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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by pkumar » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:12 pm

anyone with success story with PBS as proof of english?

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by srrao » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:29 pm

Hi

Hi, Me and My wife both are on ILR , we were on Tier1 Applicant visa before ILR , Initially When I applied for Tier1 , I supported my degree certificate with letter from university for english language requirement . Now I'm planning for applying for BC and while looking at the latest application form (Form AN), I'm bit confused which option to select now under English language requirement and also for my wife who also has a letter from university stating her medium of instruction as English and her university is recognised by PBS calculator. Can anyone help me in choosing the correct option in the form , what option to select for me and my wife under this category.I'm mentioning the options available in the application form(Form AN).

1. I have a speaking and listening qualification in English at B1 CEFR or higher , or an equivalent level Qualification

OR

2. I have obtained an academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelors degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and :
(i) UK NARIC has confirmed that the qualification was taught or researched in English;or
(ii) the qualification was taught or reasrched in the UK or a majority English speaking country(other than Canada); OR

3.I am a national of a majority English speaking country ;

OR

4.I met the knowledge of language and life requirement to qualify for settlement on or after 28th October 2013;

Thanks in advance

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by abkhaled » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:15 am

So far by contacting NARIC (phone), HomeOffice (mail) and NCS (phone) I can confirm that

1. If someone intends apply for naturailsation have NARIC stating the statements of comparability and IELTS (no test validity required, it could be more than 5 years), does not need to do UK NARIC English language assessment. That is required for new Tier 1 and Tier 2 applications. [This is my case]

2. If one's degree is Bachelor/Masters/PhD in UK, he/she does not need any UK NARIC assessment. [This is my wife's case]

3. But off course in any case, if you have to pass the Life in the UK

I must admit that the AN form is very confusing. At least in the List of Language test they could mention that IELTS test validity is not required for settlement and naturalisation application. I have to mail/phone them to confirm this.

And also 'deemed by' word is also confusing.

Thanks
Khaled

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by dec03ec » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:41 am

Could some one please confirm what is the option selected in point based calculator ? is it Tier1 ? am bit confused as my application is AN.

If i select Tier 1 and proceeds further, point based calculator recognizes my bachelors degree and awards 30 points for my education and awards for 10 points.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by abkhaled » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:28 pm

Tier 1 requires higher qualification (C1 CEFR). But for peace of mind you can try all options.

Don't you have NARIC for the statement of comparability?
Last edited by abkhaled on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by dec03ec » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:31 pm

abkhaled wrote:use Tier 2, because Tier 1 requires higher qualification (C1 CEFR).

Don't you have NARIC for the statement of comparability?
There is no issue with Tier 1, as it recognizes my degree even if i select Tier 1. I dont have NARIC statement of comparability, we dont need any statement from NARIC if our degree is recognized in point based calculator and awards 10 points.

the only confusion that i have is, points based calculator doesnt have any Naturalisation option, it only has Tier1, Tier2 , Tier4 and Tier5.

Thanks.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by abkhaled » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:36 pm

dec03ec wrote:
the only confusion that i have is, points based calculator doesnt have any Naturalisation option, it only has Tier1, Tier2 , Tier4 and Tier5.
If you get points for Tier 1, you will meet others offcourse. You can only print and use Tier 1 point results for naturalisation. Contact Local NCS service.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by dec03ec » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:40 pm

abkhaled wrote:
dec03ec wrote:
the only confusion that i have is, points based calculator doesnt have any Naturalisation option, it only has Tier1, Tier2 , Tier4 and Tier5.
If you get points for Tier 1, you will meet others offcourse. You can only print and use Tier 1 point results for naturalisation. Contact Local NCS service.
Thanks. Hope thats what every one is doing here (Tier 1/2 point based calculator report )

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by Kaym » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:49 pm

While I was on Work Permit, I had visa extensions.

I have 2 letters from UKBA (one dated 03 Nov 2010 and one dated 25 Jul 2012) states that I was awarded 10 points for English Language.

Do I still need additional documents / proofs ?

Thanks

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by Vinu karthik » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:30 pm

hi all,

Myself and my wife applied for BC in 2nd week of january. today we got a letter from ukba saying that they need uk naric letters. we sent our application through ncs crawley. Our both degrees are recognised by Point based calculator and we submitted the proof as they asked. I don't know why they are asking for the naric letters. I have emailed them with regard to this query. but before that do any one know the ukba number i can call and ask for the same. And do someone experienced the same problem....thank you....

here is the link

https://www.gov.uk/english-language

thank you

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by diwakar21 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:30 pm

Dear all,
Thanks for sharing some useful information regarding BC application.
My expereince today is different and below is the whole story

Today I had my NCS appointment in Beaconsfield council. I carried all the documents as stated in UKBA homeoffice and they started chekcing the application. When she checked for English language and Life in UK section i.e 1.22 of Form AN, she asked for the proof for English knowledge.
When I booked the appointment for NCS, the person I spoke to mentioned that I need to have either one of the below to prove the English knowledge.
1. Letter from UK NARIC
2. Pass English exam with B1 grade
3. Degree recognised by UKBA online calculator with the points i.e 10 points.
I carried the print out of the on-line calculator for the proof for English knowledge. When she asked for the English langugage proof I gave her that printout and explained her about the conversation I had when I booked the appointment. As she was not sure, she called UKBA to check if online calculator assessment is accepted. It was no and I heard something new about 30 points. She told BC applicants should have 30 points for English knowledge but my degrees (Bachelor's degree and Master degree) dont have 30 points (as per the online calculator both degrees has 10 points each in total 20 points) hence I need to take English exam or letter from UK NARIC stating my qaulifications meet the English knowledge requirement as per the UKBA rules. Does anyone know about the 30 points requirement for English language? If so, can any one brief about this 30 points requirement for English language? I haven't seen anything about 30 points requirement for BC in UKBA website.
Appreicate your resposne and guidance on how to proceed with my applciation.

Cheers,
Diw

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by newbie_t » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:11 pm

diwakar21 wrote:Dear all,
Thanks for sharing some useful information regarding BC application.
My expereince today is different and below is the whole story

Today I had my NCS appointment in Beaconsfield council. I carried all the documents as stated in UKBA homeoffice and they started chekcing the application. When she checked for English language and Life in UK section i.e 1.22 of Form AN, she asked for the proof for English knowledge.
When I booked the appointment for NCS, the person I spoke to mentioned that I need to have either one of the below to prove the English knowledge.
1. Letter from UK NARIC
2. Pass English exam with B1 grade
3. Degree recognised by UKBA online calculator with the points i.e 10 points.
I carried the print out of the on-line calculator for the proof for English knowledge. When she asked for the English langugage proof I gave her that printout and explained her about the conversation I had when I booked the appointment. As she was not sure, she called UKBA to check if online calculator assessment is accepted. It was no and I heard something new about 30 points. She told BC applicants should have 30 points for English knowledge but my degrees (Bachelor's degree and Master degree) dont have 30 points (as per the online calculator both degrees has 10 points each in total 20 points) hence I need to take English exam or letter from UK NARIC stating my qaulifications meet the English knowledge requirement as per the UKBA rules. Does anyone know about the 30 points requirement for English language? If so, can any one brief about this 30 points requirement for English language? I haven't seen anything about 30 points requirement for BC in UKBA website.
Appreicate your resposne and guidance on how to proceed with my applciation.

Cheers,
Diw
This is really interesting. I spoke to my local NCS this morning and they said that, as far as the degree is recognised in the UKBA PBS calculator, then we don't need a NARIC Certificate. Just a print out of the PBS calculator along with the degree certificate would suffice.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by Vinu karthik » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:16 pm

diwakar...

first of all, why should you give something which is not in the guideline or in the UKBA website...when they said......you should have asked where is it said........I too got the same issue but not that they didn't accept it ...they are saying NCS might missed out the PBS document. So I am sending the documents again directly to Home office.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by diwakar21 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:55 pm

Hi Vinu,
Thanks for your resposne.
Are you asking about Online calculator assessment? If so, that was advised by NCS staff only.

I did questioned her but no satisfactory answer as she was also not sure about that :(.
She called Home office in front of me and explained about online calculator assessment prinout but some one from other side told about this 30 points to her and she passed that information to me. NCS staff also dont know much about 30 points :(.
Whe I told her this is something new and need some clarification, she told me to contact UKBA directly but again when asked for the contact number she pointed me to UKBA website.
I presume you are submitting your application with English langugage requirement of 10 points as recognised by UKBA online calcualtor?
Good luck with your application.

Regards,
Diw

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by aruni4470 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:58 pm

The PBS calculator should give you more than 20 points for your degree in education and 10 points in English language requirement. I think the 20 points is to show that the degree is comparable to UK degree and 10 points to say that the degree was taught in English.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by diwakar21 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:03 pm

Hi Aruni,
Thanks for your response. But online calculator does not show any points awarded for the qualification. It just shows 10 points awarded for the English Language. I can also see this "You appear to have enough points to apply for permission to stay in the UK (known as 'leave to remain') under the skilled worker category of tier 2." in online calulator assessment.

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Diw

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by sameeer » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:03 pm

NARIC certification is NOT required if you are getting 10 points for english language on the Points Calculator... Doesn't matter what option you select (Tier1 or Tier2). As long as your degree is seen on that list, it is deems by NARIC as its a list maintained by Naric.

So take a Printout showing the 10 points allocated by the points calculator and also provide the Degree certificate that entitles you 10 points. More than enough for proving english language requirement.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by aruni4470 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:49 pm

Check the education under attributes. If you get at least 20 points in there, you are good to go. Please be aware that it is not enough for the degree to be in the list, it should actually give you at least 20 points for education attribute and 10 for English language requirement.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by diwakar21 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:43 am

Hi Aruni,
Thank you very much for your input. I now can see 35 points awarded for my degree and 10 points for English. Actually I was wrong in entering details in online calulator. I got it correct and now I am good to go :)
Thanks again for your help.

Regards,
Diw

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by ranadawood » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:43 am

Hi All,
This is rule (V) taken from Koll appendix

v) the applicant has obtained an academic qualification (not a professional or vocational qualification) which is deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor's or Master's degree or PhD in the UK, and provides the specified evidence to show:
(1) he has the qualification, and
(2) that the qualification was taught or researched in English;

I already deemed my Master degree from UK NARIC so if only produce my English certificate from Uni. Is it enough to meet the English language requirement? Or still I required to take confirmation from the UK NARIC about the English Language ?
Please guide me on this.

Thanks

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