NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

anyone with success story with PBS as proof of english?

Hi

Hi, Me and My wife both are on ILR , we were on Tier1 Applicant visa before ILR , Initially When I applied for Tier1 , I supported my degree certificate with letter from university for english language requirement . Now I'm planning for applying for BC and while looking at the latest application form (Form AN), I'm bit confused which option to select now under English language requirement and also for my wife who also has a letter from university stating her medium of instruction as English and her university is recognised by PBS calculator. Can anyone help me in choosing the correct option in the form , what option to select for me and my wife under this category.I'm mentioning the options available in the application form(Form AN).

1. I have a speaking and listening qualification in English at B1 CEFR or higher , or an equivalent level Qualification

OR

2. I have obtained an academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelors degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and :
(i) UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or researched in English;or
(ii) the qualification was taught or reasrched in the UK or a majority English speaking country(other than Canada); OR

3.I am a national of a majority English speaking country ;

OR

4.I met the knowledge of language and life requirement to qualify for settlement on or after 28th October 2013;

Thanks in advance

So far by contacting NARIC (phone), HomeOffice (mail) and NCS (phone) I can confirm that

1. If someone intends apply for naturailsation have NARIC stating the statements of comparability and IELTS (no test validity required, it could be more than 5 years), does not need to do UK NARIC English language assessment. That is required for new Tier 1 and Tier 2 applications. [This is my case]

2. If one's degree is Bachelor/Masters/PhD in UK, he/she does not need any UK NARIC assessment. [This is my wife's case]

3. But off course in any case, if you have to pass the Life in the UK

I must admit that the AN form is very confusing. At least in the List of Language test they could mention that IELTS test validity is not required for settlement and naturalisation application. I have to mail/phone them to confirm this.

And also 'deemed by' word is also confusing.

Thanks
Khaled

Could some one please confirm what is the option selected in point based calculator ? is it Tier1 ? am bit confused as my application is AN.

If i select Tier 1 and proceeds further, point based calculator recognizes my bachelors degree and awards 30 points for my education and awards for 10 points.

Tier 1 requires higher qualification (C1 CEFR). But for peace of mind you can try all options.

Don't you have NARIC for the statement of comparability?

abkhaled wrote:use Tier 2, because Tier 1 requires higher qualification (C1 CEFR).

Don't you have NARIC for the statement of comparability?

There is no issue with Tier 1, as it recognizes my degree even if i select Tier 1. I dont have NARIC statement of comparability, we dont need any statement from NARIC if our degree is recognized in point based calculator and awards 10 points.

the only confusion that i have is, points based calculator doesnt have any Naturalisation option, it only has Tier1, Tier2 , Tier4 and Tier5.

Thanks.

dec03ec wrote:
the only confusion that i have is, points based calculator doesnt have any Naturalisation option, it only has Tier1, Tier2 , Tier4 and Tier5.

If you get points for Tier 1, you will meet others offcourse. You can only print and use Tier 1 point results for naturalisation. Contact Local NCS service.

abkhaled wrote:

dec03ec wrote:
the only confusion that i have is, points based calculator doesnt have any Naturalisation option, it only has Tier1, Tier2 , Tier4 and Tier5.

If you get points for Tier 1, you will meet others offcourse. You can only print and use Tier 1 point results for naturalisation. Contact Local NCS service.

Thanks. Hope thats what every one is doing here (Tier 1/2 point based calculator report )

While I was on Work Permit, I had visa extensions.

I have 2 letters from UKBA (one dated 03 Nov 2010 and one dated 25 Jul 2012) states that I was awarded 10 points for English Language.

Do I still need additional documents / proofs ?

Thanks

hi all,

Myself and my wife applied for BC in 2nd week of january. today we got a letter from ukba saying that they need uk naric letters. we sent our application through ncs crawley. Our both degrees are recognised by Point based calculator and we submitted the proof as they asked. I don't know why they are asking for the naric letters. I have emailed them with regard to this query. but before that do any one know the ukba number i can call and ask for the same. And do someone experienced the same problem....thank you....

here is the link

https://www.gov.uk/english-language

thank you

Dear all,
Thanks for sharing some useful information regarding BC application.
My expereince today is different and below is the whole story

Today I had my NCS appointment in Beaconsfield council. I carried all the documents as stated in UKBA homeoffice and they started chekcing the application. When she checked for English language and Life in UK section i.e 1.22 of Form AN, she asked for the proof for English knowledge.
When I booked the appointment for NCS, the person I spoke to mentioned that I need to have either one of the below to prove the English knowledge.
1. Letter from UK NARIC
2. Pass English exam with B1 grade
3. Degree recognised by UKBA online calculator with the points i.e 10 points.
I carried the print out of the on-line calculator for the proof for English knowledge. When she asked for the English langugage proof I gave her that printout and explained her about the conversation I had when I booked the appointment. As she was not sure, she called UKBA to check if online calculator assessment is accepted. It was no and I heard something new about 30 points. She told BC applicants should have 30 points for English knowledge but my degrees (Bachelor's degree and Master degree) dont have 30 points (as per the online calculator both degrees has 10 points each in total 20 points) hence I need to take English exam or letter from UK NARIC stating my qaulifications meet the English knowledge requirement as per the UKBA rules. Does anyone know about the 30 points requirement for English language? If so, can any one brief about this 30 points requirement for English language? I haven't seen anything about 30 points requirement for BC in UKBA website.
Appreicate your resposne and guidance on how to proceed with my applciation.

Cheers,
Diw

diwakar21 wrote:Dear all,
Thanks for sharing some useful information regarding BC application.
My expereince today is different and below is the whole story

Today I had my NCS appointment in Beaconsfield council. I carried all the documents as stated in UKBA homeoffice and they started chekcing the application. When she checked for English language and Life in UK section i.e 1.22 of Form AN, she asked for the proof for English knowledge.
When I booked the appointment for NCS, the person I spoke to mentioned that I need to have either one of the below to prove the English knowledge.
1. Letter from UK NARIC
2. Pass English exam with B1 grade
3. Degree recognised by UKBA online calculator with the points i.e 10 points.
I carried the print out of the on-line calculator for the proof for English knowledge. When she asked for the English langugage proof I gave her that printout and explained her about the conversation I had when I booked the appointment. As she was not sure, she called UKBA to check if online calculator assessment is accepted. It was no and I heard something new about 30 points. She told BC applicants should have 30 points for English knowledge but my degrees (Bachelor's degree and Master degree) dont have 30 points (as per the online calculator both degrees has 10 points each in total 20 points) hence I need to take English exam or letter from UK NARIC stating my qaulifications meet the English knowledge requirement as per the UKBA rules. Does anyone know about the 30 points requirement for English language? If so, can any one brief about this 30 points requirement for English language? I haven't seen anything about 30 points requirement for BC in UKBA website.
Appreicate your resposne and guidance on how to proceed with my applciation.

Cheers,
Diw

This is really interesting. I spoke to my local NCS this morning and they said that, as far as the degree is recognised in the UKBA PBS calculator, then we don't need a NARIC Certificate. Just a print out of the PBS calculator along with the degree certificate would suffice.

diwakar...

first of all, why should you give something which is not in the guideline or in the UKBA website...when they said......you should have asked where is it said........I too got the same issue but not that they didn't accept it ...they are saying NCS might missed out the PBS document. So I am sending the documents again directly to Home office.

Hi Vinu,
Thanks for your resposne.
Are you asking about Online calculator assessment? If so, that was advised by NCS staff only.

I did questioned her but no satisfactory answer as she was also not sure about that .
She called Home office in front of me and explained about online calculator assessment prinout but some one from other side told about this 30 points to her and she passed that information to me. NCS staff also dont know much about 30 points .
Whe I told her this is something new and need some clarification, she told me to contact UKBA directly but again when asked for the contact number she pointed me to UKBA website.
I presume you are submitting your application with English langugage requirement of 10 points as recognised by UKBA online calcualtor?
Good luck with your application.

Regards,
Diw

The PBS calculator should give you more than 20 points for your degree in education and 10 points in English language requirement. I think the 20 points is to show that the degree is comparable to UK degree and 10 points to say that the degree was taught in English.

Hi Aruni,
Thanks for your response. But online calculator does not show any points awarded for the qualification. It just shows 10 points awarded for the English Language. I can also see this "You appear to have enough points to apply for permission to stay in the UK (known as 'leave to remain') under the skilled worker category of tier 2." in online calulator assessment.

Regards,
Diw

NARIC certification is NOT required if you are getting 10 points for english language on the Points Calculator... Doesn't matter what option you select (Tier1 or Tier2). As long as your degree is seen on that list, it is deems by NARIC as its a list maintained by Naric.

So take a Printout showing the 10 points allocated by the points calculator and also provide the Degree certificate that entitles you 10 points. More than enough for proving english language requirement.

Check the education under attributes. If you get at least 20 points in there, you are good to go. Please be aware that it is not enough for the degree to be in the list, it should actually give you at least 20 points for education attribute and 10 for English language requirement.

Hi Aruni,
Thank you very much for your input. I now can see 35 points awarded for my degree and 10 points for English. Actually I was wrong in entering details in online calulator. I got it correct and now I am good to go
Thanks again for your help.

Regards,
Diw

Hi All,
This is rule (V) taken from Koll appendix

v) the applicant has obtained an academic qualification (not a professional or vocational qualification) which is deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor's or Master's degree or PhD in the UK, and provides the specified evidence to show:
(1) he has the qualification, and
(2) that the qualification was taught or researched in English;

I already deemed my Master degree from UK NARIC so if only produce my English certificate from Uni. Is it enough to meet the English language requirement? Or still I required to take confirmation from the UK NARIC about the English Language ?
Please guide me on this.

Thanks

Life in UK and your Original Degree Certificate is sufficient ...

As long as your degree is seen on the points calculator its fine ... you DONT need anything from NARIC ... dont waste your money !

aruni4470 wrote:Check the education under attributes. If you get at least 20 points in there, you are good to go. Please be aware that it is not enough for the degree to be in the list, it should actually give you at least 20 points for education attribute and 10 for English language requirement.

Hi Aruni,

I seem to be a bit lost here. Would you be able to guide me please. I am using the following link for points-based calculator: https://www.points.homeoffice.gov.uk/gu ... ment.faces
Unless I am doing something wrong or missing a step, I am not able to see the 20 points for my degree. Is there another link that I am possibly unaware of. How do I get to see the attributes under education please. I would be grateful for your reply. Thanks in anticipation.

Try and use the points based calculator as a tier 1 applicant.

Below is the link to the pdf http://www.sendspace.com/file/kvkuyc

Hi Aruni,

Just another question please. I am planning to apply for my ILR as a Tier 2 (General) applicant with my wife as PBS Dependant. The "Who can use the points-based calculator" page on the points-based calculator link is not clear as to whether PBS dependants can use that or not. Can we still use that to demonstrate to UKVI that my wife's qualification is up to the mark? I would be grateful for your reply.

Regards,

Jai

Hi Jai,

We are just trying to check if the degree is being recognised and gives the required points. Using it as a tier 1 applicant should not be a problem. If you use it as a tier 2 applicant, you will not be able to see if you get atleast 20 points for education. Your wife should be able to use it as well.

All the best ..