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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by CR001 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:41 am

samir thakker wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:26 am
Can anyone help me asa per following detail ?? can I eligible for UKM law??

1) Myself Born in 20th December 1974 in India and residing in india.
2) My mother born in Aden having passport of cukc and now she is residing in London as British citizen.
3) my mother applied in 1998 to home office mumbai with their birth certificate and old passport of CUKC and within week they have issued British overseas passport. after that she moved in london in 2001 after my father died and within one year she got full British citizen.
4) My grantparent has the same CUKC passport.

looking to the above can I Apply UKM??

Thanks & Regards,

Samir Thakker
Please keep your questions in your own topic where you have been given extensive advice already.

This topic is for the less complicated and straightforward UKM applications.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by Paul_S » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:30 am

luthersnowak wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:59 pm
luthersnowak wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:43 pm
Well, here goes!!

Eligibility criteria: UKM
Nationality: United States
Applying from: Unites States
Method of application: (Postal) USPS/ParcelForce
Date of application: 09/06/2018
Payment method: Credit card
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25/06/2018
Date money gone off account:
Date of acknowledgement: 28/06/2018
Date of letter requesting biometrics:
Biometrics done:
Date of approval:
Date of ceremony:
Date applied for passports:
Date passports received:
Is anyone waiting for the fee to be debited from their account? I received an acknowledgement email June 28th, but they haven't debited the fees. From reading other's timelines, It usually comes out before the acknowledgement email or very shortly after. Just curious.

Thanks!
I submitted my application just a couple days after yours. Was received 17 June; I had the fee debited 20 June but have received nothing in the way of a confirmation.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by luthersnowak » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:14 pm

Paul_S wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:30 am
luthersnowak wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:59 pm
luthersnowak wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:43 pm
Well, here goes!!

Eligibility criteria: UKM
Nationality: United States
Applying from: Unites States
Method of application: (Postal) USPS/ParcelForce
Date of application: 09/06/2018
Payment method: Credit card
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25/06/2018
Date money gone off account:
Date of acknowledgement: 28/06/2018
Date of letter requesting biometrics:
Biometrics done:
Date of approval:
Date of ceremony:
Date applied for passports:
Date passports received:
Is anyone waiting for the fee to be debited from their account? I received an acknowledgement email June 28th, but they haven't debited the fees. From reading other's timelines, It usually comes out before the acknowledgement email or very shortly after. Just curious.

Thanks!
I submitted my application just a couple days after yours. Was received 17 June; I had the fee debited 20 June but have received nothing in the way of a confirmation.
I went back and reviewed a scanned copy I have of my application, and it appears I may have left the expiration date for my credit card info off of the payment slip. I reviewed it several times, so I could have very well corrected it prior to submitting it, but I don't recall. I wonder if I should submit another payment slip. I would assume I send it with a cover letter including my info, and case number?

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by Paul_S » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:04 pm

luthersnowak wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:14 pm
Paul_S wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:30 am
luthersnowak wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:59 pm
luthersnowak wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:43 pm
Well, here goes!!

Eligibility criteria: UKM
Nationality: United States
Applying from: Unites States
Method of application: (Postal) USPS/ParcelForce
Date of application: 09/06/2018
Payment method: Credit card
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25/06/2018
Date money gone off account:
Date of acknowledgement: 28/06/2018
Date of letter requesting biometrics:
Biometrics done:
Date of approval:
Date of ceremony:
Date applied for passports:
Date passports received:
Is anyone waiting for the fee to be debited from their account? I received an acknowledgement email June 28th, but they haven't debited the fees. From reading other's timelines, It usually comes out before the acknowledgement email or very shortly after. Just curious.

Thanks!
I submitted my application just a couple days after yours. Was received 17 June; I had the fee debited 20 June but have received nothing in the way of a confirmation.
I went back and reviewed a scanned copy I have of my application, and it appears I may have left the expiration date for my credit card info off of the payment slip. I reviewed it several times, so I could have very well corrected it prior to submitting it, but I don't recall. I wonder if I should submit another payment slip. I would assume I send it with a cover letter including my info, and case number?
I would most certainly do that; especially since you have a case number.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by expertcitizen » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:58 pm

balles wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:01 pm
Eligibility criteria: UKM (based on the Romein v Home Secretary decision)
Nationality: South African
Applying from: South Africa (via agent)
Method of application: Courier
Date of application: 21/05/2018
Payment method: Credit card
Date of receipt by UKBA: 23/05/2018
Date money gone off account: 27/06/2018 (it would have been deducted sooner but I had my wallet stolen and had to obviously cancel credit cards and supply new card details to UKVI)
Date of acknowledgement: 06/06/2018

Will keep you updated.
Have you had any update on this yet?

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by luthersnowak » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:53 pm

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I would most certainly do that; especially since you have a case number.
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I’ve sent off a letter and a correct copy of the payment slip. I recall someone saying they were contacted by the Home Office by email requesting the expiration date for a credit card.

I know there is a remedial order making its way through parliament that will do away with the good character requirement for UKM applications. Reading up on it, Amber Rudd (previous Home Secretary) responded to some questions from parliament, indicating any UKM applications that would have been approved other than for “Good Character” issues, would be placed on hold until the legislation had passed. I don’t believe I have any issues related to that, but I find it odd that I received an acknowledgment email but they haven’t deducted the fee or contacted me for corrected information. Maybe I’m being impatient.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by balles » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:44 pm

Paul_s, I received an email from HO UKVINaitioanlityOverseas@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk via my agent advising that my credit card payment had been rejected. I simply responded to the email (which had my case number) advising of my new credit card details including the security code on the back of the card. The money was taken off my card the next day.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by Lisanduk » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:54 am

Hope this is my last query! My approval for citizenship was dated over 6 weeks ago but haven't heard from the Embassy yet. Can they go over the 12 week rule?

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by luthersnowak » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:38 pm

Eligibility criteria: UKM
Nationality: United States
Applying from: Unites States
Method of application: (Postal) USPS/ParcelForce
Date of application: 09/06/2018
Payment method: Credit card
Date of receipt by UKBA: 25/06/2018
Date money gone off account:13/07/2018
Date of acknowledgement: 28/06/2018
Date of letter requesting biometrics:
Biometrics done:
Date of approval:
Date of ceremony:
Date applied for passports:
Date passports received:

They finally took the fee this morning.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by sarlouisesmith » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:42 pm

Lisanduk wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:54 am
Hope this is my last query! My approval for citizenship was dated over 6 weeks ago but haven't heard from the Embassy yet. Can they go over the 12 week rule?
I think you are about ~2 weeks ahead of me and I haven't heard anything yet either. I'm in NY, not sure where you are.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by KZ303 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:40 am

Good evening all, lots of good information on this thread!

I will update as I get further, but I am US citizen born prior to 1983 to a UK-born mother. I am preparing my UKM form for submission, but have a couple of questions:
  • Under the "good character" section, it appears to request records for all moving violations and parking tickets! Has anyone actually bothered getting records for all of that? I mean, state DMV records are easy enough for me to get, but parking tickets for everywhere in the country?! It appears the good character is on the outs anyway as a requirement, but since it's still on the form I'm trying to disclose everything.
  • I have a daughter who will turn one in about ten days. I'd read that UK citizenship through UKM doesn't pass to children, but I'd also seen reference to a recent cupreme court decision that would appear to enable citizenship to pass so long as a child's birth is registered within a year of their birth. (IANAL, especially not a UK one! Still, decision was apparently from March of 2018 and I'll try and locate it)
Now, since I haven't even submitted my form, is there a way for me to register her? I mean, for the sake of argument, if I:
a) attempt to register her tomorrow;
b) submit my UKM the next day;
c) they deny the registration for my daughter the day after;
d) they subsequently approve my UKM application some months form now, would I have any sort of legal leg to stand on to say that I did register, or at least tried to, prior to one year passing from her birth?

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by Shaun45 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm

I have at long last started the process of registering. Most of the time I waited to get all my documentation in place. The South African Home Affairs is notoriously slow and inefficient. I waited more than a year for a vault copy of my birth certificate.

I was born in South Africa in 1972 to a UK born mother, which at the time of my birth was a British citizen. I am a South African citizen and reside in South Africa. I was registered at birth under another name. Shortly after my birth I was adopted by a South African couple and given a different name. I have all the original documentation, including a vault copy of my birth certificate with my original birth name and the name and UK nationality of my birth mother. I have all original adoption documents, court order indicating name change, birth mothers UK birth certificate and passport. I even included my maternal grandparents UK birth and marriage certificates. I also included a cover letter and maternal family tree explaining everything. I am hoping it all goes well with my UKM citizenship application.

I sent off the application and documents on the 26th June. It was received by UKVI on the 28th of June, the money was deducted from my account on the 2nd July and I also received a standard acknowlegement email with a case number on the same day.

I have not received any email regarding my biometrics yet and was wondering why it's taking so long. How long do you usually wait until you receive a biometrics request email?

Anyhow, I thought I'd share my experience so far. Updates to follow.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by balles » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:31 pm

Shaun45 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm

I have not received any email regarding my biometrics yet and was wondering why it's taking so long. How long do you usually wait until you receive a biometrics request email?

Anyhow, I thought I'd share my experience so far. Updates to follow.
Hello Shaun45, I used an agent for my application. UKVI sent them a letter by post for the biometric enrolment which they in turn emailed to me. In SA this process is outsourced to TLSContact (the same guys who manage the visa application for HO), who's service I might add leave a lot to be desired. After sending the required email to them over a week ago, I am yet to receive confirmation of an appointment to go in to have my biometrics registered.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by luthersnowak » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:17 pm

KZ303 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:40 am
Good evening all, lots of good information on this thread!

I will update as I get further, but I am US citizen born prior to 1983 to a UK-born mother. I am preparing my UKM form for submission, but have a couple of questions:
  • Under the "good character" section, it appears to request records for all moving violations and parking tickets! Has anyone actually bothered getting records for all of that? I mean, state DMV records are easy enough for me to get, but parking tickets for everywhere in the country?! It appears the good character is on the outs anyway as a requirement, but since it's still on the form I'm trying to disclose everything.
  • I have a daughter who will turn one in about ten days. I'd read that UK citizenship through UKM doesn't pass to children, but I'd also seen reference to a recent cupreme court decision that would appear to enable citizenship to pass so long as a child's birth is registered within a year of their birth. (IANAL, especially not a UK one! Still, decision was apparently from March of 2018 and I'll try and locate it)
Now, since I haven't even submitted my form, is there a way for me to register her? I mean, for the sake of argument, if I:
a) attempt to register her tomorrow;
b) submit my UKM the next day;
c) they deny the registration for my daughter the day after;
d) they subsequently approve my UKM application some months form now, would I have any sort of legal leg to stand on to say that I did register, or at least tried to, prior to one year passing from her birth?
I believe, someone correct me if I’m wrong, if your mother was born in the UK, and she was a citizen, otherwise than by descent, you don’t have to submit a UKM form. You can just apply for a passport. There is another form for registering minor children. I’m not sure what the process would be since you don’t have a passport. Hopefully someone who can explain it better will chime in.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by CR001 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:19 pm

luthersnowak wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:17 pm
KZ303 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:40 am
Good evening all, lots of good information on this thread!

I will update as I get further, but I am US citizen born prior to 1983 to a UK-born mother. I am preparing my UKM form for submission, but have a couple of questions:
  • Under the "good character" section, it appears to request records for all moving violations and parking tickets! Has anyone actually bothered getting records for all of that? I mean, state DMV records are easy enough for me to get, but parking tickets for everywhere in the country?! It appears the good character is on the outs anyway as a requirement, but since it's still on the form I'm trying to disclose everything.
  • I have a daughter who will turn one in about ten days. I'd read that UK citizenship through UKM doesn't pass to children, but I'd also seen reference to a recent cupreme court decision that would appear to enable citizenship to pass so long as a child's birth is registered within a year of their birth. (IANAL, especially not a UK one! Still, decision was apparently from March of 2018 and I'll try and locate it)
Now, since I haven't even submitted my form, is there a way for me to register her? I mean, for the sake of argument, if I:
a) attempt to register her tomorrow;
b) submit my UKM the next day;
c) they deny the registration for my daughter the day after;
d) they subsequently approve my UKM application some months form now, would I have any sort of legal leg to stand on to say that I did register, or at least tried to, prior to one year passing from her birth?
I believe, someone correct me if I’m wrong, if your mother was born in the UK, and she was a citizen, otherwise than by descent, you don’t have to submit a UKM form. You can just apply for a passport. There is another form for registering minor children. I’m not sure what the process would be since you don’t have a passport. Hopefully someone who can explain it better will chime in.
UKM is the correct form if born BEFORE 1 January 1983 to a British born mother, as the OP has stated.
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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by expertcitizen » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 am

Shaun45 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm
I have at long last started the process of registering. Most of the time I waited to get all my documentation in place. The South African Home Affairs is notoriously slow and inefficient. I waited more than a year for a vault copy of my birth certificate.

I was born in South Africa in 1972 to a UK born mother, which at the time of my birth was a British citizen. I am a South African citizen and reside in South Africa. I was registered at birth under another name. Shortly after my birth I was adopted by a South African couple and given a different name. I have all the original documentation, including a vault copy of my birth certificate with my original birth name and the name and UK nationality of my birth mother. I have all original adoption documents, court order indicating name change, birth mothers UK birth certificate and passport. I even included my maternal grandparents UK birth and marriage certificates. I also included a cover letter and maternal family tree explaining everything. I am hoping it all goes well with my UKM citizenship application.

I sent off the application and documents on the 26th June. It was received by UKVI on the 28th of June, the money was deducted from my account on the 2nd July and I also received a standard acknowlegement email with a case number on the same day.

I have not received any email regarding my biometrics yet and was wondering why it's taking so long. How long do you usually wait until you receive a biometrics request email?

Anyhow, I thought I'd share my experience so far. Updates to follow.
To understand this, you where born to a UK mother and then adopted by a South African (or other nationality couple)? If this is the case, under my understanding, you are not entitled to apply for British Citizenship. The right to citizenship ceased with your adoption. If, however, your adopted parents where British then you would indeed be eligible to apply.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by CR001 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:42 am

expertcitizen wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 am
Shaun45 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm
I have at long last started the process of registering. Most of the time I waited to get all my documentation in place. The South African Home Affairs is notoriously slow and inefficient. I waited more than a year for a vault copy of my birth certificate.

I was born in South Africa in 1972 to a UK born mother, which at the time of my birth was a British citizen. I am a South African citizen and reside in South Africa. I was registered at birth under another name. Shortly after my birth I was adopted by a South African couple and given a different name. I have all the original documentation, including a vault copy of my birth certificate with my original birth name and the name and UK nationality of my birth mother. I have all original adoption documents, court order indicating name change, birth mothers UK birth certificate and passport. I even included my maternal grandparents UK birth and marriage certificates. I also included a cover letter and maternal family tree explaining everything. I am hoping it all goes well with my UKM citizenship application.

I sent off the application and documents on the 26th June. It was received by UKVI on the 28th of June, the money was deducted from my account on the 2nd July and I also received a standard acknowlegement email with a case number on the same day.

I have not received any email regarding my biometrics yet and was wondering why it's taking so long. How long do you usually wait until you receive a biometrics request email?

Anyhow, I thought I'd share my experience so far. Updates to follow.
To understand this, you where born to a UK mother and then adopted by a South African (or other nationality couple)? If this is the case, under my understanding, you are not entitled to apply for British Citizenship. The right to citizenship ceased with your adoption. If, however, your adopted parents where British then you would indeed be eligible to apply.
UKM is not relevant if a persona is adopted abroad by a British born mother as far as I understand. We did this application for my mom while she was in the UK on an Ancestry visa based on her British adoptive mother and HO refused her as her birth/adoption was not register with the British High Commission following the adoption in 1953. It was a very detailed letter received from HO and we submitted substantial evidence with the UKM application.

The most notable point of the refusal was that SA adoptions were not at that time, done under the Hague Convention, which SA only joined in November 2002. OP you are responding to was born/adopted in the early 1970s.

The adoption was however recognised for Ancestry visas (myself and my daughter and separately my mom and dad).
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Post by KZ303 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:48 pm

Eligibility criteria: UKM
Nationality: USA
Applying from: Denver, Colorado
Method of application: FedEx/UPS to UK
Date of application: TBD - Hopefully this week! I'll update the rest once that's done.

Apologies, but I'm not sure I've figured out how to respond inline to threads on this. I am meeting my referees (two licensed attorneys) this week, and hope to submit the UKM form thereafter. (I think my last one may have been too long anyway...)
1) Has anyone actually gone in and found all of their parking tickets to report under the good character section? Is that really necessary? (I'm not sure I'd actually be able to, not because of volume, but because who can recall every municipality over several decades?)
2) For the tax portion, do I need to register in any way with UK? I've only lived there as a small (US citizen) child and have never earned money there.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by Shaun45 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:10 am

CR001 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:42 am
expertcitizen wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 am
Shaun45 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm
I have at long last started the process of registering. Most of the time I waited to get all my documentation in place. The South African Home Affairs is notoriously slow and inefficient. I waited more than a year for a vault copy of my birth certificate.

I was born in South Africa in 1972 to a UK born mother, which at the time of my birth was a British citizen. I am a South African citizen and reside in South Africa. I was registered at birth under another name. Shortly after my birth I was adopted by a South African couple and given a different name. I have all the original documentation, including a vault copy of my birth certificate with my original birth name and the name and UK nationality of my birth mother. I have all original adoption documents, court order indicating name change, birth mothers UK birth certificate and passport. I even included my maternal grandparents UK birth and marriage certificates. I also included a cover letter and maternal family tree explaining everything. I am hoping it all goes well with my UKM citizenship application.

I sent off the application and documents on the 26th June. It was received by UKVI on the 28th of June, the money was deducted from my account on the 2nd July and I also received a standard acknowlegement email with a case number on the same day.

I have not received any email regarding my biometrics yet and was wondering why it's taking so long. How long do you usually wait until you receive a biometrics request email?

Anyhow, I thought I'd share my experience so far. Updates to follow.
To understand this, you where born to a UK mother and then adopted by a South African (or other nationality couple)? If this is the case, under my understanding, you are not entitled to apply for British Citizenship. The right to citizenship ceased with your adoption. If, however, your adopted parents where British then you would indeed be eligible to apply.
UKM is not relevant if a persona is adopted abroad by a British born mother as far as I understand. We did this application for my mom while she was in the UK on an Ancestry visa based on her British adoptive mother and HO refused her as her birth/adoption was not register with the British High Commission following the adoption in 1953. It was a very detailed letter received from HO and we submitted substantial evidence with the UKM application.

The most notable point of the refusal was that SA adoptions were not at that time, done under the Hague Convention, which SA only joined in November 2002. OP you are responding to was born/adopted in the early 1970s.

The adoption was however recognised for Ancestry visas (myself and my daughter and separately my mom and dad).
This is rather disconcerting. My understanding is that there is a clear bloodline to my claim to citizenship. Clear evidence has been provided with my application. My South African born adoptive parents are irrelevant in this application, but evidence was provided to show the name change at birth. Surely I can't be discriminated against just because my UK born mother gave me up for adoption due to circumstances beyond her control at the time when I was a six week old infant?

I was born to a British born mother in South Africa. My birth mother is still a British citizen and resides as a resident in South Africa. I have not seen anything on the contrary in the guidance notes. On the application there a place to fill in if your name changed. They use "adoption" as an example for a name change. As mentioned, evidence has been provided and was explained in the cover letter.

I am still hopeful it will go well.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by CR001 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:29 am

Shaun45 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:10 am
CR001 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:42 am
expertcitizen wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 am
Shaun45 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm
I have at long last started the process of registering. Most of the time I waited to get all my documentation in place. The South African Home Affairs is notoriously slow and inefficient. I waited more than a year for a vault copy of my birth certificate.

I was born in South Africa in 1972 to a UK born mother, which at the time of my birth was a British citizen. I am a South African citizen and reside in South Africa. I was registered at birth under another name. Shortly after my birth I was adopted by a South African couple and given a different name. I have all the original documentation, including a vault copy of my birth certificate with my original birth name and the name and UK nationality of my birth mother. I have all original adoption documents, court order indicating name change, birth mothers UK birth certificate and passport. I even included my maternal grandparents UK birth and marriage certificates. I also included a cover letter and maternal family tree explaining everything. I am hoping it all goes well with my UKM citizenship application.

I sent off the application and documents on the 26th June. It was received by UKVI on the 28th of June, the money was deducted from my account on the 2nd July and I also received a standard acknowlegement email with a case number on the same day.

I have not received any email regarding my biometrics yet and was wondering why it's taking so long. How long do you usually wait until you receive a biometrics request email?

Anyhow, I thought I'd share my experience so far. Updates to follow.
To understand this, you where born to a UK mother and then adopted by a South African (or other nationality couple)? If this is the case, under my understanding, you are not entitled to apply for British Citizenship. The right to citizenship ceased with your adoption. If, however, your adopted parents where British then you would indeed be eligible to apply.
UKM is not relevant if a persona is adopted abroad by a British born mother as far as I understand. We did this application for my mom while she was in the UK on an Ancestry visa based on her British adoptive mother and HO refused her as her birth/adoption was not register with the British High Commission following the adoption in 1953. It was a very detailed letter received from HO and we submitted substantial evidence with the UKM application.

The most notable point of the refusal was that SA adoptions were not at that time, done under the Hague Convention, which SA only joined in November 2002. OP you are responding to was born/adopted in the early 1970s.

The adoption was however recognised for Ancestry visas (myself and my daughter and separately my mom and dad).
This is rather disconcerting. My understanding is that there is a clear bloodline to my claim to citizenship. Clear evidence has been provided with my application. My South African born adoptive parents are irrelevant in this application, but evidence was provided to show the name change at birth. Surely I can't be discriminated against just because my UK born mother gave me up for adoption due to circumstances beyond her control at the time when I was a six week old infant?

I was born to a British born mother in South Africa. My birth mother is still a British citizen and resides as a resident in South Africa. I have not seen anything on the contrary in the guidance notes. On the application there a place to fill in if your name changed. They use "adoption" as an example for a name change. As mentioned, evidence has been provided and was explained in the cover letter.

I am still hopeful it will go well.
My post was not referring g to your birth to BC mother but to myom born to a SA mother and adopted by a BC mother.

Am sure your app will be fine.
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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by Shaun45 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:40 am

CR001 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:29 am
Shaun45 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:10 am
CR001 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:42 am
expertcitizen wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 am


To understand this, you where born to a UK mother and then adopted by a South African (or other nationality couple)? If this is the case, under my understanding, you are not entitled to apply for British Citizenship. The right to citizenship ceased with your adoption. If, however, your adopted parents where British then you would indeed be eligible to apply.
UKM is not relevant if a persona is adopted abroad by a British born mother as far as I understand. We did this application for my mom while she was in the UK on an Ancestry visa based on her British adoptive mother and HO refused her as her birth/adoption was not register with the British High Commission following the adoption in 1953. It was a very detailed letter received from HO and we submitted substantial evidence with the UKM application.

The most notable point of the refusal was that SA adoptions were not at that time, done under the Hague Convention, which SA only joined in November 2002. OP you are responding to was born/adopted in the early 1970s.

The adoption was however recognised for Ancestry visas (myself and my daughter and separately my mom and dad).
This is rather disconcerting. My understanding is that there is a clear bloodline to my claim to citizenship. Clear evidence has been provided with my application. My South African born adoptive parents are irrelevant in this application, but evidence was provided to show the name change at birth. Surely I can't be discriminated against just because my UK born mother gave me up for adoption due to circumstances beyond her control at the time when I was a six week old infant?

I was born to a British born mother in South Africa. My birth mother is still a British citizen and resides as a resident in South Africa. I have not seen anything on the contrary in the guidance notes. On the application there a place to fill in if your name changed. They use "adoption" as an example for a name change. As mentioned, evidence has been provided and was explained in the cover letter.

I am still hopeful it will go well.
My post was not referring g to your birth to BC mother but to myom born to a SA mother and adopted by a BC mother.

Am sure your app will be fine.
@ CR001...

Apologies. The comment was not in response to your post. I'm still hopeful and positive it all goes well with my UKM citizenship application.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by a_powers » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:10 am

KZ303 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:48 pm
Eligibility criteria: UKM
Nationality: USA
Applying from: Denver, Colorado
Method of application: FedEx/UPS to UK
Date of application: TBD - Hopefully this week! I'll update the rest once that's done.

Apologies, but I'm not sure I've figured out how to respond inline to threads on this. I am meeting my referees (two licensed attorneys) this week, and hope to submit the UKM form thereafter. (I think my last one may have been too long anyway...)
1) Has anyone actually gone in and found all of their parking tickets to report under the good character section? Is that really necessary? (I'm not sure I'd actually be able to, not because of volume, but because who can recall every municipality over several decades?)
2) For the tax portion, do I need to register in any way with UK? I've only lived there as a small (US citizen) child and have never earned money there.
You don't need to register with UK tax in any way. UK tax is based on residency, not citizenship.

Not sure about parking tickets. I do know the good character requirement is on the way out, but I don't know when exactly. The court has already ruled it is discriminatory.

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by KZ303 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:33 pm

a_powers wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:10 am
KZ303 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:48 pm
Eligibility criteria: UKM
Nationality: USA
Applying from: Denver, Colorado
Method of application: FedEx/UPS to UK
Date of application: TBD - Hopefully this week! I'll update the rest once that's done.

Apologies, but I'm not sure I've figured out how to respond inline to threads on this. I am meeting my referees (two licensed attorneys) this week, and hope to submit the UKM form thereafter. (I think my last one may have been too long anyway...)
1) Has anyone actually gone in and found all of their parking tickets to report under the good character section? Is that really necessary? (I'm not sure I'd actually be able to, not because of volume, but because who can recall every municipality over several decades?)
2) For the tax portion, do I need to register in any way with UK? I've only lived there as a small (US citizen) child and have never earned money there.
You don't need to register with UK tax in any way. UK tax is based on residency, not citizenship.

Not sure about parking tickets. I do know the good character requirement is on the way out, but I don't know when exactly. The court has already ruled it is discriminatory.
Awesome, thanks! The wording on the reporting requirement is somewhat confusing. On the one hand it says they are not a part of the criminal record, but on the other they will consider them if there's some sort of pattern:
"We will carry out criminal record checks on all applicants. You must give details of all criminal
convictions. This includes road traffic offences (including all drink-driving offences). Fixed Penalty
Notices (such as speeding or parking tickets) do not form part of a person’s criminal record and will
not be considered in the caseworker’s assessment of character unless:
• the person has failed to pay and there were criminal proceedings as a result; or
• the person has received numerous fixed penalty notices.[emphasis added]"
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... r_2015.pdf

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by expertcitizen » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:14 pm

Shaun45 wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:10 am
CR001 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:42 am
expertcitizen wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 am
Shaun45 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:07 pm
I have at long last started the process of registering. Most of the time I waited to get all my documentation in place. The South African Home Affairs is notoriously slow and inefficient. I waited more than a year for a vault copy of my birth certificate.

I was born in South Africa in 1972 to a UK born mother, which at the time of my birth was a British citizen. I am a South African citizen and reside in South Africa. I was registered at birth under another name. Shortly after my birth I was adopted by a South African couple and given a different name. I have all the original documentation, including a vault copy of my birth certificate with my original birth name and the name and UK nationality of my birth mother. I have all original adoption documents, court order indicating name change, birth mothers UK birth certificate and passport. I even included my maternal grandparents UK birth and marriage certificates. I also included a cover letter and maternal family tree explaining everything. I am hoping it all goes well with my UKM citizenship application.

I sent off the application and documents on the 26th June. It was received by UKVI on the 28th of June, the money was deducted from my account on the 2nd July and I also received a standard acknowlegement email with a case number on the same day.

I have not received any email regarding my biometrics yet and was wondering why it's taking so long. How long do you usually wait until you receive a biometrics request email?

Anyhow, I thought I'd share my experience so far. Updates to follow.
To understand this, you where born to a UK mother and then adopted by a South African (or other nationality couple)? If this is the case, under my understanding, you are not entitled to apply for British Citizenship. The right to citizenship ceased with your adoption. If, however, your adopted parents where British then you would indeed be eligible to apply.
UKM is not relevant if a persona is adopted abroad by a British born mother as far as I understand. We did this application for my mom while she was in the UK on an Ancestry visa based on her British adoptive mother and HO refused her as her birth/adoption was not register with the British High Commission following the adoption in 1953. It was a very detailed letter received from HO and we submitted substantial evidence with the UKM application.

The most notable point of the refusal was that SA adoptions were not at that time, done under the Hague Convention, which SA only joined in November 2002. OP you are responding to was born/adopted in the early 1970s.

The adoption was however recognised for Ancestry visas (myself and my daughter and separately my mom and dad).
This is rather disconcerting. My understanding is that there is a clear bloodline to my claim to citizenship. Clear evidence has been provided with my application. My South African born adoptive parents are irrelevant in this application, but evidence was provided to show the name change at birth. Surely I can't be discriminated against just because my UK born mother gave me up for adoption due to circumstances beyond her control at the time when I was a six week old infant?

I was born to a British born mother in South Africa. My birth mother is still a British citizen and resides as a resident in South Africa. I have not seen anything on the contrary in the guidance notes. On the application there a place to fill in if your name changed. They use "adoption" as an example for a name change. As mentioned, evidence has been provided and was explained in the cover letter.

I am still hopeful it will go well.
My Understanding is on adoption all parental responsibility as well as citizenship privalidges have been passed to the adoptive parents. If the child was adopted by British parents then the child will indeed be eligible for citizenship (dependent of where born) BUT the relevance of birth parents is neither here nor there. Their was a case a few years ago on this and a challenge and the argument was based on a number of children do not actually know who their birth parents where and places them at a disadvantage. My understanding is if the child was fostered then the birth parental citizenship can be used for an application. However, that same judgement did make provision for grandchildren to seek the usual 5 year ancestry visa which made a bit of a mockery and the intention was to clarify the law on this later (it never happened).

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Re: UKM application experience and timeline

Post by tips » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:27 pm

Expertcitizen is indeed correct. This case was a while, it was a British woman who had a child out of wedlock with an Indian national and then the child was adopted by an Indian family. The child found out that he had a British birth mother and applied for citizenship based on her nationality. It was refused on the grounds that the mother had given up all claims (including citizenship) on the child at the point of adoption. The case rambled on about parents not understanding the ramifications of adoption etc etc but they did give him the ability to claim an ancestral visa based on his grandparents!! It was a bit of a dogs breakfast of a decision and maybe it has since been repealed but it was a strange scenario.

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