letter? or there should been another acknowledgement letter but we never received?
This is the only acknowledgement letter you received; the next letter should be your approval!

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