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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by ariskar » Tue May 12, 2020 9:49 am

A similar, but sort of different answer my spouse received today (almost 10 months since application):
Good Morning,

Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, it is not always possible to complete every case within our service standard, particularly if an applicant has a complex immigration history or if further enquiries need to be made.

Published guidance has now been clarified to explain the factors that may contribute to a case being classed as complex.

Examples of relevant factors include:

Criminality,
Previous refusal of asylum,
Previous grant of a period of Leave to remain exceptionally outside the Immigration Rules,
Periods of overstaying between previous applications,
Evidence of illegal working or illegal entry,
European Nationals who do not provide evidence of Permanent Residence in UK,
Failure to comply with immigration reporting restrictions, and
Financial irregularities.

This is of course not an exhaustive list, simply an indication of some of the factors which would trigger a higher level of scrutiny, the relevant guidance can be found at:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/chap ... structions. Please note that although investigation of these factors may be delaying your application – this does not automatically mean that your application will be refused – but simply that more investigation is required. You will receive your decision when a complete consideration has been made.

One of the requirements for naturalisation, set out in the British Nationality Act 1981, concerns good character. The British Nationality Act 1981 contains no definition of "good character". The Secretary of State's approach to determining whether or not, for this purpose, an applicant is of good character is set out in guidance which has been published at on our website at: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... idance.pdf

A broad view is taken when judging whether this requirement is satisfied. We take into consideration, amongst other things, the activities past and present of an individual, and the openness and honesty of a prospective citizen when assessing whether this requirement has been satisfied. Applicants are expected to have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled their duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.

It may be helpful to know that our enquiries are not limited to criminal records or to a persons activities within the UK. Nor is there a limit set out in nationality law on the time taken to carry out those enquiries.

As part of the application process, we routinely conduct enquiries with other government departments and external agencies. The extent and length of time taken to complete these varies according to the particular circumstance of each application.

Once all necessary enquiries are concluded we will then be in a position to consider the applications. Please be advised that it is not possible to provide a timescale for a decision to be issued, as this will depend on the findings of any of the previously mentioned enquiries and a full consideration of each case. Please also note that Coronavirus (COVID 19) is further delaying decisions at this time.

We will write to you once a decision has been reached, or if we require any further information.

Kind regards,
UKVI
Lastly,
winter1234 wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:31 pm
Hi PPTP,

Can you please let me know if you managed to draft the complaint letter which you mentioned couple of weeks ago?

Kind regards,
Winter1234
Also, I could not PM PPTP for progress on his initiative, as I got the following message:

Code: Select all

Some users couldn’t be added as they do not have permission to read private messages.
I guess his account is restricted. :roll:

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by ariskar » Tue May 12, 2020 9:57 am

This email response illustrates and partially confirms that there is some systemic procedural segregation towards the majority of refugee route applicants; due to the fact that the reasons for additional checks criteria are disproportionately relevant to most of this route applicants immigration & residence history, compared to applicants through other immigration routes.

Speaking as a British Citizen myself: The right of Home Office and country rules? Definitely. In line with British society values, as portrayed by the Home Office and our recent governments - Not so sure... :roll:

#food_for_thought

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by winter1234 » Tue May 12, 2020 11:58 am

ariskar wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:49 am
A similar, but sort of different answer my spouse received today (almost 10 months since application):
Good Morning,

Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, it is not always possible to complete every case within our service standard, particularly if an applicant has a complex immigration history or if further enquiries need to be made.

Published guidance has now been clarified to explain the factors that may contribute to a case being classed as complex.

Examples of relevant factors include:

Criminality,
Previous refusal of asylum,
Previous grant of a period of Leave to remain exceptionally outside the Immigration Rules,
Periods of overstaying between previous applications,
Evidence of illegal working or illegal entry,
European Nationals who do not provide evidence of Permanent Residence in UK,
Failure to comply with immigration reporting restrictions, and
Financial irregularities.

This is of course not an exhaustive list, simply an indication of some of the factors which would trigger a higher level of scrutiny, the relevant guidance can be found at:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/chap ... structions. Please note that although investigation of these factors may be delaying your application – this does not automatically mean that your application will be refused – but simply that more investigation is required. You will receive your decision when a complete consideration has been made.

One of the requirements for naturalisation, set out in the British Nationality Act 1981, concerns good character. The British Nationality Act 1981 contains no definition of "good character". The Secretary of State's approach to determining whether or not, for this purpose, an applicant is of good character is set out in guidance which has been published at on our website at: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... idance.pdf

A broad view is taken when judging whether this requirement is satisfied. We take into consideration, amongst other things, the activities past and present of an individual, and the openness and honesty of a prospective citizen when assessing whether this requirement has been satisfied. Applicants are expected to have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled their duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.

It may be helpful to know that our enquiries are not limited to criminal records or to a persons activities within the UK. Nor is there a limit set out in nationality law on the time taken to carry out those enquiries.

As part of the application process, we routinely conduct enquiries with other government departments and external agencies. The extent and length of time taken to complete these varies according to the particular circumstance of each application.

Once all necessary enquiries are concluded we will then be in a position to consider the applications. Please be advised that it is not possible to provide a timescale for a decision to be issued, as this will depend on the findings of any of the previously mentioned enquiries and a full consideration of each case. Please also note that Coronavirus (COVID 19) is further delaying decisions at this time.

We will write to you once a decision has been reached, or if we require any further information.

Kind regards,
UKVI
Lastly,
winter1234 wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:31 pm
Hi PPTP,

Can you please let me know if you managed to draft the complaint letter which you mentioned couple of weeks ago?

Kind regards,
Winter1234
Also, I could not PM PPTP for progress on his initiative, as I got the following message:

Code: Select all

Some users couldn’t be added as they do not have permission to read private messages.
I guess his account is restricted. :roll:
I got similar email about section 3 of AN application form is taking longer time to be checked as the checks are carried out by external agencies.
I asked them what would be the situation if the external agency doesn't finalise the checks in months or years but they haven't answered yet.
My application is about 10 months and asI am aware there is not even a minor issue in my records and I believe HO uses the mysterious external agencies excuse to exhaust the applicant through the refugee route.
As everyone knows refugees are the only applicants which provided HO with their personal life information and this checks and the time which take is unusual.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by Small » Tue May 12, 2020 3:09 pm

Hello Guys,
There is a message to HO from one of the applicant back in 2015.
Dear Home Office,

Please can you provide me with reasons why my naturalisation application has been delayed beyond 6 months

My reference number is ......... It has been 10 months and counting since i submitted my naturalisation application and up till now i remain unclear as to when a decision will be made. My application in my view is straight forward and i cannot comprehend the delay that has transpired hitherto. You have stated that you will provide applicants with an explanation when processing times for applications exceeds your 6 months guide. I do not feel you have done this to great effect in my case. I feel such an excessive delay warrants a personalised response especially when the applicant considers (upon reviewing their present and past circumstances) that theirs is a simple case.
...........,,
HO reply:
Dear ....,,

Thank you for your email about your application for naturalisation as a British citizen, which was received on 2 April 2014.

I am sorry that it is taking longer than we would wish for your application to be processed and that you feel our service did not meet your expectations on this occasion.

As you may be aware, our service standard is that we will complete 100% of workable and straightforward cases within six months. The definition of a workable case, and what we expect from our customers, is available on our website at: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-v.... Where further information is required, the case will not be classed as workable, and may take longer to decide.

Prior to making a decision on British Citizenship, we undertake various checks. Following our assessment of your case, unfortunately it appears your application will not be processed within the six month target.

I am aware from our records that a letter was sent to you on 5 February, advising you that we are still dealing with your application, explaining the reasons why and that you will be informed of a decision when the necessary checks are complete.

Please do not contact the UKVI Contact Centre regarding the progress of your case as they will not be able to provide any further information. This also applies to any family

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by winter1234 » Wed May 13, 2020 9:49 am

Small wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 3:09 pm
Hello Guys,
There is a message to HO from one of the applicant back in 2015.
Dear Home Office,

Please can you provide me with reasons why my naturalisation application has been delayed beyond 6 months

My reference number is ......... It has been 10 months and counting since i submitted my naturalisation application and up till now i remain unclear as to when a decision will be made. My application in my view is straight forward and i cannot comprehend the delay that has transpired hitherto. You have stated that you will provide applicants with an explanation when processing times for applications exceeds your 6 months guide. I do not feel you have done this to great effect in my case. I feel such an excessive delay warrants a personalised response especially when the applicant considers (upon reviewing their present and past circumstances) that theirs is a simple case.
...........,,
HO reply:
Dear ....,,

Thank you for your email about your application for naturalisation as a British citizen, which was received on 2 April 2014.

I am sorry that it is taking longer than we would wish for your application to be processed and that you feel our service did not meet your expectations on this occasion.

As you may be aware, our service standard is that we will complete 100% of workable and straightforward cases within six months. The definition of a workable case, and what we expect from our customers, is available on our website at: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-v.... Where further information is required, the case will not be classed as workable, and may take longer to decide.

Prior to making a decision on British Citizenship, we undertake various checks. Following our assessment of your case, unfortunately it appears your application will not be processed within the six month target.

I am aware from our records that a letter was sent to you on 5 February, advising you that we are still dealing with your application, explaining the reasons why and that you will be informed of a decision when the necessary checks are complete.

Please do not contact the UKVI Contact Centre regarding the progress of your case as they will not be able to provide any further information. This also applies to any family
Hi Small,
Do you know when this applicant received the decision?
Thanks

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by BoyTed » Wed May 13, 2020 12:34 pm

ariskar wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 9:49 am
A similar, but sort of different answer my spouse received today (almost 10 months since application):
Good Morning,

Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, it is not always possible to complete every case within our service standard, particularly if an applicant has a complex immigration history or if further enquiries need to be made.

Published guidance has now been clarified to explain the factors that may contribute to a case being classed as complex.

Examples of relevant factors include:

Criminality,
Previous refusal of asylum,
Previous grant of a period of Leave to remain exceptionally outside the Immigration Rules,
Periods of overstaying between previous applications,
Evidence of illegal working or illegal entry,
European Nationals who do not provide evidence of Permanent Residence in UK,
Failure to comply with immigration reporting restrictions, and
Financial irregularities.

This is of course not an exhaustive list, simply an indication of some of the factors which would trigger a higher level of scrutiny, the relevant guidance can be found at:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/chap ... structions. Please note that although investigation of these factors may be delaying your application – this does not automatically mean that your application will be refused – but simply that more investigation is required. You will receive your decision when a complete consideration has been made.

One of the requirements for naturalisation, set out in the British Nationality Act 1981, concerns good character. The British Nationality Act 1981 contains no definition of "good character". The Secretary of State's approach to determining whether or not, for this purpose, an applicant is of good character is set out in guidance which has been published at on our website at: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... idance.pdf

A broad view is taken when judging whether this requirement is satisfied. We take into consideration, amongst other things, the activities past and present of an individual, and the openness and honesty of a prospective citizen when assessing whether this requirement has been satisfied. Applicants are expected to have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled their duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.

It may be helpful to know that our enquiries are not limited to criminal records or to a persons activities within the UK. Nor is there a limit set out in nationality law on the time taken to carry out those enquiries.

As part of the application process, we routinely conduct enquiries with other government departments and external agencies. The extent and length of time taken to complete these varies according to the particular circumstance of each application.

Once all necessary enquiries are concluded we will then be in a position to consider the applications. Please be advised that it is not possible to provide a timescale for a decision to be issued, as this will depend on the findings of any of the previously mentioned enquiries and a full consideration of each case. Please also note that Coronavirus (COVID 19) is further delaying decisions at this time.

We will write to you once a decision has been reached, or if we require any further information.

Kind regards,
UKVI
Lastly,
winter1234 wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 2:31 pm
Hi PPTP,

Can you please let me know if you managed to draft the complaint letter which you mentioned couple of weeks ago?

Kind regards,
Winter1234
Also, I could not PM PPTP for progress on his initiative, as I got the following message:

Code: Select all

Some users couldn’t be added as they do not have permission to read private messages.
I guess his account is restricted. :roll:
Hello Everyone,
What happened to PPTP?
Apparently he was on track trying to draft complaint letter so where is he??
I hope the admin didn't block him God forbid as that is the route to dictatorship.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by winter1234 » Wed May 13, 2020 12:43 pm

BoyTed wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:34 pm
Hello Everyone,
What happened to PPTP?
Apparently he was on track trying to draft complaint letter so where is he??
I hope the admin didn't block him God forbid as that is the route to dictatorship.
Hi BoyTed,
It looks he has been blocked but I don't know why the blocked him.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by CR001 » Wed May 13, 2020 1:01 pm

winter1234 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:43 pm
BoyTed wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:34 pm
Hello Everyone,
What happened to PPTP?
Apparently he was on track trying to draft complaint letter so where is he??
I hope the admin didn't block him God forbid as that is the route to dictatorship.
Hi BoyTed,
It looks he has been blocked but I don't know why the blocked him.
Oh get a grip. User PPTP has NOT been 'blocked' from the forum and last logged in this morning at 11:07am. Maybe they are busy with life and not refreshing the forum page every 5 minutes!!!
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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by winter1234 » Wed May 13, 2020 1:30 pm

CR001 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:01 pm
winter1234 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:43 pm
BoyTed wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:34 pm
Hello Everyone,
What happened to PPTP?
Apparently he was on track trying to draft complaint letter so where is he??
I hope the admin didn't block him God forbid as that is the route to dictatorship.
Hi BoyTed,
It looks he has been blocked but I don't know why the blocked him.
Oh get a grip. User PPTP has NOT been 'blocked' from the forum and last logged in this morning at 11:07am. Maybe they are busy with life and not refreshing the forum page every 5 minutes!!!
It is non of your business if anyone refresh this forum every 5 minutes!!!

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by Small » Wed May 13, 2020 8:52 pm

Small wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 3:09 pm
Hello Guys,
There is a message to HO from one of the applicant back in 2015.
Dear Home Office,

Please can you provide me with reasons why my naturalisation application has been delayed beyond 6 months

My reference number is ......... It has been 10 months and counting since i submitted my naturalisation application and up till now i remain unclear as to when a decision will be made. My application in my view is straight forward and i cannot comprehend the delay that has transpired hitherto. You have stated that you will provide applicants with an explanation when processing times for applications exceeds your 6 months guide. I do not feel you have done this to great effect in my case. I feel such an excessive delay warrants a personalised response especially when the applicant considers (upon reviewing their present and past circumstances) that theirs is a simple case.
...........,,
HO reply:
Dear ....,,

Thank you for your email about your application for naturalisation as a British citizen, which was received on 2 April 2014.

I am sorry that it is taking longer than we would wish for your application to be processed and that you feel our service did not meet your expectations on this occasion.

As you may be aware, our service standard is that we will complete 100% of workable and straightforward cases within six months. The definition of a workable case, and what we expect from our customers, is available on our website at: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-v.... Where further information is required, the case will not be classed as workable, and may take longer to decide.

Prior to making a decision on British Citizenship, we undertake various checks. Following our assessment of your case, unfortunately it appears your application will not be processed within the six month target.

I am aware from our records that a letter was sent to you on 5 February, advising you that we are still dealing with your application, explaining the reasons why and that you will be informed of a decision when the necessary checks are complete.

Please do not contact the UKVI Contact Centre regarding the progress of your case as they will not be able to provide any further information. This also applies to any family

No idea about the outcome of application . Sorry

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by London22 » Wed May 13, 2020 8:58 pm

Small wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:52 pm
Small wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 3:09 pm
Hello Guys,
There is a message to HO from one of the applicant back in 2015.
Dear Home Office,

Please can you provide me with reasons why my naturalisation application has been delayed beyond 6 months

My reference number is ......... It has been 10 months and counting since i submitted my naturalisation application and up till now i remain unclear as to when a decision will be made. My application in my view is straight forward and i cannot comprehend the delay that has transpired hitherto. You have stated that you will provide applicants with an explanation when processing times for applications exceeds your 6 months guide. I do not feel you have done this to great effect in my case. I feel such an excessive delay warrants a personalised response especially when the applicant considers (upon reviewing their present and past circumstances) that theirs is a simple case.
...........,,
HO reply:
Dear ....,,

Thank you for your email about your application for naturalisation as a British citizen, which was received on 2 April 2014.

I am sorry that it is taking longer than we would wish for your application to be processed and that you feel our service did not meet your expectations on this occasion.

As you may be aware, our service standard is that we will complete 100% of workable and straightforward cases within six months. The definition of a workable case, and what we expect from our customers, is available on our website at: www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-v.... Where further information is required, the case will not be classed as workable, and may take longer to decide.

Prior to making a decision on British Citizenship, we undertake various checks. Following our assessment of your case, unfortunately it appears your application will not be processed within the six month target.

I am aware from our records that a letter was sent to you on 5 February, advising you that we are still dealing with your application, explaining the reasons why and that you will be informed of a decision when the necessary checks are complete.

Please do not contact the UKVI Contact Centre regarding the progress of your case as they will not be able to provide any further information. This also applies to any family

No idea about the outcome of application . Sorry
It is irrelevant to bring something from 2015 as immigration rules get twists everyday hence what was the policy in 2015 is likely not on now.But as general we know it is just getting worst day by day to believe in the system.Every individual case is dealt differently &according to circumstance.
Immigration checks with agencies around don't take more than a few days.Its not that a caseworkers walks to their doorsteps to ask about applicants.Everything is online .When they delay applications in most cases they do it intentionally.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by Small » Thu May 14, 2020 9:48 pm

Yes I think too it’s intentional delay from HO. Specially when we paid huge fees for each family member. I thought the process would be quicker as everything was done online. HO says they do checks. What sort of checks HO is doing which is taking so much time? I don’t think so HO take as much care of applicants for checks as HO says. Its just a deliberate delay. What happened to wind rush generation and then HO said sorry to them. Why HO does that kind of tacts to frustrate normal hard working people. I do like this country but sorry to say one department i.e. HO, is not reliable. Everyone knows even HO knows that. Shame !

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by London22 » Thu May 14, 2020 11:49 pm

Small wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:48 pm
Yes I think too it’s intentional delay from HO. Specially when we paid huge fees for each family member. I thought the process would be quicker as everything was done online. HO says they do checks. What sort of checks HO is doing which is taking so much time? I don’t think so HO take as much care of applicants for checks as HO says. Its just a deliberate delay. What happened to wind rush generation and then HO said sorry to them. Why HO does that kind of tacts to frustrate normal hard working people. I do like this country but sorry to say one department i.e. HO, is not reliable. Everyone knows even HO knows that. Shame !
It is very simple to understand if you know how politics work .Since Tories came into power their leadership planned to make it difficult for migrants living in UK or want to come &live here .Well fair enough it is their country they can do that but they have no right to abuse people for making money .They also planned to make money from migrants hence we see Hostile Environment & every year sky rocketing visa fees.No one can imagine how many billions UK is making from migrants.They are addicted to make money .But what the Tories want is just make money for them and make hard for them to live here.Delay or refusal of applications ,everyday twists in rules& weird changes all are politicised.HO is fully politicised.Politics is being played with every one facing this.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by secret.simon » Fri May 15, 2020 6:29 am

It certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.

If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by London22 » Fri May 15, 2020 12:48 pm

secret.simon wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 6:29 am
It certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.

If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
Economic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by CR001 » Fri May 15, 2020 1:00 pm

London22 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 12:48 pm
secret.simon wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 6:29 am
It certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.

If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
Economic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.
You are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!

He is referring to some applicants who don't tell the whole truth or circumstance and withhold material information from HO when claiming to be a refugee or asylum seeker, as the link posted clearly explains about a case.
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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by secret.simon » Fri May 15, 2020 1:58 pm

CR001 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:00 pm
London22 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 12:48 pm
secret.simon wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 6:29 am
It certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.

If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
Economic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.
You are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!

He is referring to some applicants who don't tell the whole truth or circumstance and withhold material information from HO when claiming to be a refugee or asylum seeker, as the link posted clearly explains about a case.
Sometimes I get the feeling that I am talking in a foreign language, English.

"Economical with the truth" has got nothing to do with economics, but with being economical (i.e. not giving out, but keeping to yourself) with the truth. It runs the gamut from not telling the whole truth (i.e. intentionally leaving important details out) to lying.
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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by Small » Fri May 15, 2020 2:28 pm

Off course it’s a politics plus getting money from migrants. Few years ago citizenships was free and now...? English test added plus life in UK test (with fees), its fine as for as tests are concerned but it’s not an easy task for few people and financially too.
Why HO is not an user friendly or open for the migrants? HO can arrange a programme on tele and reply Qs and As from migrants, straight forward. Few People are getting quicker devisions with in month other waiting for more than 6 months. On the top no proper reply from HO why they have been delayed even their case is straight forward. If HO wants to make checks (so called) what are they. Bureaucracy!

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by ariskar » Sun May 17, 2020 7:41 pm

secret.simon wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:58 pm
CR001 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:00 pm
London22 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 12:48 pm
secret.simon wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 6:29 am
It certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.

If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
Economic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.
You are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!

He is referring to some applicants who don't tell the whole truth or circumstance and withhold material information from HO when claiming to be a refugee or asylum seeker, as the link posted clearly explains about a case.
Sometimes I get the feeling that I am talking in a foreign language, English.

"Economical with the truth" has got nothing to do with economics, but with being economical (i.e. not giving out, but keeping to yourself) with the truth. It runs the gamut from not telling the whole truth (i.e. intentionally leaving important details out) to lying.
I got your point the first time secret.simon, as compared to the other member who most likely doesn't have English as his first language. However, HO introduced since 2017 if I am not mistaken, safe-return reviews in the ILR settlement application process for refugees to deal with this exact "economy with the truth". What is the point after these people had their initial refugee status grants (many through more than one loops, application - judicial reviews/appeals), then reassessed after another 5 years for safe return and "economy with the truth". What is the point in the naturalisation process to be re-assessed for the 3rd of 4th time and have a "procedural segregation" compared to other permanent residents who came through different immigration routes?

What I believe (as a BC myself) is that the last couple of governments have been hypocritical and "economical with British values" particularly the one about a tolerant society without discrimination. Just my two pennies here. But I guess when we vote for "Hostile environment" policies and their representatives... we embrace also true "hostile social values".

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by London22 » Sun May 17, 2020 8:58 pm

secret.simon wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:58 pm
CR001 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:00 pm
London22 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 12:48 pm
secret.simon wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 6:29 am
It certainly does not help that some applicants have been economical with the truth, treating it as an optional extra, during their immigration process.

If citizenship is irreversible or very hard to reverse, then it may be necessary to revisit the entirety of the applicant's immigration history before granting them citizenship.
Economic element is always there in an every migrant's case .An economic migrant can become a refugee depending on situation in his home country.HO always thinks 100 times about the above mentioned economic thing.If you want them to be difficult &hostile which seems from this message then they are already at this point right now.
You are completely misunderstanding what secret.simon has posted. He was NOT referring to 'economic migrants'!

He is referring to some applicants who don't tell the whole truth or circumstance and withhold material information from HO when claiming to be a refugee or asylum seeker, as the link posted clearly explains about a case.
Sometimes I get the feeling that I am talking in a foreign language, English.

"Economical with the truth" has got nothing to do with economics, but with being economical (i.e. not giving out, but keeping to yourself) with the truth. It runs the gamut from not telling the whole truth (i.e. intentionally leaving important details out) to lying.
Your interpretation of economical with truth in here is that some asylum seekers lie so they should be denied ILR or citizenship.Well Home office does make all essential checks before granting asylum.Some members of public are more hostile than the HO as by thinking asylum seekers lie is just undermining credibility of most refugees.Why on earth you think that on citizenship application there should be reviews on someone,s immigration history???This way a system just looks hostile,weird,unjust &Draconian which it is almost .
On my understanding of the term economical with truth ,I have slightly a different understanding but obviously if you think some asylum seekers lie then they lie for economical benefits hence if some lie they can be called economical migrants but being economical migrant doesn't stop someone to be a refugee.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by Rbgotpwr » Sun May 17, 2020 10:50 pm

PPTP wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 7:53 am
Frou01 wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 2:08 pm
I know a lot of Europeans already waiting far over a year and get generic replies when they inquire.
Many people from all kind of backgrounds waiting.
I would appreciate if you would please at least provide the figures.
By its nature your reply says that should Europeans have a special priority, shouldn’t they?
Many people from all kind of backgrounds waiting - I would appreciate some comments to be provided, what kind of backgrounds?!
I applied with EU settled status as an EU citizen and been waiting beyond the standard processing times, I still haven’t received a decision. I have an uncomplicated case and I support the above comment stating that people from all backgrounds can be subject to long waiting times, not just refugees.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by Small » Tue May 19, 2020 10:51 am

If you are a citizen of USA, Australia, scandavia, and Canada etc which are more prosperous would get a decision quicker. Other EUs May face delay.
If HO delays intentionally or deliberately or do that tactics, offensive text removed by moderator
A general formula fo HO.
HO=(bureaucracy+ hypocrisy)

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by secret.simon » Tue May 19, 2020 11:07 am

Small wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:51 am
If you are a citizen of USA, Australia, scandavia, and Canada etc which are more prosperous would get a decision quicker. Other EUs May face delay.
If HO delays intentionally or deliberately or do that tactics, offensive text removed by moderator
A general formula fo HO.
HO=(bureaucracy+ hypocrisy)
Not necessaily true. I suspect that that the distinction is most likely between people whose immigration history is easy to verify (eg, somebody who has been in the UK on a five year Tier 1 or Tier 2 visa or an EEA citizen who has worked continuously since arrival, for instance, as their immigration history can be verified against HMRC data in a very straightforward manner) vs people who have been on multiple different visas, all of whose various requirements would need to be checked against, which would take much more time.

And re the Home Office (or indeed any government body) being bureaucracy, you do realise that that is the definition of the word (bureau=office/workspace; cracy=rule by; thence bureaucracy=rule by the office).
I am not a lawyer or immigration advisor. My statements/comments do not constitute legal advice. E&OE. Please do not PM me for advice.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by Small » Tue May 19, 2020 1:56 pm

I a talking about applicants, who had straight forward case, worked hard got their leave to remain then after 5 years got ILR. Then applied for BC. I am pretty sure HO have had done checks already when they gave ILR. So what’s the point delaying more than 6 months for just another year checks? COVID could be factor in delaying but HO should be working from home as per government rules. Many judges, solicitor, actors and many other people, even my solicitor says that it’s a deliberate delay from HO.

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Re: Naturalisation application delays for Refugees Applicants

Post by amasoumi » Tue May 19, 2020 2:44 pm

Small wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 1:56 pm
I a talking about applicants, who had straight forward case, worked hard got their leave to remain then after 5 years got ILR. Then applied for BC. I am pretty sure HO have had done checks already when they gave ILR. So what’s the point delaying more than 6 months for just another year checks? COVID could be factor in delaying but HO should be working from home as per government rules. Many judges, solicitor, actors and many other people, even my solicitor says that it’s a deliberate delay from HO.
I agree that some delays are deliberate but it's not systematic. seems like an individual caseworker can be overzealous with the policy of hostile environment. and probably they cant be held accountable as this a privilege not a right!!

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