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NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by tier_2_applicant » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:27 am

Hi,

I wrote a mail to HO to check if NARIC certificate is required even if PBS recognises the degree.

I am pasting the response below as I think it will be useful for many of us:

_______________________________________________________________

The points based calculator contains information about degrees that is regularly updated by UK NARIC, therefore applicants who obtained a degree overseas and who were awarded ten points for their level of English can submit evidence from the online points-based calculator, and provide the original certification of that degree, to demonstrate that they can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK requirement. They will however still need to pass the Life in the UK test.

Applicants are awarded points for English when the calculator confirms that their degree:
∙ meets or exceeds the equivalent level to UK Bachelors degree; and
∙ was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level B1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).

It should be noted that the calculator will award points where a Tier 2 migrant has reached B1 level English (CEFR), whilst Tier 1 (General) migrants require the higher C1 level of English (CEFR). If a Tier 1 applicant’s degree is not recognised by the calculator as being at level C1, it will not award any points for English language assessment, even though the degree may be at the required level B1 (CEFR) for settlement or British citizenship applications.

Some applicant may be unable to find details of their qualification on the points based calculator, therefore UK NARIC will not be able to verify whether their qualification satisfies the English language requirement. In these circumstances, they should either present an alternative qualification from the points based calculator if they possess one, or select an alternative means of satisfying the English language requirement, such as an ESOL qualification.
It is important to note that UK NARIC are unable:
• to provide Statements of Comparability (SoC) or English language assessments (ELAs) for UK qualifications;
• to provide ELAs for degrees that are comparable to UK Master’s or PhD degrees;
• to comment on levels lower than CEFR C1 if their data says the degree’s level of English does not meet C1, or
• to combine an ELA with an SoC;
_______________________________________________________________

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Post by sreblog » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:08 pm

Really useful , are you just taking print of online PBS result as a proof ?

Thanks

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Post by jsamad » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:10 pm

Great, Thanks for sharing the info. I hope we dont need to get a letter from the university to say the degree was thought in english? do you think we still need that?

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Post by tier_2_applicant » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:25 pm

To be on the safe side I will take my degree, print out of PBS calculator and letter from university confirming that the course was taught in English.
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Post by sharjeelpk » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:03 pm

Hi, Me and My wife both are on ILR , she was on spouse of Tier1 Applicant visa before ILR , I can understand that if I produce the PBS calculator points and a letter from University should be enough for me as UKBA has been awarding me 35 points for my degree from the very first day. My question is as My wife got same degree , same course , same university and same year (we both were class fellows), Are these documents (I will get her letter from uni as well ) work for her naturalization as well or she have to do those stupid English courses.

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by Rajuk09 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:04 pm

tier_2_applicant wrote:Hi,

I wrote a mail to HO to check if NARIC certificate is required even if PBS recognises the degree.

I am pasting the response below as I think it will be useful for many of us:

_______________________________________________________________

The points based calculator contains information about degrees that is regularly updated by UK NARIC, therefore applicants who obtained a degree overseas and who were awarded ten points for their level of English can submit evidence from the online points-based calculator, and provide the original certification of that degree, to demonstrate that they can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK requirement. They will however still need to pass the Life in the UK test.

Applicants are awarded points for English when the calculator confirms that their degree:
∙ meets or exceeds the equivalent level to UK Bachelors degree; and
∙ was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level B1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).

It should be noted that the calculator will award points where a Tier 2 migrant has reached B1 level English (CEFR), whilst Tier 1 (General) migrants require the higher C1 level of English (CEFR). If a Tier 1 applicant’s degree is not recognised by the calculator as being at level C1, it will not award any points for English language assessment, even though the degree may be at the required level B1 (CEFR) for settlement or British citizenship applications.

Some applicant may be unable to find details of their qualification on the points based calculator, therefore UK NARIC will not be able to verify whether their qualification satisfies the English language requirement. In these circumstances, they should either present an alternative qualification from the points based calculator if they possess one, or select an alternative means of satisfying the English language requirement, such as an ESOL qualification.
It is important to note that UK NARIC are unable:
• to provide Statements of Comparability (SoC) or English language assessments (ELAs) for UK qualifications;
• to provide ELAs for degrees that are comparable to UK Master’s or PhD degrees;
• to comment on levels lower than CEFR C1 if their data says the degree’s level of English does not meet C1, or
• to combine an ELA with an SoC;
_______________________________________________________________
Could you please paste the Email you sent and received from HO ? will help us to understand in details. Gurus .... so is this end of confusion on Language requirement atleast for Tier1s , Tier 2 , Work permits , HSMPs ?

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by bcan13 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:56 pm

tier_2_applicant wrote:Hi,

I wrote a mail to HO to check if NARIC certificate is required even if PBS recognises the degree.

I am pasting the response below as I think it will be useful for many of us:

_______________________________________________________________

The points based calculator contains information about degrees that is regularly updated by UK NARIC, therefore applicants who obtained a degree overseas and who were awarded ten points for their level of English can submit evidence from the online points-based calculator, and provide the original certification of that degree, to demonstrate that they can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK requirement. They will however still need to pass the Life in the UK test.

Applicants are awarded points for English when the calculator confirms that their degree:
∙ meets or exceeds the equivalent level to UK Bachelors degree; and
∙ was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level B1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).

It should be noted that the calculator will award points where a Tier 2 migrant has reached B1 level English (CEFR), whilst Tier 1 (General) migrants require the higher C1 level of English (CEFR). If a Tier 1 applicant’s degree is not recognised by the calculator as being at level C1, it will not award any points for English language assessment, even though the degree may be at the required level B1 (CEFR) for settlement or British citizenship applications.

Some applicant may be unable to find details of their qualification on the points based calculator, therefore UK NARIC will not be able to verify whether their qualification satisfies the English language requirement. In these circumstances, they should either present an alternative qualification from the points based calculator if they possess one, or select an alternative means of satisfying the English language requirement, such as an ESOL qualification.
It is important to note that UK NARIC are unable:
• to provide Statements of Comparability (SoC) or English language assessments (ELAs) for UK qualifications;
• to provide ELAs for degrees that are comparable to UK Master’s or PhD degrees;
• to comment on levels lower than CEFR C1 if their data says the degree’s level of English does not meet C1, or
• to combine an ELA with an SoC;
_______________________________________________________________

This is just what we have been looking for. Great work guys! Is it possible to get the email from you? If I give you my email could you please forward it to me?
Many thanks

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Re: NARIC certificate not required if PBS recognises degree

Post by Jhumbo » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:04 pm

[quote="tier_2_applicant"]Hi,

I wrote a mail to HO to check if NARIC certificate is required even if PBS recognises the degree.

I am pasting the response below as I think it will be useful for many of us:

_______________________________________________________________

The points based calculator contains information about degrees that is regularly updated by UK NARIC, therefore applicants who obtained a degree overseas and who were awarded ten points for their level of English can submit evidence from the online points-based calculator, and provide the original certification of that degree, to demonstrate that they can satisfy the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK requirement. They will however still need to pass the Life in the UK test.

Applicants are awarded points for English when the calculator confirms that their degree:
∙ meets or exceeds the equivalent level to UK Bachelors degree; and
∙ was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level B1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).

It should be noted that the calculator will award points where a Tier 2 migrant has reached B1 level English (CEFR), whilst Tier 1 (General) migrants require the higher C1 level of English (CEFR). If a Tier 1 applicant’s degree is not recognised by the calculator as being at level C1, it will not award any points for English language assessment, even though the degree may be at the required level B1 (CEFR) for settlement or British citizenship applications.

Some applicant may be unable to find details of their qualification on the points based calculator, therefore UK NARIC will not be able to verify whether their qualification satisfies the English language requirement. In these circumstances, they should either present an alternative qualification from the points based calculator if they possess one, or select an alternative means of satisfying the English language requirement, such as an ESOL qualification.
It is important to note that UK NARIC are unable:
• to provide Statements of Comparability (SoC) or English language assessments (ELAs) for UK qualifications;
• to provide ELAs for degrees that are comparable to UK Master’s or PhD degrees;
• to comment on levels lower than CEFR C1 if their data says the degree’s level of English does not meet C1, or
• to combine an ELA with an SoC;
_______________________________________________________________[/quote]
Hi,

I got below response from HO having asked similar question:

Dear Sir,



Provided an applicant had been awarded 10 points on the points showing that their English language skill is at level B1 (CEFR) for their degree, they can submit a screen print of the calculator, together with the original degree certificate, as evidence to demonstrate that they have met the English language element of the KOLL requirement. They will also need to submit evidence that they have passed the Life in the UK test.



I trust this answers your question.



Regards

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Post by bcan13 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:08 pm

Awesome! This is getting better and better.

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Post by ken218 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:38 am

Wonder if NCS got the same info...

I don't want to go in with the print out and my degree cert, and they refuse to process my case.

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Post by Rajuk09 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:37 am

Hi Jhumbo, Just wanted to confirm m, in your email , did you mention it is for Naturalisation ? Wondering if HO understood your question for the right category ?
Raj

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Post by Jhumbo » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:26 pm

Rajuk09 wrote:Hi Jhumbo, Just wanted to confirm m, in your email , did you mention it is for Naturalisation ? Wondering if HO understood your question for the right category ?
Raj
Hi,

Yes I did mention it was for BC.
I have today received below follow up email from HO:


Dear Sir,

Thank you for your enquiry.

The points based calculator contains information about degrees that is regularly updated by UK NARIC, therefore applicants who obtained a degree overseas, for which the online points calculator has awarded ten points for English language skill, can submit evidence from the calculator, together with the original certification of that degree, to demonstrate that they have met the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK requirement. They will however still need to pass the Life in the UK test.

Applicants are awarded points for English when the calculator confirms that their degree:

∙ meets or exceeds the equivalent level to UK Bachelors degree; and

∙ was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level B1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).

I trust this answers your question.



Regards

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Post by lizrich002 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:44 pm

Hi Jhumbo

Which email address did you send your enquiry to?

Thanks

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Post by Adojay » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:03 pm

That's great news I must say.

I wonder why HO have yet to publish this information on their websites. This will help lots of us avoid this money-wasting venture of using UK NARIC to confirm our English language proficiency. Surely if it was their websites, I would have had that as proof to the NCS guys that I did not require UK NARIC verification. Now I have now begun English Language Assessment with UK NARIC, costing me £55 and having lost £83 of my booking with NCS Manchester.

Still good news though. I wish this would be published on their websites for the sake of people without access to this forum.
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Post by Rajuk09 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Still did not see any serniors or gurus reacting to this news ???? What we all talk here making any sense Gurus ?

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Post by ken218 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:04 am

It is still the early stage of the new rule being applied, so no one knows exactly what is going on. I got the feeling there might even be different standards between case workers.

It looks more and more like I will just get the English test over and done with. Sigh...

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Post by Rajuk09 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:21 am

OP can you please share the email id to which you sent ? so that every one send asking with the same question , they might change this rule in their website ? may be ? please do share

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Post by Rajuk09 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:47 pm

Jhumbo wrote:
Rajuk09 wrote:Hi Jhumbo, Just wanted to confirm m, in your email , did you mention it is for Naturalisation ? Wondering if HO understood your question for the right category ?
Raj
Hi,

Yes I did mention it was for BC.
I have today received below follow up email from HO:


Dear Sir,

Thank you for your enquiry.

The points based calculator contains information about degrees that is regularly updated by UK NARIC, therefore applicants who obtained a degree overseas, for which the online points calculator has awarded ten points for English language skill, can submit evidence from the calculator, together with the original certification of that degree, to demonstrate that they have met the English language element of the Knowledge of Language and Life in the UK requirement. They will however still need to pass the Life in the UK test.

Applicants are awarded points for English when the calculator confirms that their degree:

∙ meets or exceeds the equivalent level to UK Bachelors degree; and

∙ was taught to a competent standard of English equivalent to level B1 on the Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of Reference for Languages: Learning, Teaching, Assessment (CEFR).

I trust this answers your question.

Regards
Just a thought about these replies from HO , Hope you guys (OP and Jhumbo) got EC by either HSMP/T1/T2/Work permit and during those times (atleast after PBS norms) ,even during ILR Degree/Masters were checked, so why do HO needs Degree certificate again ? Replies seems still to be a vague answer ? for me :-(

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Post by n0mi » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:22 am

I am family member of EEA National. I was student before that so no PBS. I wish to apply for Naturalisation.
Knowledge of language and life in the UK:

I have passed the Life in the UK test.

I have a graduation degree from Pakistan ( Bs Computer Science). The qualification has been deemed by UK NARIC and meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s degree in the UK.

I have a letter from my College where i studied Bachelor degree that the qualification was taught and researched in English.

I would like to know if the documents above are sufficient to meet the KOLL requirement or do i need English Language Assessment statement from UK NARIC too.

If not then on AN form which options need to be marked?

•Certificate showing that you have obtained an academic qualification deemed by UK NARIC to meet the recognised standard of a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the United Kingdom and

(i) an English Language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC
confirming that the qualification was taught or researched in English or

(ii) the qualification was taught or researched in the UK or a majority English speaking country (other than Canada)

I called home office on two different numbers both gave different reply. one said college letter is enough other said u need UK NARIC ELA. Hope to hear from you soon.

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