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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by mercuree » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:05 pm

Ceelocsta wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:01 pm
Hi everyone, I got my British nationality act 1981 certificate of registration via UKF back in 2016 when it came out. Trying to find out if this certificate classes me of British from birth ? Or is it from the date it it issued ? This information is important as if this classes it as from birth. Things are less complicated for my children knowing I was British from birth because of the certificate. Any info would help. Thanks
from what I recall from the guidance notes one, who uses the uKF route, is considered a "British citizen by descent". This means that your children, should you have such; in future, will not automatically qualify for citizenship if born outside of the UK. I imagine the same would apply to any existing children.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by mercuree » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:14 pm

mercuree wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:05 pm
Ceelocsta wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:01 pm
Hi everyone, I got my British nationality act 1981 certificate of registration via UKF back in 2016 when it came out. Trying to find out if this certificate classes me of British from birth ? Or is it from the date it it issued ? This information is important as if this classes it as from birth. Things are less complicated for my children knowing I was British from birth because of the certificate. Any info would help. Thanks
from what I recall from the guidance notes one, who uses the uKF route, is considered a "British citizen by descent". This means that your children, should you have such; in future, will not automatically qualify for citizenship if born outside of the UK. I imagine the same would apply to any existing children.
The UKF guidance notes state:

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If you would have become a British citizen by descent had your parents been married, you will be a British citizen by descent after registration under this provision. British citizens by descent cannot normally pass on British citizenship to any children born outside British territory.
If you are resident in the United Kingdom, and 18 or over, you may therefore wish to consider applying for naturalisation, as that would give British citizenship otherwise than by descent which would allow you to be able to pass on that citizenship to any children born abroad to you in the future.
You can read further, here

If you have already obtained such, I imagine you would have to register your children as overseas dependants, after having emigrated to the UK. However I am struggling to find the relevant info on this, so I defer to anyone else's knowledge in this regard.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Ceelocsta » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:35 pm

So yes I'm British by descent, is this classed from birth or from the date we got our certificates after application. If you understand what I mean. I already had children born in the UK before I got this certificate.

The reason I want to know this is because their mother is a EU citizen she is unsure about her residence at the time of our children's birth and we are unmarried. So as long as I'm classed as British be decent from birth and not from the date of the certificate. My children out automatically British. Without worrying about their mothers situation. Both children born after July 2006



If at least one of your parents was a British or Irish citizen when you were born
You’ll be a British citizen if when you were born at least one of your parents was either:

a British citizen
an Irish citizen living in the UK
If the parent that meets these conditions is your father and you were born before 1 July 2006, he must have been married to your mother when you were born.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by mercuree » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:43 pm

Ceelocsta wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:35 pm
So yes I'm British by descent, is this classed from birth or from the date we got our certificates after application. If you understand what I mean. I already had children born in the UK before I got this certificate.

The reason I want to know this is because their mother is a EU citizen she is unsure about her residence at the time of our children's birth and we are unmarried. So as long as I'm classed as British be decent from birth and not from the date of the certificate. My children out automatically British. Without worrying about their mothers situation. Both children born after July 2006



If at least one of your parents was a British or Irish citizen when you were born
You’ll be a British citizen if when you were born at least one of your parents was either:

a British citizen
an Irish citizen living in the UK
If the parent that meets these conditions is your father and you were born before 1 July 2006, he must have been married to your mother when you were born.

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If you're under 18

You can register to become a British citizen if one of your parents considered the UK as their home and did any of the following after you were born:

became a British citizen
got indefinite leave to remain in the UK
got ‘settled status’ (also known as ‘indefinite leave to remain under the EU Settlement Scheme’)
got indefinite leave to enter the UK
got permanent residence status
You must have been born in the UK and be under 18 when you apply.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-born-uk/under-18

This may also be a possibility: https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citize ... 06-onwards

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Krotoa » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:32 am

I am about to submit my UKF application from South Africa.

My father is not on my birth certificate and are no longer in contact, so I did a DNA test with my half-sibling from my father's first marriage. The DNA test was a legal test by an accredited company listed on the gov.uk website. However, the test report says,
Based on testing results obtained from analyses of the DNA loci listed, the probability of half-siblingship is 68.6%. The likelihood that they share a common biological parent is 2 to 1. This probability of siblingship is calculated by comparing to an untested, unrelated, random individual of the general population (assumes prior probability equals 0.50).

"According to AABB standards, combined likelihood rations of 0.1 through 10 are considered inconclusive for the relationship. Based on [testing company]'s standard battery of tests for kinship tests for kinship cases, approximately 11% of true second degree relatives (half-sibship, avuncular, single grandparents) will generate combined likelihood indices within this range. Testing of additional relatives is recommended.
So basically, it's saying we're probably related, but they can't confirm that we are half-siblings (spoiler alert - we definitely are, even our MyHeritage DNA profiles match up as half sisters). I am seriously annoyed, as before testing I had repeatedly asked the company in different ways if their test would confirm that my sister and I share the same father, and are agnate siblings. They had assured me it would. I have contacted my customer service advisor, and she has asked someone from the lab to call me back.

In addition to the report I will also be including:

- my father's full UK birth certificate (he was born in the UK to British parents)
- my full birth certificate with no details entered under father
- my half-sister's full UK birth certificate with our father's details
- my half-sister's UK marriage certificate showing her change of surname
- copy of my half-sister's British passport
- 2x photographs of me with my father and half-sister
- 8x photographs of me with my father over a period of approximately 10 years, including photographs of him giving me away at my wedding

I have no photos of my parents together and none of myself with my father as a child (long story).

Do you think these are sufficient? Do you think I should add anything else?

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by 1mic » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:32 am

Hi, does UKF also apply to SETTLED Father, whose child or children would have acquired citizenship automatically had they been married to the Mother at the time the child was born in the UK.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by CR001 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:37 am

1mic wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:32 am
Hi, does UKF also apply to SETTLED Father, whose child or children would have acquired citizenship automatically had they been married to the Mother at the time the child was born in the UK.
It applies to children born to British fathers.
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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by 1mic » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:57 am

In the new home office UKF guidance 09 Aug 2019. Why is it asking for evidence of father’s settled status then if it don’t apply to Setteld Father as you said??? Pls read below.

Registration under section 4G
The Law
A person qualifies for registration under section 4G if:
• they were born after 1 January 1983 and before 1 July 2006
• their mother was not married to the natural father
• they have never been a British citizen
• they would have become a British citizen automatically if their parents had been
married at the time of their birth, for example:
o under section 1(1) – born in the UK to a father who was a British citizen or
settled in the UK
o under section 2(1) – born outside the UK to a British citizen father o under the British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983
• they are under 18, their mother and natural father have consented to the registration, unless:
o one of the parents has died
o there are special grounds to waive consent in the exceptional circumstances
of a particular case (for more information see the section on parental consent in registration as British citizen: children)
Evidence to be supplied
You must see the following evidence:
• documents to establish that the child would have had an automatic claim had their parents been married, such as their birth certificate and father’s birth certificate, passport or evidence of settled status
• proof of paternity
• parental consent if the person is under 18
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Contents
Related external content
Registration as British citizen: other British nationals Registration as British citizen: stateless persons Registration as British citizen: children
British citizenship: automatic acquisition


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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by 1mic » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:39 pm

See more information below that shows UKF application is not only for British Father’s. Application includes “ SETTLED” or ILR statuses the Father was not a British Citizen but had ILR or PR.

I hope this clarifies.



Documents


This section tells you the sort of documents you will need to provide to consider your application. We cannot consider your application unless we have supporting documents. If you do not submit your application with supporting documents and the application will be returned to you unprocessed.

Documentary evidence that (had the law been different) you would have become a British citizen
You will need to provide the following documents:
• Your passport
• Your full birth certificate and either:
o Your father’s full birth certificate, or
o Your father’s certificate of naturalisation or registration as a British citizen or as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or, before 1 January 1949, as a British subject), or
o Papers showing your father’s legal adoption, or
o Your father’s citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or British citizen
passport showing he had that status before you were born, or
o Evidence that he was settled in the UK at the time of your birth, if you were
born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Yanni » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:26 am

Update
I WAS 1 of the first person to know and applied about for this app in 2015.. Only on Monday I recieved the good news am going for the ceremony on the 8 October.

The basically refused the app, reason being that, I am currently in England and was a overstayer.

A young man went jail and was being deported back to Jamaica, so he took the home office to the supreme court whom then said children that come under UKF application shouldn't be subjected to GOOD CHARACTER CHECK. it was passed properly in parliament last week.

SO IF ANYONE KNOWS OF ANYBODY REFUSED FOR THIS REASON. TELL THEM TO APPEAL

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Krotoa » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:11 pm

So! I've finally submitted my UKF application.

Timeline so far:

26/08/2019: Submitted online application
27/08/2019: Received emailed confirmation that my application has been received
05/09/2019: Supporting documents received and signed for in Liverpool

Now I wait!

Has anyone else submitted recently?

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Sunshine197 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:45 pm

Hello I want start my ukf application however I have one question my parents got married after I was born but then divorced not too long after would determine if I am using the right form also can I apply for the for while visiting the uk or must I apply from abroad

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Krotoa » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:21 pm

Sunshine197 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:45 pm
Hello I want start my ukf application however I have one question my parents got married after I was born but then divorced not too long after would determine if I am using the right form also can I apply for the for while visiting the uk or must I apply from abroad
Your parents’ marriage legitimised your birth. You can do a straightforward passport application. You will need their marriage certificate. Good luck!

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Sunshine197 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:05 pm

Krotoa wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:21 pm
Sunshine197 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:45 pm
Hello I want start my ukf application however I have one question my parents got married after I was born but then divorced not too long after would determine if I am using the right form also can I apply for the for while visiting the uk or must I apply from abroad
Your parents’ marriage legitimised your birth. You can do a straightforward passport application. You will need their marriage certificate. Good luck!

Would being over 18 cause issues

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Krotoa » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:17 pm

Not at all. Straightforward passport application as long as all your documents are in order.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by barry82harvey » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:11 pm

My Step Daughter who is 18 has just started this application. I just wanted to make sure that this is the right application for her to do.

She was born in 2001 in the UK to a British father and Portuguese mother they were never married. She has never left the UK so has never needed a passport. We have only just found out recently that she does not have British citizenship when she tried to apply for her first passport.



Kind regards

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by CR001 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:19 am

barry82harvey wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:11 pm
My Step Daughter who is 18 has just started this application. I just wanted to make sure that this is the right application for her to do.

She was born in 2001 in the UK to a British father and Portuguese mother they were never married. She has never left the UK so has never needed a passport. We have only just found out recently that she does not have British citizenship when she tried to apply for her first passport.



Kind regards
Yes form UKF is correct provided she has all the supporting evidence and her father is named on her birth cert.
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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by barry82harvey » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:40 pm

CR001 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:19 am
Yes form UKF is correct provided she has all the supporting evidence and her father is named on her birth cert.
Thanks very much. Today she has paid the £99.20 fee and has made an appointment to get her bio-metrics and documents given and had to pay another £60 for this service. We will have to wait till 8th October for first available slot we could get to.

All her documents we think are in order. She has 2 referee forms, Her and her fathers birth certificates. That is all they are asking for.

We were hoping to get to Portugal in March so hopefully it will be sorted by then.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Modecreations » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:29 am

Krotoa wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:32 am
I am about to submit my UKF application from South Africa.

My father is not on my birth certificate and are no longer in contact, so I did a DNA test with my half-sibling from my father's first marriage. The DNA test was a legal test by an accredited company listed on the gov.uk website. However, the test report says,
Based on testing results obtained from analyses of the DNA loci listed, the probability of half-siblingship is 68.6%. The likelihood that they share a common biological parent is 2 to 1. This probability of siblingship is calculated by comparing to an untested, unrelated, random individual of the general population (assumes prior probability equals 0.50).

"According to AABB standards, combined likelihood rations of 0.1 through 10 are considered inconclusive for the relationship. Based on [testing company]'s standard battery of tests for kinship tests for kinship cases, approximately 11% of true second degree relatives (half-sibship, avuncular, single grandparents) will generate combined likelihood indices within this range. Testing of additional relatives is recommended.
So basically, it's saying we're probably related, but they can't confirm that we are half-siblings (spoiler alert - we definitely are, even our MyHeritage DNA profiles match up as half sisters). I am seriously annoyed, as before testing I had repeatedly asked the company in different ways if their test would confirm that my sister and I share the same father, and are agnate siblings. They had assured me it would. I have contacted my customer service advisor, and she has asked someone from the lab to call me back.

In addition to the report I will also be including:

- my father's full UK birth certificate (he was born in the UK to British parents)
- my full birth certificate with no details entered under father
- my half-sister's full UK birth certificate with our father's details
- my half-sister's UK marriage certificate showing her change of surname
- copy of my half-sister's British passport
- 2x photographs of me with my father and half-sister
- 8x photographs of me with my father over a period of approximately 10 years, including photographs of him giving me away at my wedding

I have no photos of my parents together and none of myself with my father as a child (long story).

Do you think these are sufficient? Do you think I should add anything else?
I do not know if you have submitted your application and how far it has gone but I was on the same situation as you were . I got my citizenship approval on the 28th of May 2019 and the ceremony was done on the 20th of sept 2019 . I have applied for my passport since the end of sept and am waiting for the approval by God's grace . I submitted my citizenship application using UFK form using the following documents almost as you have "my dad birth and death certificate , DNA test between 2 of my half siblings as my dad was late and I and the DNA test revealed that my 2 half siblings are 100% siblings , my first half sister and I test read 20% related which was stated that it was inconclusive , my second half sister and I test read 49.99% related which showed that we were related . so dont worry yours reading 68% is high enough .My case worker when I had applied for my citizenship had contacted me to ask for my second sister's birth certificate that has my dad's name on it as her father to confirm that the DNA test relates us to the same father I was claiming . You are luck your half sister is responding fine by sending those documents as my half sister refused sending hers but as God may have it when i contacted the home office back they told me birth , death certificate are public records and i can get anyone's certificate as longs as i know their full date of birth and their full name and that was how i got a copy of her birth certificate . I only had one picture that had me , my dad , mum and my mum parents and relatives in it . Luckily for me I had my dad's name registered as my father on my Nigerian birth certificate . My parents were never married . Those were basically the only things I had submitted when I applied for my citizenship using the UKF form .

Going by the similar situation we have I believe your will be approved . Just be believe God .

Hope you or anyone else find this help ...

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Krotoa » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:11 am

Modecreations wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:29 am
Krotoa wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:32 am
I am about to submit my UKF application from South Africa.

My father is not on my birth certificate and are no longer in contact, so I did a DNA test with my half-sibling from my father's first marriage. The DNA test was a legal test by an accredited company listed on the gov.uk website. However, the test report says,
Based on testing results obtained from analyses of the DNA loci listed, the probability of half-siblingship is 68.6%. The likelihood that they share a common biological parent is 2 to 1. This probability of siblingship is calculated by comparing to an untested, unrelated, random individual of the general population (assumes prior probability equals 0.50).

"According to AABB standards, combined likelihood rations of 0.1 through 10 are considered inconclusive for the relationship. Based on [testing company]'s standard battery of tests for kinship tests for kinship cases, approximately 11% of true second degree relatives (half-sibship, avuncular, single grandparents) will generate combined likelihood indices within this range. Testing of additional relatives is recommended.
So basically, it's saying we're probably related, but they can't confirm that we are half-siblings (spoiler alert - we definitely are, even our MyHeritage DNA profiles match up as half sisters). I am seriously annoyed, as before testing I had repeatedly asked the company in different ways if their test would confirm that my sister and I share the same father, and are agnate siblings. They had assured me it would. I have contacted my customer service advisor, and she has asked someone from the lab to call me back.

In addition to the report I will also be including:

- my father's full UK birth certificate (he was born in the UK to British parents)
- my full birth certificate with no details entered under father
- my half-sister's full UK birth certificate with our father's details
- my half-sister's UK marriage certificate showing her change of surname
- copy of my half-sister's British passport
- 2x photographs of me with my father and half-sister
- 8x photographs of me with my father over a period of approximately 10 years, including photographs of him giving me away at my wedding

I have no photos of my parents together and none of myself with my father as a child (long story).

Do you think these are sufficient? Do you think I should add anything else?
I do not know if you have submitted your application and how far it has gone but I was on the same situation as you were . I got my citizenship approval on the 28th of May 2019 and the ceremony was done on the 20th of sept 2019 . I have applied for my passport since the end of sept and am waiting for the approval by God's grace . I submitted my citizenship application using UFK form using the following documents almost as you have "my dad birth and death certificate , DNA test between 2 of my half siblings as my dad was late and I and the DNA test revealed that my 2 half siblings are 100% siblings , my first half sister and I test read 20% related which was stated that it was inconclusive , my second half sister and I test read 49.99% related which showed that we were related . so dont worry yours reading 68% is high enough .My case worker when I had applied for my citizenship had contacted me to ask for my second sister's birth certificate that has my dad's name on it as her father to confirm that the DNA test relates us to the same father I was claiming . You are luck your half sister is responding fine by sending those documents as my half sister refused sending hers but as God may have it when i contacted the home office back they told me birth , death certificate are public records and i can get anyone's certificate as longs as i know their full date of birth and their full name and that was how i got a copy of her birth certificate . I only had one picture that had me , my dad , mum and my mum parents and relatives in it . Luckily for me I had my dad's name registered as my father on my Nigerian birth certificate . My parents were never married . Those were basically the only things I had submitted when I applied for my citizenship using the UKF form .

Going by the similar situation we have I believe your will be approved . Just be believe God .

Hope you or anyone else find this help ...
Thanks so much for this - so helpful!!

I submitted and have been invited to do biometrics, doing that tomorrow. Hopefully that means that I have passed the first hurdle? Were you assigned a caseworker before or after biometrics? Did they ask for the additional info after biometrics? I haven't been asked for anything yet.

Yes, I am very lucky that my siblings are helping me. I hope I don't have to do another DNA test. I have enough siblings to test but it is expensive! I also managed to convince a court official to write a letter stating that the original court order proving my dad's paternity can't be found, and he included screenshots from the system showing that it did exist and my father paid maintenance until I turned 18 (dates shown in the screenshot). Hoping this and the other documentation will help!

It sounds like you and your sisters are not on great terms, how did you convince them to do the test? You are lucky they did it!! I'm hoping this is enough because the test report says we could be aunt and niece or cousins :(

Guess we'll wait and see.

How long do you usually wait for a British passport application to be processed in Nigeria? Africa is considered high fraud (I'm in South Africa) so we are sometimes requested to do interviews after application - hoping we can avoid that because it just prolongs the process!

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Krotoa » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:48 am

Krotoa wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:11 pm
So! I've finally submitted my UKF application.

Timeline so far:

26/08/2019: Submitted online application
27/08/2019: Received emailed confirmation that my application has been received
05/09/2019: Supporting documents received and signed for in Liverpool

Now I wait!

Has anyone else submitted recently?
Minor update!

26/08/2019: Submitted online application
27/08/2019: Received emailed confirmation that my application has been received
05/09/2019: Supporting documents received and signed for in Liverpool
09/10/2019: Received biometrics email
16/10/2019: Completed biometric enrolment

I guess now I wait some more? :)

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Ssaak86 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:44 pm

Hi everyone,

I am about to apply for the UKF through my lawyer.

I have some questions and I would be glad,
If you could answer them.

- Who will be contacted with the status or in case of any enquiries, me or my lawyer ?

- I live in Switzerland but I have put my brother’s address in London. How will I be contacted? Email or post ? And to which address ?

- Can I track the application online ?

- Do both referees have to be British?

Please let me know.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by stark » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:59 am

In my case its been 12.4 weeks now and I haven’t heard a single word from them.

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Krotoa » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:31 pm

Krotoa wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:48 am
Krotoa wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:11 pm
So! I've finally submitted my UKF application.

Timeline so far:

26/08/2019: Submitted online application
27/08/2019: Received emailed confirmation that my application has been received
05/09/2019: Supporting documents received and signed for in Liverpool

Now I wait!

Has anyone else submitted recently?
Minor update!

26/08/2019: Submitted online application
27/08/2019: Received emailed confirmation that my application has been received
05/09/2019: Supporting documents received and signed for in Liverpool
09/10/2019: Received biometrics email
16/10/2019: Completed biometric enrolment

I guess now I wait some more? :)
Application has been approved! Now I just wait for my citizenship ceremony!

26/08/2019: Submitted online application
27/08/2019: Received emailed confirmation that my application has been received
05/09/2019: Supporting documents received and signed for in Liverpool
09/10/2019: Received biometrics email
16/10/2019: Completed biometric enrolment
20/11/2019: Received email stating my application has been improved!

Email further states that my citizenship certificate will be posted to SA today, so I should receive my ceremony invitation early next year.

More waiting, lol. But getting there.

Thanks so much to everyone who has contributed to this thread!

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Re: New citizenship form UKF

Post by Laura Akpowowo » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:32 am

Good day everyone. This is about the UKF application. I hope u am in the right place. Can anyone advise on what to do if one doesn't have a birth certificate. Father's birth certificate is available though. Thanks for your response.
Laura.

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