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Re: Confirmation regarding No belt course

Post by CULLINAN » Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:54 pm

I think you do not understand. It is the FPN. You just choose to go for an awareness course. Plus, consult a legal advisor if you are in doubt.
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Re: Confirmation regarding No belt course

Post by kgnot » Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:03 pm

She is working Ipswitch as level two immigration adviser.
Ok I will declare it.

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Re: Confirmation regarding No belt course

Post by seagul » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:12 pm

Still declare it to citizenship authorities as advised earlier.
The Seat Belt Awareness Course is designed to educate and explain the importance of wearing a seat belt. The course is offered to drivers and passengers who have been caught not wearing their seat belt where there is no exemption. The course is an alternative to receiving a fixed penalty fine.

https://www.thettcgroup.com/police-cour ... lty%20fine.
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Re: Confirmation regarding No belt course

Post by CULLINAN » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:16 pm

Fixed Penalty Fine is different than receiving a Fixed Penalty Notice. You avoided the fine because you attended the course, but FPN was issued.
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Re: Confirmation regarding No belt course

Post by seagul » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:16 pm

You can safely ignore to tell anyone else (except HO) including car insurance provider which is perfectly legal, and the same should have been mentioned to you at the end of course -if you remember.
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Re: Confirmation regarding No belt course

Post by seagul » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:26 pm

CULLINAN wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:16 pm
Fixed Penalty Fine is different than receiving a Fixed Penalty Notice. You avoided the fine because you attended the course, but FPN was issued.
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Re: Confirmation regarding No belt course

Post by kgnot » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:12 pm

Thank you guys it does make a lot more sence now that you mention that Fixed Penalty Notice is Different then the Fine.
I will declare it and hopefully because it is one it should not convince the HO I have disregard for the law, esp as I am delivering and have the right to not wear belt if next stop is 50 meters away or less.

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No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:19 pm

Beginning of 2017 I have a No insurance Fixed Penalty Notice of 200 pounds after court where I have pledged guilty but successfully defended to get back my points and more then half the original fine. I did not declare it when applying for Settled status because it came under "alternatives to prosecution, for example speeding fines" as far I understand
and on the gov site I read regarding SETTLED status:

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You’ll be asked to declare convictions that appear in your criminal record in the UK or overseas.

You do not need to declare any of the following:

convictions that do not need to be disclosed (‘spent convictions’)
warnings (‘cautions’)
alternatives to prosecution, for example speeding fines
I received the settled status recently so obviously the caseworker agreed with me but do you think I have to explain myself like here in my BN form why I did not declare it back then? (I will declare it now)

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by Zerubbabel » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:22 pm

You don't have to declare it for the Settlement Scheme. So you did the right thing.

The British Citizenship is not an immigration application and has its own rules. Follow these rules without explaining anything.

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by CR001 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:36 pm

@kgnot can you please desist from staring a new topic with every question you!! Read the forum rules!!!

Topics merged again!!

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:40 pm

So everything regarding me should in in one theme, regardless of it is related to the title or not?

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

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kgnot wrote:
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So everything regarding me should in in one theme, regardless of it is related to the title or not?
Yes!
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by CULLINAN » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Not every conviction is a recordable offence and does not form part of one’s criminal record. Due to this it did not affect your ILR application. However, declaring a conviction for British Citizenship is a must.
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:02 pm

Today it decided to search my email lastly before I finish my application statement regarding the parking ticket when I discovered about a an unpaid PCN shenanigans I have forgotten about.

Last year I was using a hired vehicle and then returned it. Apparently I overstayed my red route parking spot by 10 minutes and camera snapped a fine. The human scum that is the company which rents vehicles not only did not inform me about the fine by calling me but just gave away my old address to the TFL. They also charged my company for it which I at the time did not even had the payslip for yet!

So obviously I did not receive the fine but eventually my older tenant gave me the letters. But at this point it was two with a charge certificate for 200 pounds though so after speaking with the TFL we decided to let it go to TEC where I wrote a Witness Statement W9 and had my manager support and sign as my witness that I was not made aware of this fine and also I stated that I changed address and I had not received the fine until later discovered by the older tenant. It was accepted and returned to TFL for reissue and I paid the 65 pounds.
Now in the email it states "thanks for the enquiry bla bla auto-response .."and via the given email I find nothing else. I can try to learn more but at this point my question is as follows:
Is this considered going to court or unpaid fine where court proceedings were done?
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:06 pm

PCN (Parking Charge Notice) does NOT lead to a criminal conviction. PCN can only lead to a civil debt if not settled. But as long you settled the PCN, your fine.

Note: FPN only can lead to a criminal conviction if challenged and upheld against you in court.
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:38 pm

Thanks for his reply. Should I declare it explaining the entire story?
Out of curiosity will the HO be able to see this as a record on TEC or some other site?

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:41 pm

kgnot wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:38 pm
Thanks for his reply. Should I declare it explaining the entire story?
Out of curiosity will the HO be able to see this as a record on TEC or some other site?
TBH I have lost track with your PCN’s and FPN’s! You must declare the FPN’s especially the ones endorsed on your license) or any criminal convictions (non-custodial or custodial etc). If I was you, I would not bother with PCN’s. Choice is yours.
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:29 pm

Then I have to declare the two FPNs

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:36 pm

Sorry once again but questions are raining in my head this weekend. I read this subject here about PCN issued by police:
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How do you recognize a traffic warden from a police officer issuing a PCN? The person who issued the only PCN not snapped by camera in my case was dressed in blue with silver stripes (https://i2-prod.dailypost.co.uk/incomin ... -Powel.jpg).

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:49 pm

A PCN is a penalty for contravention of parking regulations. It can be paid, contested by appeal, or contested by defending a claim for payment under the small claims track of the county court. You won't get a criminal record or points on your licence.
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:03 pm

Ok I understand about the PCN but let me paraphrase it for my future reference when I speak to my colleagues who know even less then me.
How do you recognize a traffic warden from a police officer?

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by CULLINAN » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:01 pm

kgnot wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:03 pm
Ok I understand about the PCN but let me paraphrase it for my future reference when I speak to my colleagues who know even less then me.
How do you recognize a traffic warden from a police officer?
Google it.
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:06 pm

:D I think it was a warden based on first youtube video

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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by seagul » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:39 pm

kgnot wrote:
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How do you recognize a traffic warden from a police officer?
Uniform especially the cap.
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Re: No Insurance FPN No declaration for Settled status question

Post by kgnot » Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:58 pm

The chess caps being the police

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